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Please do not use anything glass for your chams sake. They see their reflection and get stressed and die off quickly. If you want cheap go with a reptarium, they are made of mesh and will last you some time until you can score some money for a good cage. Soon you will want one that cost about 120 bucks or so that is all screen and as large as you need. If your handy and your dad has tools get to work on one and make it yourself. It will be more fun that way. Look around for y posts you can see some pics of mine. Its a bit over the top but you can get soem smaller scale ideas from it.
Remeber to never keep chams in aquariums. It allows for no ventialtion and when you add your lights to the top it will intesify the heat beyond what they can handle.
The cage is the elast of your concern for a new cham owner do your research and look at the lights, supplements, decorations, dripper, mister, food, gut load for your food ect. It is not a cheap hobby man, you may be able to save money on your cage but what I listed will cost you in the hundreds.

thanks dude u no the mesh cage can that last my camelion all its life if i get the proper lights and decerations and food ect... and also omg i forgot what i was goign to say and it was a good ? haha

Well buddy its liek this. Those mesh cages suck since they wont last long. The crickets eat through the mesh very easily and the zippers tend to break. But you can cup feed your cham and hope no crickets get loose and becarefull with the zippers and get yourself going, because if your like me you want that cham now and not to wait till later. So get what you can afford for a cage, but no glass parts, and save up or start building a cage for later.
If your new cham is a baby it really should be kept in a smaller cage unitl it is thriving and healhty enough to attempt a bigger habitat. They have trouble finding their food, water, and light source in too big a cage when they are young. The thing is you will really need to start with a cage for now and get a bigger and better one later. That is why I say go for the cheaper mesh ones and then 6 months from now get a nice big screen cage.
Send me an email and I will respond to it with an attachemtn you can read that a breader gave to me for basic cham care for starters.
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Get your lights and supplements in order before you worry about what cage is best right now. Get a basic 2ft tall 1.5 ft wide 2ft deep cage (or somethign close to it) to start a baby cham in. My panther was 5 months old when he went into that big old cage I made but I had to watch that he knew where the cricket cup was and that he was eating before I let him stay in the cage.
Its like this little buddy. Consider having a puppy and buying one collar that will work for him for ever. He will out grow it and you have to toss it and buy the next size up. I know that sucks but what I do is keep the smaller cages for outdoor use when it is sunny and warm. I take them out of their nice big cage and stick them into the old baby cages for the day for good sunlight.
I want you new pet to live and not die so ask away man and if you want to call me I'll send you my number back in the email for some good tips. It sucks to have one die and it has not happened to me yet so I like to think I have some good advice to at least start you off. There are many different opinions out there and I try to take all of them in and study up on them and formulate 1 idea and go with it. So far it has been a success and I have 3 chams. One is 4yrs old now and out lived my friends by 3.5 yrs and they were both bought as a pair at the same time from the same breading pair of adults. My friend didnt want to learn anymore than what the pet store told him and you can see what happened. He is not to happy now and he has an empty GLASS and screen combo cage empty with no cham now. You think the glass might be a bad idea? I do to.
Look forward to hearing from you.

hey dude i was at petco tonite and i was goigjn to buy this cage it was 20 inches high and 18 inches wide and 1 foot deep? is that good or no plz say yes haha sry bro i cant call yea

it is fine if you are getting a baby cham. Veilds grow very fast and in 4 months or so you will need another cage and that one could be the adult size cage. Their is no limit on how big of an adult cage so get what your money can buy you. That cage will be perfect for a cham unitl about 5 months of age. So if the cham you are getting is 1-2 months old you can figure it out from there. Bottom line is that you will need to buy another cage in the future.
He check this out. If you dont have cats you can just get a tree and put him in that. check this set up I have for mine. I made the dripper from parts at the hardware store and got a lamp shade that I rigged to fit on the ugly silver dome. This way no worries about a cage. If you have another pet that will eat it then the idea is a no go. The will go around the house at times but they mostly stay in the tree. It may not work for every one and I wouldnt use it for a panther cham but my vdild has done great with it so far.

When you get a few more dollars, often people sell used IV/nutrient regulators on Ebay fairly reasonable, $40 or so, which make ideal drippers for chams and other reptiles that like to 'see' their water. Fresh new plastic fluid holders run about $5 to use in conjunction with the regulators and can be cleaned and reused time after time; the drip can then be regulated closely.

Yeah these hardware twisty deals are a pin in the neck, lol. They work though and are a heck of lot cheaper. I made my own but it would be too hard to expalin all of it so buying a 10 dripper isnt all that bad of an idea.

hey how about this im looking for somethign to last it for life heres a pic of the cage they sell at pet co go to that link plz and click inlarge.

