Emily Fegan AKA greys4you - Use EXTREME CAUTION

Heres another incident that reinforces the saying, "If it sounds to good to be true then it probably is." I saw an AD on KS asdvertising 2 cb adult female BPs in the 1500 gram range for $375 shipped. I know I know, too good to be true. I gave it a shot anyway seeing how I got some killer deals before that I initially thought was too good to be true.

After exchanging a few emails it started to sound more and more like a scam. Seller won't allow pick up citing it would be easier for her to ship, seller not being able to send updated pics of the animals citing she was "busy," last but not least, seller trying to sell the same animals to someone else after agreeing to sell to you.

The emails below are from start to finish. Decide for yourself if this is a scam or not. I've never heard of this person before and just wanted to warn other people about her. Maybe shes not a scammer and maybe so. You decide.


Reply from Emily:

Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:16:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>


Sam,
I have a large response of emails for these girls but no one has taken them yet,if you are seriously going to buy these two please email me back as soon as possible so I can take down my ad and consider these sold.
The total for both females is $375
I guarantee Sex, Feeding, Weight, Health and pest free also live arrival.
I am accepting postal money orders for payments.....what I do is I will email you a UPS shipping slip overnight on my ups account all you have to do is print it out and attach it to a ups overnight envelope and drop it off at the ups store.

Thank you,
Emily
PetDepot


Reply from me:

Emily,

I'll take them. Are you taking paypal. Please call
me so we can work out the payment. Thanks!

Sam Leam
773-454-0995

(Emily never called, only emailed me back and forth.)


Reply from Emily:

Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:43:14 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Okay Thanks Sam,Send me your shipping address and I can make the UPS label now...just drop it off on monday and I will ship on tuesday when I recieve it....
Once I get the address I will make the label.
Let me know if Wednesday is a good day to recieve the ball pythons for you.
Thanks again,
Emily


Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:57:31 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>


Once I get your shipping address I will make the label and take them off KS
Thank you,
Emily
(She never took the ad down until last night Nov 14)



Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:32:05 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake

To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Okay heres the label let me know if it attachs right....
Thanks,Emily

Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 05:45:58 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Yes Sam I would be happy to,I am running out soon and I will get that to you in a little bit.
Thanks,Emily

sam leam <[email protected]> wrote:
Emily,

Got the label. Would you do me a favor and write up a
quick guarentee and sign it and email it to me? I've
had a lot of rotten luck with getting scamed lately.
I received a total of 5 females BPs that were suppose
to be adults and feeding and they turned out to be non
feeding wc subadults.

I would greatly appreciate it if you would do this for
me and I will send out the postal money order First
thing Monday morning. Also would you have anymore
pics of these two girls? Thanks!

Sam


Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:29:27 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake

To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Sam,
I have attached the two pictures of the ball pythons in the attachment...I have been very busy so it might take me till tommarrow to get new ones....sorry about the hold up.
Thanks for your patience.
Thanks again,Emily


(I’m starting to get more curious as I believe in the saying “If its too good to be true, then it probably is.” So I decided to test her to see what she would say if I offered to have them pick up. I also had my buddy email her inquiring about the same ball pythons to see if she would try to sell them to him and she did.)

Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:44:16 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Yes I understand you have already seen those pictures,but It will take me till tommarrow to take new ones since I am very busy.
I would love to have him pick them up,but it would be a lot more convenient for me to ship them,since I have orders going out next week and I have a very busy schedule I can squez these in.
Thanks again,
Emily

sam leam <[email protected]> wrote:
Emily,

Thanks for the pics but I already saw these. Would it
be possible to pick these girls up? My cousin lives
in Atlanta GA and is willing to pick them up for me.
Hes coming to visit here soon anyway. Let me know.
Thanks!

Sam


(Heres the email my friend forwarded to me from Emily.)

From: [email protected] Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:28:34 EST
Subject: Fwd: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons

To: [email protected]


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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:27:16 -0800 (PST)
From: "AfricanGrey Congo" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons
To: [email protected]
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Jon,


If you would like to purchase these two females,please email me your Name,Shipping address and any other contact information for shipping.

I guarantee Sex, Feeding, Weight, Health and pest free also live arrival.

I am accepting postal money orders for payments.....what I do is I will email you a UPS shipping slip overnight on my ups account all you have to do is print it out and attach it to a ups overnight envelope and drop it off at the ups store.

The total price for both females is $375 Shipping included.

