Mods, I'm curious

It has been mentioned by His Majesty that I have intimidated you mods to the point that you do not ding me when you feel you should.

In point of fact, I think the only mods I've even had harsh words with were mr. clark and mr. frank. At least since my last big time out. I'm not counting dand since he's no longer a member here.

Jay and I seem to have worked through our "stuff" and I never had any stuff with Dennis or Ken and The King, well, he hits me when he feels it necessary and, as with all the other mods, if I disagree I say so and if I agree I generally say nothing.

Do you mods feel that I have intimidated you? Would you hold off dinging me for some reason?

I feel, and it may well be in error, that if you guys felt I deserved dinging, you'd ding away. Is this feeling wrong?

I'd really like to know.

Thanks,
W

Seeing as I "dinged" you three days ago I'd say I'm in the "not intimidated" category.

I suspect though, Wes, that those who might be intimidated, should they indeed exist, would not publicly come forward and admit it. So the results of this "poll" are not likely to be meaningful in any way.

Since you saw fit to include my name ; No , your " school-ground bully " tactics do not intimidate me.Sorry to disappoint you.

Jim O said:

Seeing as I "dinged" you three days ago I'd say I'm in the "not intimidated" category.

I suspect though, Wes, that those who might be intimidated, should they indeed exist, would not publicly come forward and admit it. So the results of this "poll" are not likely to be meaningful in any way.

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Hmmmm, lost my responce the first time, let's try it again.

I had not considered that if I did intimidate someone that they would not be forthcoming about it. Though I can see, now, where they might be. Dang it even.

You see, intimidation was not ever my goal. To be outspoken when I've felt maligned, such as happened recently with mr. frank modding and being a member both in the same thread and dinging me when he had no other way to get back at me, yes, I've done that.

But intimidating to the extent that a mod, be it a bought position or appointed, has never been a goal.

Well, I'm glad mr. frank never got scared by my "school-ground bully" tactics. Fear was also not one of the goals of my merely speaking up for myself when I felt someone had abused the power of moderation, as I have felt several times with mr. frank.

If the rest of you mods could answer, and you could pm me if you like as I am trying to get a clearer view of how I am seen here on this site, I'd appreciate it. Should you choose to answer me in private I assure you it will stay between us, even if we should disagree over something in the future.

Thanks again.

Actually Wes~ I might be the one Rich is referring to~ but it's not that I am too intimidated to ding you with warning points.....

But just the same your the reason I don't use my "Mod Powers" (or at least the easiest one for me to point too)
I like you~ I'd find it difficult to issue you warning points. And really......you OFTEN RICHLY DESERVE the points you get. Equally~ I would find it entirely TOO EASY to issue points to someone I don't like (or when I'm in a bad mood, or when the sun, the moon and the stars don't align to suit me, or when you and Rich just go at each other like little boys........it goes on and on)

So~ I choose to support the sight by donating~ and I choose to support the site by NOT using powers I don't think I have the willpower (is that the right word?) to use appropriately.

That said~ I do very much admire those who use the power appropriately and take up the responsibility I do not. Thanks all.

I don't have any guns at the moment but if I did, I would try to be fair and shoot them accordingly.


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I don't have any guns at the moment but if I did and choose to fire them, I would try to be fair and shoot them accordingly.

Thank you Cheryl. rich has said moderatorS more than once so it is not you alone.

I understand what you are saying, responsibility is a tough thing when you couple it with care and honesty.

Cheryl Marchek AKA JM said:

And really......you OFTEN RICHLY DESERVE the points you get.

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A point that I'm certain Wes concedes to be true.

Jim O said:

A point that I'm certain Wes concedes to be true.

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Absolutely.

I often know I'll get points for what I've said and if that's the case I have nothing to say about it.

I'm not trying to play both ends against the middle here, just get a better impression of what you mods think.

I have to say I've never dinged you Wes, at least I'm fairly certain I haven't. I am not intimidated by you, and in fact I would feel pity for those who are so timid to be intimidated by a page of text on the internet.
The reason I have not dinged you though is because I get so much enjoyment from reading your posts and from your exemplary abilities as a wordsmith, that even when deserved, I would feel a bit hypocritical if I did.
I missed your banter during your period of exile and even though I realize that's it's probably just a matter of time before it is imposed again, I do not particularly want to hasten the process either lol.

That being said, I rarely use my ability to issue points anyway. I don't know how many times I've given a warning but I would be surprised if the total is much into the double digits.

Wilomn said:

Absolutely.

I often know I'll get points for what I've said and if that's the case I have nothing to say about it.

I'm not trying to play both ends against the middle here, just get a better impression of what you mods think.

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Well Wes, this is an issue all by itself. So let's address it, shall we.

WHY do you get the warning points? Do you have any idea? Is it because the rules and guidelines of this site are too strict for you? Are the mods who enforce them interpretting the rules and guidelines unfairly or inaccurately? Or is it just because you purposely choose to flaunt those rules?

