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Coastal vs Whitewater Rosys

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Is there a way to tell Coastal Rosys from Whitewater Rosy's? Either visually or any other way? I was sold 2 Rosys online as Coastals but I've been told neither is a Coastal and one is a Whitewater.
 
Post pics and I'll give you MY, and I'm NO expert, opinion on them. I've had both and seen both.

These pics are of a whitewater boa that I personally found on whitewater road. I don't have any coastal pics but you might check Steve Osborne's site. I think he's breeding coastals too.
 

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I can already tell the one I was told was a Whitewater is a Whitewater. They do look a lot alike though. I'll try and post some pics.
 
Do you know what would differentiate a whitewater from a coastal? I've got three borregos now, but I have no idea what distinguishes a borrego. I've seen a lot of pictures of the various locals and there seems to be a lot of variation, even within the same local. Is there anything concrete you can home in on?
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I've seen whitewater rosys in stores,price lists,and one on that road and every one has had the coastal coleration with somewhat strait jaged lines not at all like the one that guy has a picture of that he sais he caught out there. The picture he has is what a coastal looks like with that brocken looking back stripe and some spotting inbetween the main stripes. The borregos are coastals with the reduction of the orange stripes.
 
ross, what, exactly, is your experiance with rosy boas? Have you kept, bred, collected, studied them for any length of time?

"that guy" did collect that snake on that road. "that guy" has been doing this for quite a while. "that guy" is wondering just what you really know.
 
If someone had asked me what subspecies Wes's Rosy is, I would have most likely guessed a Coastal from his pics. Part of the problem is very simple. Whitewater pass sits right smack in the middle of the intergrade zone between the Coastal and desert Rosies and the Rosy Boas that are found there are known to have huge variation in both color and pattern as a direct result of this. Some are dead ringers for Coastals (as witnessed in Wes's Boa), while there are others that are dead ringers for desert Rosy Boas as the other "otherguy" has seen in his experience. Still others are intermittent in appearance between the two subspecies. There is a lot of variation to that local, and that is one local that has no real distinctive look. One way to tell a true whitewater is to collect it there as Wes did.
 
If you had to guess, does this look more like a Coastal or Whitewater?
 

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It could be a Hemet local Coastal, or even another. It could also be a Whitewater. It is really hard to say. Can you post a pic that shows the side a little better. Whitewaters will often have very fine dark edging between the pink and the blue-grey, and this is most obvious on their sides. This can be seen best in Wilomn's 3rd pic that he posted.

Again Whitewaters sometimes look very much like Coastals, and other times just like Deserts. Whitewaters are thought to be intergrades between the two subspecies since their range is found in the center of what would be the intergrade zone between the two different subspecies. So when you say Whitewater or Coastal from the pic, I would remind you that it could look very much like both and it actually does.

Either way it is literally impossible to tell exactly what you have for sure without specific and complete history that would need to trace back to the original Wild collected stock that from which it came. Anyway, from that one pic, I am leaning toward the Hemet Coastal, but that is just a hunch, and not at all definite. That being said it is a really nice Rosy!
 
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It could be a Hemet local Coastal, or even another. It could also be a Whitewater. It is really hard to say. Can you post a pic that shows the side a little better. Whitewaters will often have very fine dark edging between the pink and the blue-grey, and this is most obvious on their sides. This can be seen best in Wilomn's 3rd pic that he posted.

Again Whitewaters sometimes look very much like Coastals, and other times just like Deserts. Whitewaters are thought to be intergrades between the two subspecies since their range is found in the center of what would be the intergrade zone between the two different subspecies. So when you say Whitewater or Coastal from the pic, I would remind you that it could look very much like both and it actually does.

Either way it is literally impossible to tell exactly what you have for sure without specific and complete history that would need to trace back to the original Wild collected stock that from which it came. Anyway, from that one pic, I am leaning toward the Hemet Coastal, but that is just a hunch, and not at all definite. That being said it is a really nice Rosy!
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James, that's what I said :laugh: . Well, the 3 word sentence version :raspberry
 
Ya, I just caught that. Again, we are right on the same page. Mine is just much longer today.
 
John, Are you working with Rosy Boas? If so, drop me an e-mail and tell me about what you have.
 
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Ya, I just caught that. Again, we are right on the same page. Mine is just much longer today.
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yeah, I just took the readers digest route. Your answer is much better, especially for any members really wanting to know the situation with Rosies and whitewater.

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John, Are you working with Rosy Boas? If so, drop me an e-mail and tell me about what you have.
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I finally let my CA native breeders permit expire two years ago, so no longer have any native stuff. All I have are some mid-baja Rosies. I like the AZ chocolates, but don't have any more of those either. There was a post (I can't find it right now) where someone said they had 20 something (or maybe it was even 30 something) Rosy Boas, was that you? (never mind that ?, checked your website. Duh) Just wondered after seeing your other photos. Nice stuff, let me know if you are going to have anything available this year.
 
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I sure hope so. The Trivs are breeding like rabbits. I should at least get some of them. But I may also get some AZ Chocolates, unicolors, San Felipes Whitewaters, Ww amels, Snows, Anerys, and various hets. I am keeping my fingers crossed
 
Cool, keep me updated. I'd like to get some more chocolates and I'm becoming interested in those snows, unicolors, and maybe Anerys.
 
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It could be a Hemet local Coastal, or even another. It could also be a Whitewater. It is really hard to say. Can you post a pic that shows the side a little better. Whitewaters will often have very fine dark edging between the pink and the blue-grey, and this is most obvious on their sides. This can be seen best in Wilomn's 3rd pic that he posted.

Again Whitewaters sometimes look very much like Coastals, and other times just like Deserts. Whitewaters are thought to be intergrades between the two subspecies since their range is found in the center of what would be the intergrade zone between the two different subspecies. So when you say Whitewater or Coastal from the pic, I would remind you that it could look very much like both and it actually does.

Either way it is literally impossible to tell exactly what you have for sure without specific and complete history that would need to trace back to the original Wild collected stock that from which it came. Anyway, from that one pic, I am leaning toward the Hemet Coastal, but that is just a hunch, and not at all definite. That being said it is a really nice Rosy!
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It does have that dark edging between the pink and the blue-grey. I bought it to breed as a Coastal but she will probably only be a pet.
 
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