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chupacabra
02-25-2002, 06:29 PM
Hey Neil,
spam_How come everytime that I have been in your establishment you are smoking a cigarette in room filled with animals that are prone to respiratory infections? Don't some of these animals only have one lung? Also, everytime that I have come in to your store, at least a third of your cages (and that's letting you off easy) are soiled with feces? Now don't say that the feces are fresh because although some of them are, some has obviously been there for a couple of days. Now one would think that with all this cleaning that needs to be done, the staff would be hard at work. On the contrar, Neil is usually sitting on his posterior amidst a cloud of smoke watching television. Neil, I suggest that you improve your husbandry if you would like to have any sort of success in your local area instead of just on the internet (where the customer can only see the animal and not the conditions that it has unfortunately been subjected to). spam_

Sincerely,
Lennox Williamson

John Apple
02-25-2002, 06:38 PM
Wow
Why the attack?!?!
personal vendetta??
Neil smokes so WHAT!!!
Do you know someone N G does???
Any HARD facts supporting your cr@p??
Can't stand to see someone succeed??
I could go on and on but..... why?
thats how I see your post.....why??

SkyWolf
02-25-2002, 06:50 PM
I've been in the Snake Pit a few times... in fact I just bought a Sulcata from Neil. The store was as clean or cleaner than any I've seen and his housing is better than average as well. I've never seen any day old poop and neither did you.... although you do seem to be an expert at verbally spewing poop. He has lots of LARGE enclosures for animals that need them... most places have everything in 10 gallon tanks. I like the store. And I've seen MANY.

Mac

djocar
02-25-2002, 07:00 PM
Can't wait to see the reply's to this lovely person. &nbsp;Neil shouldn't have to defend himself against this attack. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
Belinda Cartwright.

HerpVenue
02-25-2002, 07:10 PM
I am not even gonna bother......
BUT

I somehow know that name.....why?

wait here it goes.

Dear Mr. Lennox Williamson or whatever your name is.
You are a true gentleman.. &nbsp;You honestly do care about these animals. &nbsp;I mean to go and attack Neal.... &nbsp;You must REALLY have these animals best interest at heart.

BUT WAIT

Why the internet? &nbsp;If you were so concerned why not tell him while you were at the store? &nbsp;(lack of bowling balls?)
Why not tell him in person instead of the public internet? (personal vendetta?)
Why run home and hide behind the computer? (lack of basket balls?)

Neil Gubitz
02-25-2002, 07:27 PM
Lennox...You are so FULL OF IT, it's PATHETIC!! Yeah, I smoke, Yeah, I watch TV at times....SO WHAT??? That store is IMMACULATE!! What's a matter, NO GUTS to say these things TO MY FACE??? EXACTLY which tanks have XXXX in them?? When you FEED your animals AS MUCH AS I DO....you're BOUND to get a LOT of feces....I do THE BEST I CAN to keep the tanks as clean as possible! What do you expect me to do? Hold some toilet paper under their ass when I see them crouchng?? Don't be an idiot! YOU try taking care of hundreds of animals and see if you don't have a stray piece of crap laying around from time to time??? I'll put the cleanliness of my store up against ANYBODY, and I bet I'll WIN!!
It's people like YOU that I usually wouldn't give the time of day because of your COWARDNESS....you don't like my store?? You don't like cigarettes? DON'T COME IN!! It's real easy! ....Neil

bssnakes
02-25-2002, 07:42 PM
Basket Balls!!! &nbsp;I'm thinkin this guy?? Might be packing acorns!! &nbsp;MAYBE Acorns. &nbsp;I know sometimes it's hard for me to speak my mind! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> LOL LOL!!! &nbsp;But this "lennox" is probably standing behind his mamma's skirt holding on to her leg, &nbsp;while she typed the post for him?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? &nbsp;But of course lennox might have been peaking while she did it!!!!!!
&nbsp; &nbsp; Tom

hanoverherps
02-25-2002, 07:53 PM
Hey Neil---don't sweat it. &nbsp;I don't know you and you probably don't know me, but if you ever had anything I needed, I would'nt hesitate to get it from you. &nbsp;Seeing your responses and reading on post's about you, I'm confident in the way you take care of your animals as I'm sure most people are. &nbsp;I've got close to 100 or so beardeds, rankin's, and geckos and unless you follow them around with a "Lennox Scooper" (aka- Pooper Scooper) &nbsp;you're bound to have a bit of 'lennox' (aka--Crap) here or there! &nbsp;Lennox--- &nbsp;Grow some dudes and go to the store and address your problems with Neil!

Rob @ RK Reptiles
02-25-2002, 08:13 PM
Neil,

You know as well as I know, your store is fine. &nbsp;Like I have said in the past you keep a nice clean store. &nbsp;I would not even sweat this person (if I have to call him a person) &nbsp;anyone with even a small set, will step up and say something to your face if in fact there was a problem. &nbsp;I guarantee there is not problem. &nbsp;I know how hard it is to keep care and clean of as many animals as I keep and I must say you do a fine job. &nbsp;My wife and I work full time jobs other than the Reptile Business and we are still working our assess off cleaning cages but sometimes something gets missed. &nbsp;BIG DEAL!! so it gets cleaned up next. &nbsp;AS far as smoking and watching TV HEY THIS IS AMERICA!!!! WE CAN SIT ON OUR ASSES AND DO WHAT WE WANT IN OUR OWN PLACE OF BUSINESS IF THATS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. &nbsp;I know you don't sit around on the tv all the time. &nbsp;#### everytime I talk to you on the phone (which is quite often) your running your ass off with customers. &nbsp;I am willing to bet this is the same person that was trying to slam you before. &nbsp;hmmmm maybe the person that owns another reptile store in the area that is afraid your taking their customers? &nbsp;OH F`IN WELL!! &nbsp;Don't even sweat it a minute Neil. &nbsp;WE GOT YOUR BACK!!! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