Or is there another reason?

You must have some idea of the destructive nature of your attitude, but still you persist. You delight in bumping heads with me even though you cannot possibly have any better idea than I do about what is best for this site. Are you this way with the people you work with at your regular job? Do you tell your bosses how they should change the way to do their business because you believe you have a better idea? Do you read the employee's handbook just so you know what it is you have to do in order to violate those guidelines written inside? Do you have trouble holding down a steady job?

In a similar vein, why do you continue along that path you are when you must realize that it will place me in the position of having no other choice but to ban you from this site? What is to be gained by you in this pursuit? I don't think anyone doubts that I have and will ban someone from here. And I believe that some people are pretty much taking wagers on how long it will be before you are given the heave-ho. Obviously you must want to be here, otherwise you would not. You have paid more money in fines than any other person so you could come back from suspensions. You were banned "permanently" and yet came to me asking to be let back on. So why engage in mannerisms that are guaranteed to get you thrown out of here yet again? What is the point? Especially since I have learned my lesson about you, and this time, come hell or high water, it's for good.

Yeah, I know in the past you have referred to this as a "game". But what fun is a game where the only possible outcome will be your losing something that is obviously of value, or at least interest, to you? This site has gone through a LOT of changes over the years, but apparently the one main constant here is that Wes will ALWAYS get warning points, no matter what. So apparently regardless of the changes, they STILL haven't been good enough for you to keep from being warned about your actions.

Honestly Wes, as I have mentioned before, I do like your style in dealing with the bad guys. But in many respects your negatives are overcoming the positives. I REALLY don't want to boot you out of here, but if you give me no other choice, I WILL take it. I know you say you don't care, but your actions belie those statements. If you didn't care, you would NOT keep coming back.

You really don't have very many more pieces on the board in your game, Wes. Play them wisely.....

Rich, perhaps when you say game you are thinking more along the lines of a Parker Bros. endeavor.

It's a little different for me.

Accept the fact that I do value this site. I can live without it. I did ask to come back, scant weeks before you let EVERYONE you had ever booted come back. You try to make it look like something it wasn't. I asked to come back, you acceded my request and I thanked you for it.

I did not, and was accompanied by many of your members, believe that I deserved to be booted when I was. Had I actually deserved it I seriously doubt I would have made the request. I have my own reckoning that I go by Rich, what is deserved and undeserved and I try to keep it even. I felt you owed me one. I asked for it, twice I believe, and you must have felt similarly because you granted my request. Since you granted my request, since you must have had at least some of the same thoughts about my not deserving to be booted, why do you keep trying to make it look like something it wasn't? You didn't HAVE to let me back. You did because, I think, you too keep a reckoning and you too thought I had one owed to me.

That or the post count really was down and you just wanted me back to bring it up. That seems rather unlikely, about as unlikely as me actively wishing harm to your site, so I discount that thought out of hand.

You know some of the changes you have made to this site were changes I was fairly sure you would make in responce to my game playing. That in itself is reward enough to play. I thought you would know and understand that. I'm sort of surprised that you didn't. Unless of course, you are just playing me now, which is always a possibility. I don't think so though.

By the way, check your logs and see which mods I've questioned and why I've questioned them. IF you're openminded you may be surprised at what you see.

I am trying to play wisely, as you have suggested. In that vein do you think it wise to give free reign to mods like mr. clark and mr. frank? Where do you draw the line and take back the bought mod levels? How far down does one have to drag the other good mods before you take action? How many of your mods have to publicly disagree with the actions of one or two of their bretherin before something is done?

What kind of game is it when it's rigged for the house? How do you change the house rules when the house makes those rules? How would YOU get the rules changed if they were unfair or made the site look bad? Probably not by taking the same actions as I have but what if mine and yours arrived at the same end? What then?

Wes ,Please refrain from using my name to sidetrack the issue at hand .It is quite evident from the last few posts that neither I or any other mod has anything to do with your problems .Thank you

Wilomn said:

Rich, perhaps when you say game you are thinking more along the lines of a Parker Bros. endeavor.

It's a little different for me.

Accept the fact that I do value this site. I can live without it. I did ask to come back, scant weeks before you let EVERYONE you had ever booted come back. You try to make it look like something it wasn't. I asked to come back, you acceded my request and I thanked you for it.

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No, you are wrong about this. You asked to come back in both March and June of 2006. I did not lift all bans and suspensions until Christmas, 2006. YOUR ban was lifted on July 3rd.

Wilomn said:

I did not, and was accompanied by many of your members, believe that I deserved to be booted when I was. Had I actually deserved it I seriously doubt I would have made the request. I have my own reckoning that I go by Rich, what is deserved and undeserved and I try to keep it even. I felt you owed me one. I asked for it, twice I believe, and you must have felt similarly because you granted my request. Since you granted my request, since you must have had at least some of the same thoughts about my not deserving to be booted, why do you keep trying to make it look like something it wasn't? You didn't HAVE to let me back. You did because, I think, you too keep a reckoning and you too thought I had one owed to me.

