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Corucia infanticide

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I was hoping someone would shed light on this.
I have a large group (20+) of PTS, and a while back, a trio (1:2) produced a very lively neonate. I decided to leave it with the parents, and everything was fine for about 3 weeks, after which I returned one day to find that the other female of the group had just finished eating him! I would never have thought this could happen, and have never found a reference for this behavior. I now keep neonates separated from all except their mother, and this seems to be working.
Any thoughts ?

Phil
 
Hello Phil,

It would be interesting to know exactly what you've read on Corucia.... I do not mean this in a condescending way but when I read your above post on diet, I was astonished, to put it mildly.

In answer to this particular question there are a couple of theories at work here. First, if a baby is born prematurely with defects OR if the baby was a still born, it is known that a member of a colony or circulus will actually consume that baby to remove the evidence, so to speak. In the wild Corucia do this because a dead, decomposing baby will attract predators. It is a survival instinct to protect the rest of the group from unwanted intruders that would in turn put the entire 'family' at risk.

In your case, I would suspect that something was probably wrong with the youngster to begin with. This is natures way of weeding out the sick or the vulnerable when or if needed. If your group has been together for awhile, I see no other reason for a neonate to be consumed by a second female-- &, to add, especially with the parents around.

There are alot of people that vary in their opinions on separating youngsters from an established group. I use the word 'established' very strongly... Here at the LCRC, we NEVER separate babies from the given circulus UNLESS the baby is having health issues or is not displaying certain activities (such as eating) that should be normal at a given age. If a separation must occur, we try to get the baby back with the parents as soon as possible. We strongly feel here that the family unit & Corucia society in general should be maintained whenever possible &/or practical. This benefits the offspring as well as to have the nurturing & protection of both parents & other members of the group. A baby separated from this environment doesn't thrive as he or she should & has varying degrees of stress which makes for an unhappy situation. One noteworthy example of this would be parents who have lost a baby from a miscarriage or another unfortunate occurence will often 'guard' a birthing site for days &, once here for three weeks. This is the structure that i'm trying to say is unique & should be encouraged.

I would also like to mention that with captive bred & born babies raised with their parents while in captivity, there is a distinct & tremendous difference in behavior, overall personality & disposition which is quite remarkable to observe.

Hope this helps some,

Sherri
 
He would not eat (though I have read that they live off of a yolksack for up to 2 months? - I am skeptical since my current neonate was eating the day it popped out!) for the first three weeks, though he was active and followed mom around. Then I walked in and found another female to have blood around her mouth and no neonate! I searched the cage, and found no way out (reptarium) and no evidence of the baby. I then cleaned the blood from the female's mouth and found no wounds on her or any other skink (mom was asleep at the time, as was the male). There was blood on the inside of the lip scales too, so I could only conclude that was where the baby went. If you think that no appetite for 3 weeks is abnormal (I do !) then maybe it was a natural death and disposal. Weird thing is that one of my females gave birth after I got her to a stillborn, and I didn't even know it until I found the dry corpse in a hidebox several weeks later. Maybe they didn't eat it because they had not establised a territory yet?
Well, nice to bounce these things off of someone. I don't know anyone working with a colony like mine. I don't even know anyone else with a PTS!

Thanks for the feedback,

Phil
 
Hi again,

Yes, it is completely abnormal for a baby not to eat for that length of time. Under normal circumstances & conditions, newborns will begin eating on their own by day 3 or 4 following birth. We concluded that the placenta a baby consumes sustains he/she for about that period of time. Anything beyond that, such as what you described, would be scary.

I do believe now that it was a 'natural' death & your female did what instinct dictates them to do under circumstances as these.

Sincerely,

Sherri
 
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