BigJim
02-25-2002, 08:22 PM
I spent two weeks in the Tampa area in December and got to spend some time with Neil and in his shop, everything seemed in perfect order to me and I did not see any of the things you described in your negative post! Neil has helped me at his own expense to purchase animals in the past and there are not many people that would do that! I dont even hold it against him that he is org from NY! lol &nbsp;I would recommend buying from Neil and I do not say that about allot of people as most of you know! Take care bro and I am looking forward to coming back down to Tampa soon! Regards, Jim Elliott <Razorbackherps>

Sean Belanger
02-25-2002, 08:39 PM
I've been in Neil's store a couple of times in the past 3 years and yeah I've seen some poop here...some crap there...but that is only to be expected. I'm sure Neil doesn't have the time to check for poop every half hour so cut the guy some slack. You've got to realize he's running a business, snakes are going to poop, and you can't have every single cage cleaned all day long before someone comes along and sees some crap! I thought his store was rather clean...especially after some of the stores I've been to. Neil's store smelled good, is very organized, and the guy is more than eager to help you any way he can. I don't necessarily agree with the smoking inside the store but then I don't remember seeing Neil smoke when I was in there...I can't complain.
So when and if you're in their the next time...if you see some poop...why not mention it to Neil....bring it to his attention. He'll probably thank you for letting him know so he can attend to it.

pat murphy
02-25-2002, 08:54 PM
i have been to Neils store before and i have seen ALOT worse then that in the tampa bay area,neils store couldnt be more clean,.As far as a old feces is concerned i dont know what you are talking about,i havent seen any old ****'* anywhere in any of the cages.
Neil i love the olive python,keep it up man.
pat murphy

vettesherps
02-25-2002, 10:39 PM
Neil,

I am sure you don't know me, but I visited your store almost 5 years ago on a trip to the Bahamas and then driving through Florida. I bought an awesome male green burm and you shippped it to me on teh day I was leavign Florida. It is an excellent animal and I found that your store was not only in great condition but your animal were all in excellent health and your personnel were most helpful.

Thanks and keep up the good work.
vette

George Gunther

Wisconsin

bigapple
02-25-2002, 10:44 PM
Neil,

It's not really necessary for you to respond to this individual's attack. Your reputation speaks for itself and your many customers and associates have already posted to indicate your superb care of your reptiles. I have sent many of our customers to you and all have been satisified.

Our corporate policy is generally not to recommend specific livestock dealers. However, we regularly send customers to you because we know they will get top quality reptiles and service. Thanks for the excellent service you have always provided to our customers.

Steven Spitz
President
Big Apple Herpetological, Inc.
http://www.bigappleherp.com

John Apple
02-26-2002, 05:41 AM
Hmmmmm
No responce from this yo-yo Lennox
Real name.....don't think so
loser....... think so
coward......definately

