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RedDevil
05-01-2004, 10:46 PM
Whatever happened to them? I seen a few pics a long time ago, but have never seen them for sale.

Just wondering who has them, and if they are going to be bred.

odatria
05-02-2004, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by RedDevil
Whatever happened to them? I seen a few pics a long time ago, but have never seen them for sale.

Just wondering who has them, and if they are going to be bred.

They were all confiscated as far as I know. In the hands of officials, suffice it to say they will NOT breed.

evansnakes
05-02-2004, 06:44 PM
Yep. 3 people had them. They were all seized by the federal government from those 3 people. I am unsure if any on those folks still were able to keep hets but it is kind of irrelevant since any leucistics from that bloodline will be illegal as well.

Wilomn
05-02-2004, 10:20 PM
Ok, I must have been brumating when this happened.

Is there someplace where I can get the details or could someone email me the what happened part of this.

I never even heard that there were any.

thanks,
Wes

evansnakes
05-03-2004, 01:05 AM
a couple years ago a guy sold some baby leucistic western hognose that he produced to a couple big name guys in the biz. Last year under the big Ohio based multi jurisdictional sting that fish and wildlife conducted, the guy was arrested and his animals were seized as well as the animals that he sold to the two people under the explanation that the origional animal was illegally taken from the wild and therefore any offspring of that animal were illegal as well.

RedDevil
05-03-2004, 03:34 PM
Thats a shame. Hopefully another will come up someplace where it is legal.

Heres a link to the picture. http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.pl?photo=20603

cebowa
05-26-2004, 05:23 PM
Iím missing something here.

The snakes were confiscated and so what then?
- They kill them? (This would not be looking out for the best interest of the wildlife, what kind of system would it be.)
- They release them back in the wild? (Once again, not a best practice and especially for those that would stand out and be killed right away like this gorgeous Leucistic Western Hognoseís (LWH).)
- They auction them off to help fund farther protection? (This sounds like a good idea.)

I am curious to know what happens to these animals. We need to protect them, not just the LWH but all reptiles. This is a free country, we need to start working as a team to reverse laws written by the unknowing and those with a dislike for reptiles.

RedDevil
05-26-2004, 05:27 PM
I was wondering that, myself. I figured that they would be given to a zoo or something. Don't know what they did with them though.

Hognose_311
07-08-2004, 06:45 PM
What evan said sounds about right.:D

RedDevil
07-08-2004, 09:59 PM
Yup, that is what happened. I was just curious as to what they did with them once they where taken.

*EDIT*
And does anyone know who purchased the Leucistic Eastern that was on the KS classifieds on the 4th of July? I was going to make an offer, but something happened to my computer, and I had to get a new HD. After I fixed it the ad was gone.

evansnakes
07-09-2004, 02:45 AM
The animals can't be released, sold or given to a private party, zoos do not have interest in mutations nearly without exception and the fact that there is still the possiblity of the government prosecuting people over seized animals means that they need to be kept as evidence. Usually the animals are kept by fish and wildlife in a quarantined area where they are maintained until needed. Sometimes the animals are kept behind the scenes at a zoo for maintenance but the government has to maintain control of the animals until any court proceedings are finished. In regards to these specific animals, the federal government has been threatening for about a year now but still has yet to charge the 2 breeders the seized the animals from. Sometimes they destroy animals that have been seized if they know they are not going to prosecute as the owner of the animal really has no recourse.

To the person that made the statement about this being a free country and that we should do something about this, welcome to the post 9-11 Republican administration. Regardless of your politics, if you like freedoms of any kind and if you believe in the history and reasons for the foundation of this nation, this climate of chiseling away our rights should make you angry. We are much less of a free society today than we have been in a very very long time. So go do something about it if it bothers you. I hope it bothers you. Evan Stahl