Shannon Brown owes me $1150

Shannon Brown owes me $1150 and has not paid up. I really hate putting this on the Boi, but I have had several people contact me with the same situation. I had no idea that this would happen when dealing with him. Therefore I feel that I must let everyone else know of this situation. Please read the following correspondence between us. Again I'm sorry it came to this and I'm in the process of filing a complaint with my credit card company. Shannon Brown <[email protected]> wrote: Eric,
My girlfriend said you sent her a e-mail.No biggie.You aren't bugging me at all I was just about to contact you infact.I just hatched out my last clutch clutch.I got two ghosts and neither one is a complete vanishing pattern?
One is a female and is pretty normal and the other is a male and is really nice.He is leaning towards vanishing but isn't a vanishing?he is very light and his bands are very narrow on top and then taper down on the sides.
He wouldn't be $2k like a full blown vanishing but he wouln't be $500.00-800.00either?like I see some of these wide banded ugle ghosts going for.
You just let me know what you want to do.
I have five eggs that are just a few days away that should produce killer vanishing pattern hypos that are het for anery (ghost).They were laid on the 1st of august so should hatch by the 5th of oct.
Shannon
----- Original Message -----
From: ERIC PFEIFFER
To: Shannon Brown
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: vanishing ghost


I would rather wait for a near patternless ghost, I already have a medium grade vanishing male.

Shannon Brown <[email protected]> wrote: o.k. thats understandable.So did you still want the females and did you want to roll the order over till next year on the male or did you want your deposit back.
Shannon
----- Original Message -----
From: ERIC PFEIFFER
To: Shannon Brown
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: vanishing ghost


For now I would rather get the deposit back.

Shannon Brown <[email protected]> wrote: will do,
shannon
----- OriginaFrom: ERIC PFEIFFER
To: Shannon Brown
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: vanishing ghost


Shannon, I have not received my $1150 deposit in the mail yet. If you have not sent it, please paypal it to [email protected] asap. If you have sent it please email me back with the date on which you sent it. Thanks.
October 10, 2005
Eric,
I will get you that refund a.s.a.p/
I have just returned from a trip.Sorry,
Shannon
And that is the last time that I heard from him. I have had two other well known names in the industry contact me with similar situations.

Eric Pfeiffer

Okay Eric, from what I've read you sent a deposit, or paid for a ghost ball python??

I'm trying to understand the time line from the money being sent, to your post here on the BOI. Can you clarify some things. When did the initial contact take place, an add, a show, or here? How was the transaction payed for, paypal, money order, cash, wire transfer or other?

I admire the fact that you saved some emails, but more info need to be added, also did you contact the other person and make them aware of this thread?? Thanx in advance.

Laura Cox said:

Okay Eric, from what I've read you sent a deposit, or paid for a ghost ball python??

I'm trying to understand the time line from the money being sent, to your post here on the BOI. Can you clarify some things. When did the initial contact take place, an add, a show, or here? How was the transaction payed for, paypal, money order, cash, wire transfer or other?

I admire the fact that you saved some emails, but more info need to be added, also did you contact the other person and make them aware of this thread?? Thanx in advance.

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Laura,
Pretty sure Shannon Brown is a colubrid guy, milksnakes and such, not Ball Pythons.

The rest of your post was pretty much right on, the additional info would go a long way towards answereing the standard questions that are associated with BOI "bad guy" posts.

refund

I originally put a deposit down one year ago for 1.0 patternless ghost honduran, .2 patternless hypo het anery hondurans , and 1.1 louisiana pines.
As anyone can read on his website, you will get your refund in full only if Shannon does not produce the animals. Shannon stated in his correspondence with me that infact he had not produced the patternless ghost male. He then agreed to refund my money in full.

Eric,

post his website address...are we assuming that you attempted to purchase these animal through his website and not an ad? Also did you contact him about this thread?

Refund

Sorry, I forgot to add that I contacted him by phone. Also $650 was from paypal transfer and $500 was in the form of an money order. Another thing bothers me now, but I did'nt think about it at the time of deposit. His paypal account is through his girlfreind Amanda Granodo instead of his name. That probably should have raised a red flag, but I thought he was trustworthy. My credit card company will be pursing the $650 I sent through paypal and the federal government will pursue him for the remainder because I sent Shannon a postal M.O. As the lady at the post office told me, this is also considered mail fraud and criminal charges can be brought up against him. On a side note, I emailed and called both of his phones to give him until tonight before I drop the paperwork in the mail to process my claims. I would really like to work it out between us. But I could really use the money (as I'm sure everyone could) and I feel that I have given him enough time to paypal me the money. Even if he did not have the money, Shannon could be honest with me and either set up a payment plan or offer up other animals ( although Ireally don't want any other snakes).

xrayeric1993 said:

Another thing bothers me now, but I did'nt think about it at the time of deposit. His paypal account is through his girlfreind Amanda Granodo instead of his name. That probably should have raised a red flag, but I thought he was trustworthy.