chupacabra
02-26-2002, 02:09 PM
Well. well, well. It's your old pal Lennox again. Sorry it took so long to reply but I didn't have the time to stay on the computer to wait for the sheep to jump off the cliff.
spam_ First and foremost my post was not an attack, it was simply and rather politely a series of questions. Then an enterage of internet body guards came to his defense in a not so amiable manner. I only asked Neil a few questions.
spam_ I was even kind enough to offer some advice at the end of my post in order to help him out (buisness wise). I didn't want Neil to lose anymore customers for the same reason that he lost me. The only reason that I have frequented the store on more than one occasion was to buy rodents. This is because I had recently spam_moved to the area, and he was the only source that I knew of at the time. Due to what I saw and experienced during my short visits, Neil lost me as a customer that was going to purchase anything besides a couple of rodents. Eventually, I decided that I would no longer even purchase rodents there. I now drive out of my way in order to avoid any contact with Neil or the store. This is to show how strongly I feel about what I have stated.
spam_ In response to those who have stated that the store is clean, maybe my information is outdated. Perhaps Neil has changed his ways, although I doubt it. Also, I'm assuming that since spam_the people that posted can type, than they can also read. Therefor, my qualm with the feces situation is that the majority of the feces that I saw in the cages were not fresh (this was stated in my original post). I am by no means a reptile expert or a vet for that matter, but it is to my understanding that feces that is left standing in an animal's habitat can lead to certain infections and parasites. Even if this is not the case, it is simply not in good hygiene.
spam_ spam_Another topic that I would like to address is everyone's spam_fascination with my genatalia. Almost everyone that has responded to my original post had more to say about my glands than reptiles. For a minute I felt as though I was in the "homosexual reptile owners" forum. If you would really like to find out more information about my package please start another thread because that is not related to my original post. Those interested can contact me and we can discuss all the "ins" and "outs" of my members, but until then leave the 'boys' out of this one.
spam_ There are a couple of reasons why I didn't address this topic in person. First, because as a customer, I have the right to choose where to spend my money; yet this does not give me the right to tell someone how to run their business. That is exactly why I asked Neil "a few questions" instead of telling him how to run his store. Another reason, froma business standpoint, is since I only purchased rodents from Neil, I am not viewed as a valuable customer. This results in my opinion having less value than my patronage. Yet another reason that I didn't address this in person, is because I know how people like Neil react to criticism. Rather than discussing his reasons for his poor husbandry with me, I imagine he would get confrontational and grow hostile. Proof of this is how he reacted to my questions( which I repeat, were not attacks). He responded with what I would call less than polite adjectives. I didn't recall setting this sort of tone in my original post. So that is why I didn't address this in person. I doubt it would have changed anything. The cons simply outweighed the pros. Now on the other hand, posting this on the board will undoubtedly change the situation. Whether anyone believes me or not is irrelevant. Maybe some people will drop by the store unexpectedly to decide for themselves. Perhaps I will visit the store one last time to take a few pics of what I am speaking of. Out of fear of this, I am sure that Neil will probably step up the quality in his husbandry; he doesn't want anyone to know that I am speaking the truth. So the next time that Neil walks by a cage that is in need of some maintenance, I am sure he will think twice before ignoring it. Thus, the goal of my original post has already been accomplished. What goal you ask, is the better treatment of animals (reptiles in particular). My goal was not and never will be to hurt anyone's business; I don't want to jeopardize anyone's livelihood. The only time I have problem with this type of business is when someone is exploiting the animals that I find so dear; whether or not Neil is responsible for this I'm not equipped to say; I obviously have a biased opinion.
spam_ I would also like to urge many of the people on this board to think for themselves. You can only judge a small amount of a person's character by what he/she posts on this board. Like I already stated, whether you believe me or not, my goal has already been accomplished. Do not assume that because someone presents themselves in a certain way over the phone or the net that you received an accurate representation of their character. That person could be blowing smoke directly up your rectum, in Neil's case you just might get real smoke (complete with carcinogens)
spam_ That brings me to the next topic. Some of you on here took what I posted completely out of context. I do not care if anyone smokes. My father still smokes, my mother smoked for almost 15 years, I smoked for five, and my brother has smoked on and off for the past 5 years as well. It is a fact that smoking kills millions of humans every year; now one would be hardpressed to get me to believe that smoking isn't ten times more lethal to reptiles than it is to humans. Our lungs are much more resistant to the damage due to smoking. Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't many reptiles already prone to respiratory infections? Now what if you throw carcinogenic smoke into the equation? Some poeple even stated that we as Americans have the right to smoke in our businesses. Would any of you tell your brain surgeon that he can't have a cigarette before he performs an eight hour procedure in your head? Probably not. But I'm sure the same people would prefer the doctor refrain from smoking during the procedure. How would you feel if you saw someone smoking in a room full of newborms and premature babies? I'd hope you would be disgusted. That is exactly what some of our reptiles are; hatchlings= "newborns" wild-caught imports = "premature". Whether you value the life of a child more or less than that of a reptile is irrelevant. We are still discussing living beings that are very susceptible to their outside surroundings. Lets face it, the odds are stacked against a lot of reptiles especially in the earlier stages of their lives. Why then increase the odds even more by voluntarily suscepting them to carcinogens from your cigarette, when the door is a mere 10 feet away from where you are sitting. It is for this reason that I find Rob's statement: "AS far as smoking and watching TV HEY THIS IS AMERICA!!!! WE CAN SIT ON OUR ASSES AND DO WHAT WE WANT IN OUR OWN PLACE OF BUSINESS IF THATS WHAT WE WANT TO DO" to be particularly simian and ignorant. Not only that, but I disagree with your entire statement; just because you live in America does not give you the right to voluntarily subject reptiles to carcinogens. I'd hope you would not like it if your local exotic vet examined your five year old burm that has an R.I. spam_with a cigarette in his hand and watching Crocodile Hunter at the same time. Put a bit more thought into what you say before you grab your "Caveman's Guide To Cliches".
spam_ I was disappointed to see your post Tom McCarthy. You have been so helpful to me in the past. I admire your business and your service (not to mention your cages). You came to mind when I was contemplating who is an example of a good breeder and reptile keeper. Having been in contact with you is one of the reasons that I found Neil's service sub-par.
spam_ Despite the great detective work, I am not the owner of a reptile business or any business for that matter. I'm simply a college student studyiong Chemistry and who has a small collection of snakes and turtles Thus this post was not an attempt to gain customers. I'm assuming that the detectives on this board think that I am somehow connected to Josie's Exotic Pets, the other reptile store in Neil's area. Wrong, she too smokes in her store with all windows and doors closed (except she does smoke quite a bit more than Neil). She is also painfully ignorant. Her place is a bit on the cleaner side of things though.
spam_ I believe I have addressed all the topics that I desired. I can't wait to hear your responses.

Sincerely,
Lennox Williamson

HerpVenue
02-26-2002, 02:16 PM
That is wonderful that you can "ask questions"
but if you were so concerened about the animals why did you not "ask questions" while there at the store.

As aforementioned.....lack of genitalia

BserMpentX
02-26-2002, 02:31 PM
Richie Luna acts like a 5th grade school yard bully. Lennox was being completely rational and reasonable and Richie goes and acts like a immature boy.
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; another local collector,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Gary Ellis

bssnakes
02-26-2002, 02:47 PM
Lennox Williamson,Gary Ellis OR WHATEVER NAME YOU ARE USING TODAY!!!!!!!!
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; #1 I am not the same Tom McCarthy that you mentioned! That Tom McCarthy is the owner of
"McCarthysBoas" Are you clear on that?? All you have to do is read the entire post!! So much for college?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

&nbsp; &nbsp;#2 I am sure that I am not the only one here that is happy to see, that you decided to use one name TWO TIMES IN A ROW!!!!! If it takes you 3 tries to figure out what your real name is??? Why should anybody believe anything else that you say?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;My guess is that sometime in the past Neil has said something that rubbed you wrong. And it has taken a while for you to figure out how to get back at him! I know I am going out on a limb here? &nbsp;But from your last post(and I am only guessing) that you probably still drive a YUGO!!!
&nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