Well it is nice but chams crawl up not across very much. That wouldnt fit a ficus tree very well with out cutting it down to the base. You could stand it on end I suppose and that would be better.
Listen man you wont get away with just one cage. How old is the cham you are getting?
Remember too big a cage for a baby cham and it cant find its water or food well.
You could try it and it might work but unless you have all the time to spend ensuring it will eat I say get a small cage now and a large one latter. Go get a small job or ask around for some work and score some case for the cage you really want. Look on ebay man they are cheap and you can get a deal if you find one.
If you do go with a big cage I would cup feed the crickets so you know he is getting the food. I use a sport water bottle and cut the very top off. This way the crickets jump but they dont jump straight up they jump to the side and cant get out. If they are gone you know he is eating this way you can watch him closely.
Think of this, you spend the 30 bucks on that one and it breaks 3 months down the road and now you have to spend more money ect. You need to figure out what is best for you but I am just suggesting what works. You might get lucky and get a smart cham that can find its food source in a big cage, all chams are different.
My baby sambava cup feed the second day in his 6ft tall 3ft wide cage after being take out of his little 24 inch cage. Most would say he is too small for this cage but I tried it and it worked so cross your fingers. the point is that if it didnt work for me then I still had the small cage to put him in.
Get soem silk worms too they are healthy and you can put them all over the cage and they dont get away.
Email me and I will reply with that attachemnt on cham care the breader gave me. It will answer all your questions.

dude thanks soo much for your help but i have one more ? u no the cage i showed u. http://www.reptilesupply.com/produc...products_id=305

can that be big enoph for the rest of the chams life?

Link doesnt work. Well I suppose if you are going to go this route I would buy a bigger one for a few bucks more and make sure you have one that you can stretch out for his life. Its cheaper to go one size or tow sizes up now then to bu another later. One other thing though, check around and see what people say about UV light going through the mesh. I have a feeling that it will block the light and UV needed for the cham. I had one of these cages and they are pretty crappy man. The mesh will rip and like I said crickets will eat it. What I hate about them the most is that you cant see in them that well. When they are all closed up it looks like it is dark in there and its hard to see them.
You still have to buy a ficus tree too. If you want to save money do it the way I showed you with out a cage. Repot a ficus tree for the same price as that cage and you will have a nice big area for him to crawl around. IF you are trippin on 30 bucks for the cage you have to consider a UV light is about 30 bucks, plus 30-40 bucks for the fixture, the heat light is cheao and can be any type of halogen flood style light from home depot but the fixture is about 12 bucks, supps are about 25 bucks, tree that is small is 12-15 bucks, dripper is 10 bucks. Then if you want some vines and stuff you have some more costs to add in.

thanks dude but the mesh cage is the only one i can get so which one would u get

heres all the ones i can get my dad said

http://www.reptilesupply.com/index.php?cPath=32

Go for the ESU one, at least it is screen and it is actually bigger. Good luck dude and have some fun with your new pet. You need more than the cage so email me and I will give you the care sheet. Ask away buddy and I'll answer what you you need to know.

ok on the esu one its only 1 foot deep what does that mean?

hey but its only 20 inches high and 18 inches wide and 1 footdeep r u sure its big enogh? im not tryign to question what u said but i just want to make sure

Correct it is the tallest one there. You need it taller than you do longer. Maybe you can turn that 22 gallon long one upright and have it be longer. Beg your dad and ask if he will match your money for a good cage. I really think that buying one of these will result in you spending more money later for another one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...23&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores

That is what you want as an adult. That acege is 125 everywhere else on the net that I have seen.
What about the cageless idea that I showed you. A full grown ficus at a nursery is 35 bucks. You can put him in your room by the window and he will love it. Be sure to shut blinds at night because they can see reflections that stress them.
DO you have cats?

Ok here you go man I got it. Same price range but very large and will work for its life, hope the cage lasts that long. People say that their nails get stuck in the mesh and cause problems but just be forewarned on this. If you can get your dad to front money for the screen cage go for it. Looks like you will have some choirs to get started on buddy get to bed and get ready for some parent kissing up, lol.
Have you seen the pics of my cage. Look under my posts I think you will enjoy the pics.It was more fun building the cage than anything. All designed with me and a friend and made in a garage over 2 months time. Working full time and doing that cage was hell. Sure is cool to have people come over and just look at all the detail it has in it though.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1285&item=4381306763&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1285&item=4382121004&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

both good prices even with shipping.

thansk soo much bro and no i dotn have any cats but even if i gt that tree and put it in my room i still need a cage haha

really, the cage is the least of your worries. or, if not least, only one of a few major ones. i don't know if you've done any reading on keeping chameleons, but you're going to have to buy a UV light and fixture (at least $40 together, minimum); make or buy some way to get water to drip and mist into the cage; some live plant for him to crawl around on; special soil so he doesn't eat the dirt and get sick; insects and vitamins for him to eat.

basically, if you are having problems affording different cages, are you sure you're going to be able to afford everything else you're going to need so he doesn't die?