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LOL! Yeah.... right. No Wes. You deserved to get booted. Many times over, actually. And you WERE booted many times over via suspensions and paid the fines to come back.

Your first request for reinstatement in March of 2006 was denied. Then in late June you had obviously been keeping tabs on things here and asked if my rollback of the rules included letting you come back on. Since you (and others) had been banned or suspended for infractions that no longer existed when I rolled back the rules, I felt this was appropriate. It most definitely had no sort of "I owe you one" flavor about it.

Wilomn said:

That or the post count really was down and you just wanted me back to bring it up. That seems rather unlikely, about as unlikely as me actively wishing harm to your site, so I discount that thought out of hand.

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Actually traffic was slow at that time, and certainly may have been an influence. One thing you do bring to the plate is some substantial entertainment value. And at the time, that was what I felt most people wanted here. But I think it is growing old and people are tired of the reruns.

Wilomn said:

You know some of the changes you have made to this site were changes I was fairly sure you would make in responce to my game playing. That in itself is reward enough to play. I thought you would know and understand that. I'm sort of surprised that you didn't. Unless of course, you are just playing me now, which is always a possibility. I don't think so though.

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Ah, the grand master Wes. Making yourself a pain in the ass in order to get rules put into place against pains in the ass.

Wilomn said:

By the way, check your logs and see which mods I've questioned and why I've questioned them. IF you're openminded you may be surprised at what you see.

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Thanks, but no thanks. Been there and done that in the past just to find that the complainers were more interested in complaining rather than really accomplishing anything constructive. When such complaints are filed in the future, the complainant will weigh heavily in how seriously I take the complaints.

Wilomn said:

I am trying to play wisely, as you have suggested. In that vein do you think it wise to give free reign to mods like mr. clark and mr. frank? Where do you draw the line and take back the bought mod levels? How far down does one have to drag the other good mods before you take action? How many of your mods have to publicly disagree with the actions of one or two of their bretherin before something is done?

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Not your department, Wes. That's a management issue that I will deal with as necessary. I judge the mods by how they do their job here. Not by what other people think of them personally.

Wilomn said:

What kind of game is it when it's rigged for the house? How do you change the house rules when the house makes those rules? How would YOU get the rules changed if they were unfair or made the site look bad? Probably not by taking the same actions as I have but what if mine and yours arrived at the same end? What then?

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Seriously Wes, you expect me to fall for that one? You, magnanimous Wes, are willing to throw yourself on the sword in order to sacrifice yourself for the betterment of FaunaClassifieds??

Oh man, I'm going to wet myself............

Wilomn said:

Do you mods feel that I have intimidated you? Would you hold off dinging me for some reason?

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No, Wes, you have not intimidated me - and, just for the record, I have never been the recipient of harsh PMs, emails, or negative Karma for my dealings with you.

You know Rich, as cynical as I am, I think I have a better outlook, a willingness to see more possibilities, than you do. And that, Oh Great and Magnanimous King, is pretty damn sad.

Wilomn said:

Do you mods feel that I have intimidated you? Would you hold off dinging me for some reason?

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Nope.

If I see something that deserves a warning I always check and see if the poster has received warnings on it prior to when I saw it. If I feel that they've had sufficient warning points on it, I let it go. No point in piling more on if it's not something super serious.

Wilomn said:

You know Rich, as cynical as I am, I think I have a better outlook, a willingness to see more possibilities, than you do. And that, Oh Great and Magnanimous King, is pretty damn sad.

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Well Wes, that is certainly a debatable matter of opinion. Actually a quite humorous one. :laugh: :laugh: From your own words you are implying that you have a low opinion of your own outlook and find it sad to think someone else's could be lower than yours...... Obviously you feel that by saying someone has a lower outlook than you that this is a slap in the face to THEM. Which does nothing more than to show everyone your own opinion of yourself.

WebSlave said:

Well Wes, that is certainly a debatable matter of opinion. Actually a quite humorous one. :laugh: :laugh: From your own words you are implying that you have a low opinion of your own outlook and find it sad to think someone else's could be lower than yours...... Obviously you feel that by saying someone has a lower outlook than you that this is a slap in the face to THEM. Which does nothing more than to show everyone your own opinion of yourself.

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WHERE do you get this stuff? LOW? Opinion of myself? I'm the most arrogant bastard on the site.

Mabye you have a different definition of cynical than I do.

You seem to speak of "implications" frequently.

Why is that?

Well, whatever floats your boat I reckon.

Wes, to answer your question...No you dont intimidate no one here, not even the girls!

You walk a fine line my friend, normally with both feet over it.

Wilomn said:

Do you mods feel that I have intimidated you? Would you hold off dinging me for some reason?



I'd really like to know.

Thanks,
W

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