Chondrophiles
02-26-2002, 03:27 PM
why does this guys statements have to be a grudge thing. is it impossible that he's just stating facts that he experienced? i thought this board was a place for sharing experiences with others to know who to do business with. how many neil defenders have actually even purchased an animal from him? do you people think that just because a guy can make you laugh that he's a good guy? i will say that neil has definately made some changes in his store, but he's not nearly the god you people view him as. why not go have a look at the quality emerald tree boas that neil presently has for sale. real nice specimens (for the freezer that is).
this place started out to be a very informative place to learn of good and bad experiences people have had with sellers, but he's right, this place has become a little clique and neil is the leader. not sure how neil pulled it off, but he's fooled you all. i've let this alone for quite some time as again, neil is making changes, but you people need to start thinking for yourselves instead of just jumping on someone for insulting your god.
my 2 cents which won't mean crap cause i only post here once in a blue moon,
steve barringer

Ken Harbart
02-26-2002, 03:33 PM
Wow Lennox, that was a very long, somewhat incoherent, bit of pseudoreasoning that you posted there. I won't even address "Gary Ellis" any further because he's already demonstrated how much of a joke he is. The idiot can't even get his own lies straight.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well. well, well. It's your old pal Lennox again. Sorry it took so long to reply but I didn't have the time to stay on the computer to wait for the sheep to jump off the cliff.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sheep don't jump off cliffs Lennox. If you're going to try to insult someone with an analogy, get it right. Lemmings are the animals that jump off cliffs.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First and foremost my post was not an attack, it was simply and rather politely a series of questions. Then an enterage of internet body guards came to his defense in a not so amiable manner. I only asked Neil a few questions.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah Lennox- you're a regular saint. Your post was no less an ad hominem attack than the subsequent replies that it received.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In response to those who have stated that the store is clean, maybe my information is outdated. Perhaps Neil has changed his ways, although I doubt it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
This statement shows that you have developed your prjudice, and will not accept any other answer. Why not go in there and see if you are wrong, or is it just easier to hold on to that prejudice?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Another topic that I would like to address is everyone's &nbsp;fascination with my genatalia.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Replies about a person's lack of gonads can be expected when that person goes about things in the wrong way. The correct way to deal with any problem is to first address it with that person. Always start things out at the lowest level. Unfortunately, your rationale on why you didn't say anything to Neil in person is merely pseudoreasoning. Lennox, if you believe that rationale, you are only lying to yourself.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Richie Luna acts like a 5th grade school yard bully. Lennox was being completely rational and reasonable and Richie goes and acts like a immature boy.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Oh what the heck. I know I said I wasn't going to further address the village idiot, but he makes it so tempting. Gary, does it make you a little bit jealous that Ritchie at least knows his own name? Or is it that he's honest, and you're not?

bssnakes
02-26-2002, 03:56 PM
Steve Barringer,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Are you and lennox related?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> In your post's it is hard to tell the two of you apart??
Was your post a grudge THING??

&nbsp;Steve quote: &nbsp; why not go have a look at the quality emerald tree boas that neil presently has for sale. real nice specimens (for the freezer that is).
&nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Tom

Neil Gubitz
02-26-2002, 03:59 PM
Lennox and Gary....First of all, If you HAD said something while you were IN my store....I take ALL comments SERIOUSLY! I have NO PROBLEM with criticism! How else are you going to LEARN?? What I WON'T stand for are people that don't have the GUTS to TALK to me face to face, but have to HIDE behind a computer to get their (so-called) point across! I suppose neither one of you would mind somebody writing that your whole collection of reptiles were NOT being fed for weeks at a time and there were EMPTY waterbowls in ALL your tanks (which are WAY TOO SMALL for your animals)!! How would YOU defend against that?? You wouldn't like it a bit, would you! I'm SURE you would prefer me to tell you in person that the waterbowls could use some water in them...that way, you could either take care of the problem, or tell me to stick it somewhere and mind my own business! Well, I'M NOT LIKE THAT!! I have NO PROBLEM with CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM SAID TO MY FACE (like an ADULT with NOTHING to hide!<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>!! You can bring AS MANY CAMERAS AS YOU WANT into my store and take ALL THE PICTURES YOU WANT....I couldn't care less! I am NOT going to change A THING because there is NOTHING wrong with the way I keep my store! I have over 60 separate tanks in that store and EVERY DAY we thoroughly clean at least 10 of those tanks...which means that every tank gets TOTALLY cleaned once a week AT LEAST!! If I see one of my animals has just taken a nice healthy crap...I clean it IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner! I work 6 days a week for 10 hours a day in that store! You have NO CLUE the amount of work I do in the mornings BEFORE people start bombarding me with sales in the afternoons...by that time, I'm exhausted! So, for MOST of the afternoon, I sit and relax in between customers! EVERY PERSON that walks into my store gets a friendly Hello first thing! I'm NOT going to follow them around the store like some moronic salesman only trying to make a sale...I don't force anybody into anything! If they have questions, I answer EVERY ONE of them, and I'll spend as much time as needed to make sure they're happy with what they might get! And that includes AFTER the sale as well! It doesn't matter if you're there to buy a pair of Albino Boas or 25 crickets....I treat everybody the same! If you can't handle my smoking...I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is...live with it or stay away! Are you going to tell me that if I walked into your house RIGHT NOW, I wouldn't find ONE piece of something in ANY tank?? I doubt it! I just think it's time for the BOTH of you to get a REALITY CHECK! NOTHING can stay spotless ALL THE TIME! There are A LOT of other things to do in a STORE than just following animals around waiting for them to do their thing! I do the BEST I can at ALL TIMES!! I can't tell you how many times the Fish and Game Officer has come into the store RAVING about how clean it is! And, they're ALWAYS there because SOMEONE has made an ANONOMOUS complaint which they HAVE NO CHOICE but to check out.....they are MORE THAN WELCOME in my store at ANY TIME WITHOUT WARNING!! I've got NOTHING to hide!
The TWO OF YOU are STILL welcome in my store! If I've offended you with a piece of chit somewhere, than I truly apologize! If there was a way to put diapers on the animals, I would, just so I can make you happy! But, these are animals that don't have the sense of a box of rocks! You've just got to do what you've got to do, and let the chips fall where they will! AGAIN...I'll put my store up against ANYBODY'S! I have 1750 Sq Feet to keep clean....the OTHER stores around here are MUCH smaller....which makes it A LOT easier to KEEP clean....I do the best I can and that's ALL I'm going to do! As I've said before, I'm NOT mad at you for voicing your opinions, I just wish you were able to tell me PERSONALLY! ....Neil