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He very well could still be that same trust worthy person you believed him to be. He has not responded on this thread just yet. Perhaps their is a circumstance beyond his control that is keeping him from refunding what he owes you. Lets stay optimistic its a simple case such as this and all work itself out.

What I'm trying to say is .....don't gear your brain into thinking this is fraud...because when he does show up you might not be as open to his explanation being all pumped up. And pumped all you'll be after reading the numerous replies to this thread you created...no doubt.

Refund

I would like to agree with you on that, but he has had over twenty days to paypal me the money and he made a promise to refund it promply.

Not saying that it's right by any means that you haven't received your money, but for some folks, it's not always an easy thing to come up with over $1000 in a short time. No, he shouldn't have spent the money until he had your snakes "in hand" so to speak, but we all know how that goes, unfortunately.

Did you ask him about setting up a payment plan? YOU shouldn't have to deal with that, but if it would get you your money back......?

refund

If he did'nt have the money , it is his responsibility to ask me for a payment plan, not mine. Although I would have been happy with that. At the urging of some of Shannon's friends and because up to this point he has been great to deal with, I will not be sending out the appropriate paperwork until Monday. I will post more as the situation progresses. I really would like to see Shannon have a reasonable explanation at why I have not received the money and save his good name. But if you look at the timelines on the emails that we exchanged, I'm sure that you could see my concerns.

No, it isn't your responsibility to offer a payment plan.....I just thought that perhaps it would help you to get your money back without having to go through all of the legal hassle. I understand your concerns, but I just always hate to see things have to go the "legal" route until all other methods have failed.....JMO.

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I agree with you 100%!!! Hopefully we will work it out.

I hope everthing works out. I have dealt with Shannon in the past & everything went fine.

I know Shannon and I have purchased snakes from him several times, and was very satisfied with the deal. This just does not sound like him. I hope all of this gets worked out!!!

sorry this has gone this far

Eric,
I wouldn't have even known this was here but a friend called me and told me about it a little while ago.
Anyways,I e-mailed you earlier tonight responding to your last e-mail and I did send you some money via pay-pal (and yes it is in my girlfreinds name and has been for over five years).
Like I said in the e-mail I am not going to make any excuses but I have been out of town for a few days and acually tinight was the first time my computer was turned on in a week.I am working seven days a week right now about 10-12 hours a day trying to run a bowling alley on a skeliton crew and this is between running my two year old back and fourth to Loma Linda every other tuesday for all kinds of tests because Were I live they can't provide these things for us.
Like I said,I am very sorry that it has taken me so long and I will do everything in my power to get your money to you a.s.a.p and you will have 3/4 of it by monday.
Just to show you how bad it is take a look at the classifieds and see if you can find a ad from me?I havn't even posted anything for over ten days and I probably still have well over 100 babies.Some of them are 500.00 and up per baby so its not that I don't have it I just don't have it in hand?I would have offered you other snakes (I saw you say that in one of your posts)but I don't think thats what you want and then you have to try and sell them to re-coupe your money.
Nuff Said,
Shannon Brown

Lesson.

I'm extremely happy that everthing is resolved and ended this way. Although I think that the boi is sometimes misused and that is why I hesitated posting, I'm glad I did. The boi not only helped me get in contact with a few of Shannon's friends, but can also teach us a lesson in communication. I'm sure everyone can see why I might suspect that I may not see any money. But sometimes life can throw us for a loop and snakes are the least of our concerns. Please I ask breeders big and small , keep in close communication with customers about situations that arise. Most people will understand. And if you are forced to use the boi, don't attack and say things you may regret. Just state the facts and everthing will work out!

Eric, that is a very good post, a very wise thought. The BOI has worked here for you in a positive manner and shows a great deal of quality for you and Shannon. Communication can make all the difference between transaction, whether it was what you wanted or not. Nothing is more frustrating to me than the lack of communication, sometimes it can feel like you made a purchase from your best friend and sometimes it feels like you ordered an animal from a catalog without any questions answered.

Excellent post Eric.....and I'm very glad it all worked out well for you.

I'm also glad Shannon came here and gave us at least a brief explanation, what he said doesn't make it any more right that you haven't gotten your refund, but it certainly gives us some insight into WHY, and that he wasn't just "blowing you off" as such.

I'm glad for both of you.

Shannon Brown owes us Sankes or $$$

I really hate to post this but Shannon has really put us in a bad position with a deal that I am trying to finish up with him.

The deal was arranged by myself and Shannon the end of 2004 beginning of 2005. I just moved and haven't unpacked my records yet so I don't have an exact date but can get one soon.

I traded him some high end adult Hondurans and in exchange he was going to get me a male pastel ball python and a female het from the same clutch. He told me that he would pick them up from a friend of his at the Daytona Shown in August. I was fine with that and trusted Shannon so I gave him the Hondurans from the beginning. We did put this deal in writing which is also in a box that I will unpack this weekend.

