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can i house panthers or veiled babys outside? my temps are like 85-90 day and 75-80 night. can they get rain? i can make the cage so it dont take too much rain. like making the top half solid and half screen.?

please anwere.
those temps are not in a cage with plants and constant misting. so it will never get to 90 inside.
 
Hi Alejandro, those are nice temps for housing chameleons outside! Rain will be good for them too, so I wouldn't build a solid top. :)
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Mirty
 
whoohoo. thx for the answere.

now the othere think.

should i buy a male veiled and a female? if i buy those it will be on oct 29.
or should i wait until the panthers get biggers and buy them in 1-2 month?
 
Hi Alejandro,

I'm not sure I understand your question. Whatever sex you decide on, you will have to house every cham separately as chams do not like nor need company. If you plan on breeding in the future, then get a male and a female, but remember to house them separately.

I would not recommend getting a baby cham who is younger than 3 months, if that is what you're asking. ;)

Bye,
Mirty
 
the guys who is selling me the veiled right now have them for sell. and the guys who is selling the panther need to wait like 2 month so the chams are bigger and he can sell them.
i have like 2 cage right now 1. 48'-28'-28 and the onthere 34-18-18. i am building anothere big cage right now . the think is that i dont know wich specie to buy. ii already have experience with veileds. but i always wanted a panther and when is time for selling the babys. they cost more $ than a veiled.
 
alejandro said:
the guys who is selling me the veiled right now have them for sell. and the guys who is selling the panther need to wait like 2 month so the chams are bigger and he can sell them.
i have like 2 cage right now 1. 48'-28'-28 and the onthere 34-18-18. i am building anothere big cage right now . the think is that i dont know wich specie to buy. ii already have experience with veileds. but i always wanted a panther and when is time for selling the babys. they cost more $ than a veiled.
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OK if this is a profit only decision Im not sure how to answer there are alot of factors on that

Veileds lay more eggs than panthers even thought the panthers sellf or less so that depends on your female veiled, some lay 45-50 while one of mine laid 69 Agust 1st and will lay close to or more than that amount very soon if not within the next few days

Panthers incubation is a little more difficult needing dispause

If you are thinking of profits you need to see which one you feel more comfortable incubating and amount of eggs laid and how often

go to adcham.com they have more specifics on clutch size and incubation than I can being to post without taking up an entire page
 
codyremmyloo said:


Veileds lay more eggs than panthers even thought the panthers sellf or less so that depends on your female veiled,
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TYPO sorry, panthers sell for more but lay smaller clutches

Veilds may sell for less but incubation is easier and larger clutches from veileds
 
so wich specie you recomend me? this would be my first time breeding. i can easyle find veileds in puerto rico. i can get the panthers but they are super rare since they cost alot more.
should i buy the veileds then?
 
alejandro said:
so wich specie you recomend me? this would be my first time breeding. i can easyle find veileds in puerto rico. i can get the panthers but they are super rare since they cost alot more.
should i buy the veileds then?
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Well I had panthers, Tamataves, they mature slower so they must be older to mate and they have less eggs

Veileds mate after 6 months of age and haev more eggs

Its up to you, I LOVE panthers and I hated to sell them but I need a species that would produce more at a younger age
 
First of all veileds should NOT be bred at 6 months of age. It's far too taxing on the females to produce eggs at that age. There is alot of published information out there on this topic on www.adcham and www.chameleonnews.com. Second, if you are thinking about making money raising chameleons you may want to think about getting leopard geckos or bearded dragons. Chameleons, in the best case are a break even animal at best. In most cases you will spend far more money than you will ever make. Here's a good article on the business of breeding chams. http://www.chameleonnews.com/year2003/july2003/costs/costs.html
 
actually i not want to breed them to just get mony. i dont mind about the mony.
and i will not need to spend mony on uvb bulb or heat bulbs because i will house them outside. the cages will cost me like 5$ a cage like 18-18-30 cuz i am making them. the only thing is the mony for the crickets. and i am starting to breed them. and for the supliments.
 
breeding experience = veileds

If you wnat a 'pet' I'd go for the panther. If you wnat to break into breeding go for the veileds. Cheaper and easier to buy/breed use veields to gain some experience etc then move into panthers possibly. Plus if panthers are pretty rare there it will be harder to get good unrelated bloodlines. Veields should give you more ease in this area.

I plan to breed Veields in 3-4 months myself. Not for profit. At the best my plan is to break even on credit with my local pet store and offer a few as gifts to the right people (nephew, etc.)
 
i can order the panthers for 300 but the guys dont tell me the morph and i cant know if they are healthy
i need to give him 50% of the total price so he order then i give him the othere 50%. othere guys have a petshop so i can see them. if the petshop get them soon i buy the panthers. and would like the panther better since i always wanted to get one.
i will not breed them until they get 1 year old.
and that way i can get used to take caree of the panthers. i just have experience with veiled until a stupid guys stole all my 2 chams
 
alejandro said:
i can order the panthers for 300 but the guys dont tell me the morph and i cant know if they are healthy
i need to give him 50% of the total price so he order then i give him the othere 50%. othere guys have a petshop so i can see them. if the petshop get them soon i buy the panthers. and would like the panther better since i always wanted to get one.
i will not breed them until they get 1 year old.
and that way i can get used to take caree of the panthers. i just have experience with veiled until a stupid guys stole all my 2 chams
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Some male panthers do not mate until over a year some 14 or more months old, mine wew cloes to a year old when I sold them and the female was showing breeding signs while the male showed no signs of being ready anytime soon.

If you do not care about breeding, Id for sure get a nice pair of panthers and jsut let it happens as it happens, but not from someone who cannot provide pics etc
 
the thing is that chams and any othere reptile is ilegal in puerto rico so i get my animals from exporters is very rare that a petshop have panthers. right now a petshop that i know is waiting to get panthers but he say that they were only 2" long i dont know if that head to vent or all the body.
 
alejandro said:
the thing is that chams and any othere reptile is ilegal in puerto rico so i get my animals from exporters is very rare that a petshop have panthers. right now a petshop that i know is waiting to get panthers but he say that they were only 2" long i dont know if that head to vent or all the body.
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If they are illegal Im not sure what to tell you, I want a dwarf caimen really really bad and have for a long time but they are illegal in my state so I do not own one.

As for the 2" Id only have to guess that is snout to vent since they are more than 2" total length at birth.
 
yeah that is what i thought.

i will call the tomorow to see if they have them.

i already have a big cage for the male. 2-2-4. and a mid one for the female but i want to make anothere big one.
the othere cage is 16-16-35
 
alejandro, there's a reason why Chameleons are Illegal in Puerto Rico!
And it probably because the climate will support them there if they were to escape or be released! I would check about the penalties that you will incur if you are caught! I know that Hawaii has huge $ penaltys and I'm sure jail time if your caught with Veiled chameleons. I just think you should check into it before you possibly make the wrong decision.

Added; Persons possessing illegal animals, such as reptiles and snakes, are subject to stiff penalties, including fines of up to $200,000 and up to three years in jail.
 
This thread has taken a few twists .... but a word of caution on your original concern about baby chams outside. Be forewarned that birds such as blue jays, mockingbirds, etc, will take to swooping to the top of the cage where babat chams may be hanging inverted, even on fine-mesh aluminum screen, and eating at the toes and feet, where they can pull them through, of very young chameleons. Easy to overcome by putting a beak-proof barrier (like chicken wire) a couple inches above the actual screen cage. Good luck.

Jim Flaherty
The Chameleon Company
 
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