HerpVenue
02-26-2002, 04:13 PM
Tom, &nbsp;Stephen is a good guy. &nbsp;I can vouch for him...he does exist. &nbsp;Unlke the others who do not know their names.

Steve...you are absolutley right. spam_It does not have to be a grudge thing...it can be the truth.
IF it is the truth...why did he post under a fake name?


Gary, or whatever your name is.
you might think I am a school boy bully.
But at least I know what my name is.


I am through with this thread..........(for now)
it has been degraded to shool boy chit.

I should not have expected anything less...specially since it was started by some guy who does not know his name.

peace out
I no longer want to discuss anything with a guy who does not know his name.

HallsHerps
02-26-2002, 04:28 PM
ok here my thoughts on all of this ,
first id like to say hey &nbsp;im new ! &nbsp;so i only know of neil from the things i read on here and only herei can say i do think Neil would be a likeable &nbsp;person , i can say i think Neil can be a source of information, and he has already shown atleast to me with the few things i have seen him do , granted ya no biggie so he gave someone some ball pythons ... as a " nice guy gesture " to boost his standings well thats how you may look at it and others to and even me , but guess what ? it worked &nbsp;now as far as his &nbsp;store i have never been close to it but i have seen stores 100 x's worse then you even begin to say his was , ya know what i do ...? i say it there &nbsp; because if you dont do you really think they are goin to change anything over a note posted here or anywhere? i mean the perfect answer is yes i would care but hey lets face it you dont , well atleast i dont in my line of work , because my work speaks for itself ! nay sayers are like pawns there only PRO active when you say it to who matters and who has the ability to "see it with there own eyes" now you say there was poop in the cage no biggie what i do i look at the location of the store the employees of a store and then come back the next day &nbsp;unless godforbid its just horrid conditions. well i guess what im saying and all others are is its always better to be proactive then reactive . now in closing ill say this &nbsp;you want to see the worst conditions in a petshop drive to Cary NC and have a look in the "Fish & reptile emporium" ill add a post on them soon as i finish here &nbsp; and like i said im no chearleader i just am saying what i think .. if it matters . have a good day
Alan Hall &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

bssnakes
02-26-2002, 05:05 PM
Hey Ritchie,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;No problem. I know who Steve Barringer is. And I did NOT say that he is a bad guy. If he has had a bad deal with Neil? Then he should start a thread. Or just spit it out as to what happened. But For Steve to show up and make cute little quotes like:

why not go have a look at the quality emerald tree boas that neil presently has for sale. real nice specimens (for the freezer that is).

To me, it makes him sound just like the guy he is trying to defend!!!!
&nbsp;Just my opinion!
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

chupacabra
02-26-2002, 05:09 PM
I'd like to address a topic again. My genitalia has nothing to do with me not mentioning anything while at the store. I have already provided my reasons. As for the comments of me being "scared" or a "coward", I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean scared of what he would physically do than that is simply preposterous. I'm a medium sized healthy young man with no balls (so I hear); Neil does not have the lung capacity to deal with an opponent of that size. But let's not get into this whole macho load of unattended feces.
spam_ The times that I have been in the store he has fed me a lot of garbage assuming that I know nothing about reptiles. Rather than notify him that I do know quite a bit about reptiles I let him finish, figuring that the crap would eventually end. I just assumed that if I mentioned anything about what I thought was wrong with his husbandry I would be in for another long speel. No thanks.
spam_ Also I apologize to Tom for the mix up. I knew something was amiss b/c the Tom I spoke with seemed very intelligent and was always very helpful; you seem...well...quite the opposite. Sorry again for the mix up. Also Tom, I think that you have been watching too much Scooby-Doo. There is no need for the detective work. Why keep guessing my motives when I already stated them clear as day. Oh, almost forgot... I drive a Honda Civic. Nice try.

"I would have gotten away with it to, if it was for you dang kids....and that stupid dog"

Also in response to Ken's statement: "Sheep don't jump off cliffs Lennox. If you're going to try to insult someone with an analogy, get it right. Lemmings are the animals that jump off cliffs."
Yes you are correct lemmings do jump off cliffs, anyone who has watched Saturday morning cartoons should know that. Yet, sheep have also been known to follow the sheep in front of them, even if its off the end of a cliff. Hence the necessity for a shepherd.

Also I would also like to clarify that I am not Steve B. or Gary, but I unfortunately saw some Emeralds in pretty bad shape; I'm not sure if that is what Steve is referring to. I would have mentioned the conditions of the Emeralds but from what I understand, sometimes even the best husbandry leads to failure with this species.

Ritchie, this post was started by me (Lennox) not Gary. So if you decided to read the thread again you can keep on posting b/c I DO know my name.

It's kind of sad how I have to spend most of my time responding to Neil's bodyguards rather than to Neil.

There are a couple of other things that I have seen at the store that I disagree with, but i won't address them since the majority of you have made up your minds before you even finished reading my posts.