If you really are going to purchase these please get back with me ASAP with your shipping address and a confirmation that you will be buying these so I can take down my ad and pre-pare them for shipping. If you are able to send a money order out on Monday I can ship Tuesday for Wednesday arrival but you have to be there on there arrival it is early morning.
Or please be sure to tell me a good date for you.

I have a large response on these females so I will need to know as soon as possible
Thank You,
Emily
PetDepot

[email protected] wrote:
I am very interested in your adult female ball pythons. I can have a money order overnighted to you on Monday or I can pay via paypal. Please let me know if there still available and how you accept payment.

Thank you,
Jon


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From: [email protected] Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:32:15 EST
Subject: Fwd: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons

To: [email protected]


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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:57:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "AfricanGrey Congo" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons
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Jon,
If you want these then they are yours I dont think any one else is serious,just a lot of email games!
Send me your shipping address and I will email you a label and all the other information you will need.
Thanks,Emily

[email protected] wrote:
Yes I am serious. Has anyone obligated themselves to them or am I the first to get a shipping label and get a money order out? I dont want to send you a money order and have someone else send you one to. Then I just wasted my money and time getting that money order. If I am the only one that has gotten a label and sending a money order I will take them now. Consider them sold. Please let me know.

Thank you,
Jon


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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:50 EST
Subject: Fwd: Order Confirmation

To: [email protected]


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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:02:06 -0800 (PST)
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This is a email Confirming that you received the Shipping Label from UPS in an email.
All you have to do is print it out and attach it to a UPS envelope and drop it off at the UPS store on Monday.
Your total for your order is : $375 for the two adult female ball pythons
Payment for them will be in a Postal money order that is purchased at the post office.
Please make it out to:
Emily Fegin
269 Twickenham Trace
Suwanee Ga 30024
When you mail the money order please include your Shipping address and exactly what you ordered in the envelope on a separate sheet of paper.
Just for confirmation please make sure you have wrote down the date that is okay for shipping, please remember you have to be there in the morning since they will deliver them for early morning guaranteed before 9:00
I will be preparing them for shipping on Tuesday for Wednesday Delivery, but you will need to confirm that you will be there to receive them at the shipping address you provided me.
Just shoot me an email confirming that you received the UPS label and you will be dropping it off at the UPS store on Monday so I will receive it on Tuesday and that shipping is okay on Tuesday for arrival on Wednesday for you.
I guarantee live arrival, sex , health, pest free, size, and feeding.
Thank You,
Emily
PetDepot
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:17:08 EST
Subject: Fwd: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons

To: [email protected]


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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:59:57 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons
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Okay here is the UPS label for the postal money order please make the money order out to the address I will send you in a minute its a confirmation email just confirm it when you get it so I know you understand.
Thanks again,
Emily
PetDepot

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:36:04 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Sam,
Yes these are your two females,just took the ad down cause you confirmed you were purchasesing them.
Please let me know when you mail it.
Thanks,Emily

sam leam <[email protected]> wrote:
Emily,

I just want to make sure you are saving these two
girls for me right? I know you said you had alot of
replies for these and I still see the ad up there on
KS. Let me know before I send out payment. Thanks!

Sam Leam


Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:02:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "sam leam" <[email protected]>

Sam,
Let me know if you dropped the money order off today.
Thanks,Emily


From: [email protected] Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:33:35 EST
Subject: Fwd: Message about: 2 Adult Female Ball Pythons

To: [email protected]


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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:14:02 -0800 (PST)
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Jon,
Where you able to get the money order out today?
Thanks,Emily


(I sent this email to her this morning)

Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:24:07 -0800 (PST)
From: "sam leam" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert

Subject: Re: 2 Adult female BP on kinsgsnake
To: "AfricanGrey Congo" <[email protected]>


Emily,

No I did not send the money order. I thought you told
me that these girls were mine now? I found out you
sold these two girls to someone else. You sent Jon
from Phoenix, the shipping label so he can send out
money order for these same two adult females. Would
you care to explain this?

Don't try to deny this either because Jon forwarded me
all the emails you sent him including the shipping
label. I will be posting this on the Fauna BOI and
reporting this to kingsnake unless you have a very
good explaination for this.

Sam Leam

Here are the two shipping labels she sent. One for me and one for my buddy.

Her ads were just up there this morning. They've seemed to disappear right after I sent her an email asking her to explain this. I send the KS admin an email about this seller.

Doing a search on the address, this is what I come up with.....doesn't quite match up...but there's a phone number for ya...