So the Daytona show came and went and no snakes. Emailed Shannon and he said he would get them at the Anaheim show in September. Ok no biggie. I went to the Anaheim show and Shannon was selling at that show. I went to his booth and he told me he would be getting them shortly. Well I had my wife and 3 kids there and told him to drop them off at my house on his way home. He said sure. I'll bring them to you on Sunday. Sunday came and went and no call from Shannon.

This is when I started to get frustrated. He then told me I would have them by the end of September. Well it's October now and I still have no snakes.

Here are the emails from the time the deal started to go sour:

----- Original Message -----

From: Nichol White

To: [email protected]

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:12 AM

Subject: Trade with Richard



Hi Shannon,

This is Nichol, Richard’s wife. I just spoke with him regarding the deal that you and he had worked out almost a year ago. I’m starting to feel really uncomfortable with the deal. You received his snakes almost a year ago and you told him at that time that you would be picking up his Pastel Ball pythons at the Daytona Show in 2005. Well that show went by and Richard contacted you and you told him you were going to get them at the Anaheim show. Again that show went by and Richard still has no snakes. You were supposed to bring the snakes to Richard at our house Sunday the 11th after the show. You never called him as you said you were going to do to bring the snakes to him. He emailed you on Monday to find out what had happened and you responded this morning that they were going to be shipped to you in about 2 weeks and then you are going to ship them to him. I feel this deal has not gone according to the original agreement. Richard has been more then patient with you.

Instead of having the snakes shipped to him in 2 weeks please forward a check for $2,000 for the snakes you originally got from him.

If you have any questions please contact either Richard or myself at 760-486-4110 or 760-486-4396.

Since we are moving very soon please send the check to my work address which is:

New Century Title

Attention: Nichol White

56300 29 Palms Hwy Ste 110

Yucca Valley, CA 92284

Sincerely,

Nichol White

From: Shannon Brown [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:21 AM
To: Nichol White
Subject: Re: Trade with Richard



Nichol,



Sorry that the deal hasn't went as planned.I wish it was as easy as that.I won't be sending no check for 2k thats for sure.I have already traded off the high end baby hondurans for the pastel male and the het female.It was a three way dance over the weekend and the third party went sour.

I will have the balls sent here in about two weeks and it looks like I am the one thats going to be screwed?Oh well thats not your fault and I guess I should have had the ball pythons in my hands before I let the hondurans leave my hands.

I was just going to have the balls shipped to you direct to save a extra shipping but since you are moveing I can understand the frustrastion?

I will drive them down to you if I have to?



I have already paid (with baby snakes) for these snakes so there is no way I am sending a check to you guys (and the deal wasn't even 2k anyways).

I will have your balls to you before the end of the month.



Shannon

From: Shannon Brown [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:45 PM
To: Nichol White
Subject: Re: Trade with Richard



I will have to dig up the copy of the paper I signed but it was in feb or march that I came down and picked up the snakes so its not been a year.I did say I should be able to get the snakes in Daytona and I wasn't able to get them cause my babies hadn't hatched yet and I didn't take any babies to datona.

Anyways,Its a long story and I have sent all the babies off for the two snakes and they were to be piched up in Anaheim by me but it never happened.

Like I said,I will have the snakes to you in a couple weeks.



Shannon

From: Nichol White

To: Shannon Brown

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:49 PM

Subject: RE: Trade with Richard



Shannon,

Ok this is getting ridiculous. You have now lied to us 3 times. The snakes never arrived yesterday as you stated would happen. What is going on? I know these snakes are not hard to find. I saw several of them at the Anaheim show and see them on the internet all the time.

Again I am requesting that you either send the snakes that was agreed upon by you and Richard, which by the way is in writing, or send us $2,000. This needs to be resolved right away. I have heard thru reliable source that we are not the only people waiting for you to make good on a deal.

I would hate to have to have this resolved in front of a judge which is where it is headed if this is not resolved immediately. You have been given more then enough time to make good on this.

Nichol

From: Shannon Brown [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:35 PM
To: Nichol White
Subject: Re: Trade with Richard



Nicole,

I said That I would try to have him ship on monday to richard and that I would let Richard know ahaed of time for sure if they were comeing.So were did I lie.

If you want to threaten me with takeing this to court, then sign it up.I will have the Pythons shipped to you like I said I will.Now leave it alone.

Shannon

----- Original Message -----
From: Nichol White
To: Shannon Brown
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Trade with Richard


Do you have an estimated time frame as to when the snakes should be shipped?

From: Shannon Brown [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Nichol White
Subject: Re: Trade with Richard

I will let you know after I talk to my guy this evening for sure.
Shannon


I don't think we have been unreasonable with Shannon. I feel he should issue us a check for the trade that never happened. And I think $2,000 is a fair market figure for the snakes that I traded him and the snakes I was supposed to receive.

Any help or input would be greatly appreciated.

One thing doesn't make sense to me. You say you are supposed to get a pastel male ball python and a het female from the same clutch. The pastel trait is a codominant trait, so the normals in the clutch aren't het for anything - they are just normals. Sounds like Shannon's rep is on a downhill slide. Hope all works out for you.

Matt Crabe