Thanks to Neil for responding. Although I disagree with you on a couple of the things you said, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you have changed your husbandry in the past 3 months or so. The store may be as clean as can be now, but I find it hard to believe that you were keeping up with the daily maintenance as much as you elude to be during the time when I was frequenting the store. If your store is clean now, I commend you...you had a lot of work on your hands. One more question...have you ever tried the patch. spam_


To all who are interested, I will be starting a new thread to discuss my jewels pretty soon. So until then give it a rest.

Sincerely,
Lennox Williamson?

HerpVenue
02-26-2002, 05:21 PM
go ahead and address the other concerns...you already opened up a can of worms.............

here is my point.....people I know and trust have been to his store and speak highly of it. &nbsp;You on the other hand..I do not know...

So who do you think I would believe? &nbsp;my friends who have proven their honesty to me time and time again? &nbsp;or some guy over the internet that "could" have been made up. &nbsp;In the past people seem to exist just to post bad about other people.
I am not sayijng that is you. &nbsp;But you have to understand. &nbsp;The people here at the BOI have almost seen it all.....so they are very weary.

But yes you are very entitled to post your opinions. &nbsp;And as aforementioned. &nbsp;I do see your point.....but I hope you see ours and where we are coming from.

see ya

SkyWolf
02-26-2002, 05:29 PM
<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
Like I said. I've been in Neil's store a few times and I've purchased an animal from the store. My experience is quite the opposite of your's. The store is one of the better from Tallahassee to Ft. Myers. I'm not new to the area.. so I know. Neil does a pretty good job....especially for a business.
That said... I noticed that you didn't have anything to say RE my previous response. &nbsp;Tough to counter the truth of my direct observations?
As for your genitalia...you seem to be all genitalia to me. IE, you are a dick. You are also a little bitch.. or you would have addressed your "problems" with Neil directly. You did not use this board for what it's intended. You did not investigate the situation to see if you caught him on a bad day. You merely posted an attack. And that's ALL it was. THEN you act surprised when everyone points out just what a little bitch you are. Your butt-buddie Gary is worse than you are.

Mac

Neil Gubitz
02-26-2002, 05:38 PM
Lennox....As I said before...if you, or Steve or anybody would stand up and tell me WHAT I'm doing wrong (AND NOT IN A PUBLIC FORUM) as far as my husbandry goes...There are A LOT of things I don't know! I'm ALWAYS willing to learn? If you know THAT MUCH...why would you NOT want to help me out?? That INCLUDES Steve!! Whom I THOUGHT was my friend!! The two Emmys in question, I've had for TWO YEARS!! They came in to me A MESS!! Both STEVE and I didn't think they'd make it through the NIGHT! Steve knows EXACTLY when I got those snakes AND the condition they were in! He's been in my store COUNTLESS times. We would ALWAYS walk all over the store just talking about the different animals and joking around....NOT ONCE did he EVER tell me WHAT to do for those kids!! I can't TELL YOU how many conversations we've had about THOSE TWO ANIMALS!! AND, I e-mailed him PERSONALLY of my displeasure at how he handled this matter! Just for the record....they are BOTH STILL ALIVE AFTER TWO YEARS!! I have given them SO MUCH TLC that now, the Male is eating on his own without regurging for about 6 months now....he looks great! The Female, on the other hand, still has a ways to go...she's eating on her own all the time, but she keeps regurging every so often.....I'll get her better, though...eventually! They might have ALREADY been healthy IF there were some "friends" who claim to know it all about Emmys, that could have HELPED me!! I've gone so far as to force feed them (for quite a while in the past) a mixture of Gerber's Baby Food mixed with a little Pedialite.... Turkey-basted down her throat! It's kept her alive for all this time until she started eating on her own!! I think I'm doing a VERY GOOD job with them...seeing as I've had NO HELP!! Thanks Steve! As I told Steve in my personal email....With "friends" like that...who needs ENEMAS!!

Lennox....Ya see...most people tell me if I quit smoking, I'll add ten years to my life...BUT...they're the LAST TEN!! What am I missing?? The DROOLING years???
I could quit smoking, start eating healthy and start working out again...and I'll be the first guy to go out and get hit by a BUS!! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> ....Neil

Neil Gubitz
02-26-2002, 06:05 PM
I've got a better idea!! I DARE YOU ALL!!! I left the store today at Noon and I won't be back in the store till Thursday morning!! Angela (my store's manager) has NO IDEA about this thread (YET)...I am NOT going to tell her to do ANYTHING different than what I usually do when she calls me at closing time! I DARE YOU!! Go into the store TOMORROW (Wed.) and YOU TELL ME what you find!! Just make sure you have a boiling pot of water ready for the CROW you're going to be swollowing!! This is for Lennox, Gary, Steve, Janice and ANYBODY else who wants to SEE FOR THEMSELVES!! PLEASE!!!! ....Neil

Beth
02-26-2002, 06:39 PM
have you a$$holes got nothing better to do? spam_I couldn't tell you what Neil or his store for that fact from any other, but who the he&& are you to be so ventictive towards him? spam_Personal attack? spam_Jealousy? spam_Childishness? spam_Boardom? spam_Grow up you babies.....
Neil is a class act guy, has never met me or my family before a day in his life or ours, and he went out of his way, and without any hesitation what so ever, did the most kindest thing that a person could have.....unlike yourselves.... spam_Neil never asked for anything, didn't even want shipping for what he sent me,....and to boot, I got a very cool bumper sticker that my kid stole and is now on his bedroom door with a very tasteless picture of Steve Erwin wrestling a gator...HEE HEE thanks Neil....
Secondly, I have Cancer......and the funny thing is......I SMOKE!!!! spam_ spam_you know what? spam_It's none of your Go$ Darned business either!!!! spam_If you don't like it, then I suggest you start holding your breath a little longer.....don't forget....we wouldn't want you to suffocate now would we <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
My specialist wishes everyone in the country smoked.....his exact words are "it's the non-smokers in this bloody country that is sucking up the health system $$$$.......with them living to riper old ages of 85-100., they cost the gov't more money to keep alive than the smokers do.....the smokers die younger and don't eat up all the $$$$....it is the older people that require homes, meds, health nurses, special diets, hip replacements etc,.....that costs the most." spam_
What ever beef you have with Neil....choke it up buddy and move on....what ever he has done in the past, leave it as that. spam_This is now you cowards, so push off before you really pi$$ me off.....never seen a very angry Canadian on Chemotherapy before?!!! spam_Find something better to do, and if you don't like his store....then stay the fu%& out!!!! spam_
NEIL, spam_ SMOKE AWAY!!!!! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Beth
<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> spam_<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

