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What snake did i see? Please Major Help Needed.

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Alright, first thing is first. Im only 14 years old. But my uncle and gramps taught me how to catch snakes when i was 8. I was over at my gramps place, going to a pond near by (you would think there would be alot of animals there). There were alot of toads, but that was about it *i do see deer every now and then, and theres a fox den near by, ive never seen a fox over here though*. So as im walking back to the house, i decide to try my luck on a trail throught the wilderness. I see a snake, dark brown with bloches on its neck, that turn into bands further down its back. I call my mother because i think its dead *it was in a akward position*. I thought she would know because she was raised there. As she is coming, i see its tounge flicking, my brothers rush up to the snake like its a common garter. I push them back, find a stick to try and pick it up *a forked stick, but i couldnt find one nearby*. I wanted it to strike at me to see if i could see any fangs, but after the snake went into a bush, i remember seing round pupils. When i got the stick, touched it, then it moved into a bush, my mother told me to grab its tail. Me being a smartass, i say "Oh yes, im going to reach my hand into a bush to grab the tail of a possible poisonous snake with me seeing his head". So the snake got away, and ive been wondering what it was. I goto my gramps place about 1nce a week. I find garters, worm snakes, and rat snakes. But nothing like that snake. The snake was about 2 ft, it looked like a hognose, but the thing i noticed about it was it didnt have a hoglike nose. But it did flatten his head out which made me suspect a hognose. I also have it on video, but i dont know if i can get it on the comp. It looked alot like this hognose snake.
http://www.esb.utexas.edu/philjs/stengl/images/hognose.jpg
But as i said, it didnt have the nose of a hognose.
 
Where does your gramps live? Location will help rule out some snakes...

And it was smart of you to not grab the tail, as it was possibly a venomous...
 
Oklahoma, i forget which city. I knew i was forgetting something in that post. I tried to study all the snakes native in oklahoma by this one website, but on some snakes it doesnt show anything but thier name. I also have a book that close to 1000 pages of reptiles. Im having a hard time reading it, just because it uses the latin name of the reptiles more than its english name.
 
could it be

I am not an expert, but it sounds as if you may have seen a banded water snake(nerodia). They are fairly common and are also about the same size, color. They arent poisonious, but they are sometimes wickedly mean and carry a host of bacteria in their bite. But I have been wrong before.
 
Thats odd, because ive never really seen one of those around here. The only thing that has been here that could be mistaken for a water snake would be a water moccasin. But i distincly remember spots on its neck that look exactly like the one in that website i gave.

EDIT: Also, its belly whats white, just incase that helps. It does sometimes, im not sure about now.
 
If you've been catching snakes since you were 8 then you would have known what it was. it was a Southern Hognose, just like you described it, I breed southern Hogs, and the last thing the do before playing dead is fan out their necks, so all you did was let it get away, thats why it didnt do anything. It had probably just came along a fox(like you said) before you got there, so it played dead, then you came along and scared it away.

"Nothing But Toads" is what you said, HOGNOSE....duh...:(
 
It sounds like a gopher/bull snake to me. They behave like that too. The physical description seems to fit, with the pattern changing from blotches to bands. Check here:

http://oksnakes.org/snakes/bullsnake.htm

Bullsnake:
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Hope this helps!

Stephanie


----Hognose_311, if you breed southern hognoses, you might know that they don't live in Oklahoma...Duh...----
 
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