Bad Guy Charles Williams (tiyellowhead) ignorance still exists

This may be an over reaction, but I'll leave it to your own decision. Charles williams made me a trade offer on a 1.1 pair of '08 Sunfire Tiger retics that I have advertised for $1,000.00 Shipped, which is reasonable seeing that other well know fella's had '09s for aorund $750.00... After a few days of emailing back and forth he finally responded with his last email (located at top of string):

From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Charles Williams" <[email protected]>Add sender to Contacts
To: "chris murray" <[email protected]>
Go to kingsnake and look at Bill Beaveins ad. 09 sun tigers,249.00,supsun 795.00. You could not replace this sula for either price, especially if import laws come down. No thanks

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, chris murray <[email protected]> wrote:

From: chris murray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: WEEKEND SALE ONLY: Gorgeous 1.1 '08 Sunfire Tiger Retics
To: "Charles Williams" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:01 PM

Charles,
Still awaiting your reply. Seeing that market price for Suntigers is around $750-800 for a single animal, I would take the male sula and the gtp for my 1.1 '08 Suntiger retics. Let me know if you are still interested.

-Chris Murray

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, Charles Williams <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Charles Williams <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: WEEKEND SALE ONLY: Gorgeous 1.1 '08 Sunfire Tiger Retics
To: "Chris Murray" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 2:48 PM

What did you have in mind? The male sula price is firm. I've bree and imported serveral and never had one with his pattern. I also have a lot on time with him.

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, Chris Murray <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Chris Murray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: WEEKEND SALE ONLY: Gorgeous 1.1 '08 Sunfire Tiger Retics
To: "Charles Williams" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 1:25 PM

Charles,
Just checking back in to see if you recieved my last email. Let me know if you would still like to try and work something out with these suntigers. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
-Chris Murray
256-509-0571
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On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Charles Williams <[email protected]> wrote:

I do have a very tame gtp male you can take off limb etc,he is around 13months. Also have lav tigers,g-stripes. Look at my ad on faunaclassifieds.com under tiyellowhd.

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Chris Murray <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Chris Murray <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: WEEKEND SALE ONLY: Gorgeous 1.1 '08 Sunfire Tiger Retics
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 4:26 PM

Trade-wise what I'm really looking for are gtp's but what did you have in mind?

Best regards,
-Chris Murray
256-509-0571
CMREPTILES

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On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:

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Are you looking for any retic trades?

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So First off, one guy coming along (no offense to whoever posted the animals) and selling animals (of which he doesn't have pics of in his ad) for a fraction of their worth is undercutting the market. Secondly, HE MADE ME THE TRADE OFFER! So I find it quite rude and unpleasant for someone to come along with an offer, then try to undercut your animals in a rude manner. Like I said, I may be over-exaggerating.. But regardless, and after just recently reading reviews from others on Charles, I would never to business with him anyway. His animals look fantastic, but his rudeness, ignorance, and long drug out response time, are more hassle then I would want to deal with for the best looking animals out there. Anyway, that's my experience and opinion, do with it what you want...

-Chris Murray

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Charles, the only thing that aggravated me was the fact that you were pointing out an ad which had nothing to do with our potential deal in a way that undercut my animals. You could have just said a simple "No thanks, I'm not interested." You just came off as rude. And on the topic of the gtp, I asked for pics multiple times and you never responded about it. Anyway, after reading other reviews about you this morning, I would have declined the deal regardless. Good Luck.

As far as the offer went, I'll go ahead and post it. My asking price (this being a weekend sale price) was $1,000.00 on my 1.1 suntigers, Your asking price on your sula was $850.00. My offer to him was my 1.1 '08 suntiger retics, for his Male sulawesi retic and a gtp (of which he did not send me any info on after asking multiple times). As far as market prices go, I would have been taking a loss if anyway if you had ACCEPTED (you should proof read your posts) my offer.

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Good guy bad

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I wasn't questioning the quality of your animal, they all look fantastic. I stated what my problem was, you came off as undercutting my animals and quite rude to boot. I posted the emails, and to others I may be over exaggerating. Like I said, I've posted what my problem was and am done with it. Good luck Dave (or Charles, whichever name you go by) and I am done responding to this thread.

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