bssnakes
02-26-2002, 06:47 PM
lennox,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Why do you compare everyone that speaks their mind about what your motives are to a cartoon?? &nbsp;It sounds to me that you are stuck on the cartoons! &nbsp;And I do understand!! It is obvious that college is not in your best interest. &nbsp;In other words it's a waste of your time. &nbsp;Now why don't you take time out of your busy schedule? LOL! And tell us what the real problem that you have with Neil is. &nbsp;Its simple lennox? If that is you real name??? You are nothing more than a chicken
$h!t, back stabbing little weasel! No matter how long they let you stay in college that will never change. &nbsp;Now take a deep breath! Pull your pants up real tight so that it liooks like you have something between your legs?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?
&nbsp; &nbsp;And tell us what the real problem is?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom

John Apple
02-26-2002, 07:12 PM
OK
Go in Neil's store and take pics, he offered anytime
It seems a clique is started ,no, I don't think so,just a bunch of honest herpers
Neil= God....cmon man is no god
Neil has had many good deals via internet and his store
so whats the problem
Oh and off the track of the topic, I have met Stephen Barringer and he is a good guy in my book[but I think you were a little hard on the beav Steve]
peace

Dave Lawson
02-26-2002, 07:39 PM
I have read this thread from the start and I have started several time to post but decided to let it go.It is no secret that Neil and I are friends.I have been in his store more then likely more than any of you.I have a habit of going into anyone place and checking out all the the cages and I do it everytime I go to Neils and I have yet to see 1 dead animal in a tank but I have seen droppings but they were fresh,See Neil's store manager Angie is a clean freak and she knows how to take care of the animals and in my opinion does a better job then most people I know.The 1 point that you are missing is that this is a "PET STORE" and and far as pets stores go it is cleaner than most every other one I have seen. Which brings me to another point,Neil you need to hang on to Angie with both hands she is worth her weight in gold. &nbsp; So unless you have been into the store and personally witnessed rotting ,s#!t covered bodies please do not repeat rumors.
<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

Ken Harbart
02-26-2002, 08:47 PM
Ah yes, to be in college again and know it all. All, that is, except for how to properly deal with an interpersonal issue.

Chondrophiles
02-26-2002, 08:47 PM
just wanted to clear a couple things up then i'm out.
first someone mentiuoned i was defending lennox. this was not the case, i have no idea who lennox is so no reason to defend him. i was only trying to point out the fact that it seemed people are no longer even considering what a new perosn has to say, you just jump right on top of them if it's not what you wanna hear.
second, i was not trying to rag on neil, go back and read my post. it says right in the post that neil has made alot of changes. i applaude neil for the steps he's taken, but there are still flaws, hence my mentioning the emeralds. neil has notified me that these animals aren't for sale. how true that is i can't say as he seemed pretty willing to sell them to me a couple months back.
thirdly, on the emmy subject, neil i think you're mixing me up with someone else. i do not claim to know everything about emmys, #### i don't claim to know hardly anything about emmys. i keep chondros and only dabble a little in emmys. if i knew how to help those snakes neil, you know they'd be helped!! right?
those of you who know me know my passion for these animals, i wouldn't let an animal suffer if i had the key to save it. to suggest i would is laughable (as neil would put it). my apologies if i came on strong people, i'm very passinate about herps and things come out wrong sometimes.
anyways, i'm out, take care all,
steve

chupacabra
02-26-2002, 09:38 PM
In attempt to end or at least clarify this whole drama... My problem with Neil has long ended. My only motive was my concern for the herps. Its that simple. Since Neil says that everything is clean and in good condition, and since a few members of the gang here, who have been there more recently than myself, can vouch for this....mission accomplished. No underlying plots, or alibis, or aliases; I was just concerned for the animals. I apologize if my intent was not clear.

Ritchie, thanks for understanding my intent and my point. I think I understand where you guys are coming from.

Thank you Robert Myers for your wonderful insight. I've learned my lesson, next time I've got a problem with someone I'll pull out my battle axe and bludgeon them. You are definetly the toughest guy on the board. I'm just a little bitch with no balls that fabricated this whole sherade because I got tired of watching my unit shrivel. Actually everyone is wrong, I'm an undercover PETA agent working on a big sting operation in attemp to stop the unethical treatment of feeder rodents. Actually, its time to come clean; my real name is Bob Clark, you might have heard of me

In response to beth, how many times do I need to say that my problem is not whether or not one smokes. My problem is with someone who smokes in an unventilated room full of herps.

Tom, Tom, Tom...you poor soul. The more you respond the more you reveal how painfully stupid you are. I could be wrong but I only recall mentioning cartoons twice. Also I still don't see the relevance of the Yugo comment. I also don't quite understand what you meant by this "And I do understand!! It is obvious that college is not in your best interest." I'm dying to hear your response; I'm sure it will be well thought out. People like yourself are making my boys pretty popular around here.