C Gajera
269 Twickenham Trce
Suwanee, GA 30024
(678) 714-0040

I have never done business with them (her). I saw an ad for something I was interested in (overpriced, unlike yours, lol), but I think I have seen the pics before. If they were the same pics, and this is the same person - there was a bunch of bad press on here about that woman and her business (it was not PetDepot at the time). The memory of it all was enough to prevent me from contacting her about the current snake. I'll try to remember the name or dig up the thread.

Ups

The seller wanting you to send the payment UPS (and paying for it!) would have raised a red flag.

I imagine they want the money order sent via UPS rather than the US Postal Service since then it would be considered mail fraud - a federal offense!!

Well, call me an idiot. I am new posting here but actually came here looking for information on this person the other day before sending her the money for one of the females. I have not received an email from her since. My husband is reversing the money order (paid with a money order from our bank, not postal), but I am not holding my breath that anything will happen there. I feel like such a fool. I have saved all of the emails between us but I do not know how to post them.

Lovely....and right before Christmas.

Lee Kelly

Looks like this person has been busy, unfortunately.

Anyone try the phone number and see who answers? Obviously if the money orders are all going there, someone there must know something.....?

I called the number and a woman answered. When I asked for Emily she stamered for a moment and then told me I had the wrong number. When I tried to inquire further she hung up on me. The snake is actually due to arrive tomorrow, so we'll see, but once again.......not holding my breath.

Ah ha......imagine that. If the snake doesn't arrive......which I'm not holding my breath either, I'd start calling law enforcement. She obviously either lives at that address, or knows someone who does....I'd have to look back, but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of tracking to prove that YOUR money was delivered to that address. I've been lucky and don't have any experience with this kind of this, but there's plenty of folks on here that have, and would be more than glad to give you some pointers on how best to proceed. $500 isn't a lot of money to some people, but it IS to some, and I wouldn't just let it "drop" by any means. Not only will she have your money, but probably a lot of others as well, and someone needs to stop her!!!

I'm sure she has sold those snakes 10 time over by now. I can't be the only idiot out there. LOL. Luckily, I only bought one of them, so I'm out $175. But it is still a bummer. According to our bank, she she has to cash our money order at her bank with an ID. If this is true they can reverse the charges and they will take it back out of her account. Any other information you can give me on how to proceed with this I would greatly appreciate.

If this was a few days ago she has probably cashed the order already. Did you provide her bank with the order number in your receipt?

Good luck!

She received the money order this morning. I am sure she cashed it, but there is still a chance my bank can reverse it, if she used her bank and bank account number. I doubt she did, but we'll see. Lesson learned the hard way.

Lee,

I wish you the best of luck in getting the snake but I'm not holding my breath either. After I sent her an email asking for an explanation I never heard anything back. My question is about using postal money order. Wouldn't it be considered a federal offense when someone commits fraud using postal money order? I thought using postal money order is considered a "safe" form of payment?

Next time I'll be using nothing but credit card as its much easier to get your money back in case you're being ripped off. I wish I had started this thread sooner when I suspected something. I just wanted to hear the sellers side but that never happened.

Thank you Sam. I too wish you had put something up earlier, as I would have caught it, but I'm glad you did eventually. It just astounds me that someone would actually set out to steal money from someone else, but I know they are out there. I will do what I can to get my money back, but if nothing else, maybe I can stop this from happeneing to someone else....or at least make it harder for "her" to scam someone else.

Postal Money Order

Fraud involving a USPS money order would fall under the jurisdiction of the US Postal Inspector's office, a federal law enforcement body.

Just because you don't use the US Mail, doesn't mean that there are not implications. There may be interstate commerce laws that would encompass UPS and FedEx shipments. In which case the matter would be under the jurisdiction of the FBI.


-Scott

The seller wanting you to send the payment UPS (and paying for it!) would have raised a red flag.

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I know someone else who does the same thing.

bearded pets said:

shipping we will accept money orders shipped out priority mail or overnight on are account and they will pick up the payment at your house. Please email

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I am accepting postal money orders for payments.....what I do is I will email you a UPS shipping slip overnight on my ups account all you have to do is print it out and attach it to a ups overnight envelope and drop it off at the ups store.

Thank you,
Emily
PetDepot

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bearded pets said:

shipping we will accept money orders shipped out priority mail or overnight on are account and they will pick up the payment at your house. Please email

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dzoo said:

The seller wanting you to send the payment UPS (and paying for it!) would have raised a red flag.
I imagine they want the money order sent via UPS rather than the US Postal Service since then it would be considered mail fraud - a federal offense

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Just coincidence?