In response to Ken's college comment. It is ok to be wrong. I understand it may sting a bit when a younger person lets you know that you slipped up, but nevertheless it is ok. Relax, you were partially correct. &nbsp;

Sincerely,
Lennox Williamson




















Oh, I mean sincerely Bob Clark

thomas davis
02-26-2002, 09:50 PM
WOW !!!!!! FAR-OUT,,,,UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,TRULY AMAZING <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> ,,SO LENNOXX'S POST DID SEEM LIKE A VENDETTA AGAINST NEIL ,BUT ALSO LENNOXX HAS BEEN BLATANTLY ATTACKED FOR POSTING AT ALL?? <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> ?? WE ALL NEED TO REALIZE##### #### HAPPENS#####,,AND REMEMBER WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR?/! THE ARGUEING AND ATTACKING WHEN SOMEONE STATES AN OPINION HAS GOT TO STOP ,REMEMBER OPINIONS ARE LIKE A$$HOLES EVERYONE HAS ONE AND THEY ALL STINK!!!! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> ,,,,,PEACE,,THOMAS DAVIS T&SREPTILE FARM

Neil Gubitz
02-26-2002, 09:50 PM
Lennox....First of all...I really don't think Bob would like what you just did! That said....my store is VERY WELL ventilated...I have a front door AND a back door! The BACK door has a LARGE exhaust fan in it which is on 24/7...and when the front door is open....which happens every minute or two....the air gush is GREAT!! Again....please try and get the facts, first??? ....Neil

bssnakes
02-26-2002, 10:06 PM
lennox,
&nbsp; &nbsp; Well as painfully stupid as I may be?? &nbsp;At least I was right about one thing! &nbsp;You have no balls. You have to sneak around pretending to be who?? &nbsp;In my book it does not matter who you are! Your actions speak loudest! And your actions are saying that you are an @$$HOLE
&nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

Ken Harbart
02-26-2002, 10:28 PM
Lennox, much like a neutered dog, you just don't get it. Unfortunately, you probably never will either.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In response to Ken's college comment. It is ok to be wrong. I understand it may sting a bit when a younger person lets you know that you slipped up, but nevertheless it is ok. Relax, you were partially correct. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Let's see... what was I correct about? Was it-
1) The fact that your analogy was nonsensical
2) The fact that your post was nothing more than a thinly veiled ad hominem attack?
3) The fact that you failed to address this issue properly?
4) The fact that you attempted to justify your failure to address the issue properly with pseudoreasoning.
5) All of the above

As for you 'letting me know that I slipped up, please excuse me while I laugh at that claim. I can promise you, nothing here stings.

Lennox, you weren't attacked by anyone because you have a negative opinion of Neil. You were attacked because you did it in a cowardly & tactless fashion. You can make all the excuses for why you were attacked, but nothing changes the truth of the matter- it's not a clique; it's not because you're an "unknown name"; nor is it because you're new here. It's simply because you chose to go about things the wrong way.

reptyls
02-26-2002, 10:34 PM
Ive been in neils store on a few occasions and that place has always been on of the cleanest shops Ive been in. Neil has also been very friendly and helpful also. &nbsp;You must have gone into the wrong store dumbass.
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brian K. MacDonald

HerpVenue
02-26-2002, 10:40 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chupacabra @ Feb. 26 2002,16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since Neil says that everything is clean and in good condition, and since a few members of the gang here, who have been there more recently than myself, can vouch for this</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wait...when were you in there last.
can't tell weather it was a long loong looong time ago or just recently.

Neil Gubitz
02-26-2002, 11:00 PM
I think I came up with a way that you folks out there can at least get an idea of what my enclosures look like.... MOST of the pictures you will see were taken of the animal IN THEIR OWN TANK! These pics were taken BEFORE all of THIS started.....now...follow this CAREFULLY!! The link below will get you to EVERY ONE OF MY 138 PICTURES!! If you notice the ONLY "ZERO" in the link....if you keep CHANGING THAT NUMBER from 0-138, you will see ALL my animals (some duplicated by mistake) most of which are in their own tanks when the picture was taken....you can see for yourself!! Sort of....


http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=0&courtesy=1)

Neil Gubitz
02-26-2002, 11:05 PM
Well...THAT didn't work! If you want to Email me...I'll send you the WHOLE link with the ZERO in it! ....Neil

Audrina Head
02-26-2002, 11:50 PM
Hmmm. The link worked fine for me, and I must say, you have some nice animals... <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Neil Gubitz
02-27-2002, 07:24 PM
SOOOO?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> Did anybody take me up on my DARE to go to my store and take pictures??? I don't see any NEW posts???

ONE MORE THING....I got an email from one of the guys on this site this morning.... this is HIS email to ME:

Neil,
spam_spam_spam_spam_spam_spam_I sent him ("Lennox") an e mail this morning. And this was the heading on the one that he ("Lennox") sent back:
spam_spam_spam_spam_spam_spam_(Luis Pinzon <chupacabra1090@hotmail.com> wrote)
And then this is what I pulled up on a People search, at least in your area! There were a couple of address's from the Miami area also:
Luis Pinzon
5086 Stone Harbour Rd
Orlando , FL
(407) 290-9155


What's up with that, LENNOX?? Or is it Luis??? That name rings a bell, but, I just can't place it at the moment...I'll figure it out eventually....

....Neil

bssnakes
02-27-2002, 08:58 PM
Hey Neil,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Well as painfully stupid as I may be?? &nbsp;Would this be the same (lennox) that claimed to be Bob Clark in his post last night?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;Because as painfully stupid as I may be?? &nbsp;I need someone to confirm this for me!
&nbsp;Thanks,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

Neil Gubitz
02-27-2002, 09:29 PM
One and the same, Tom!! Does anybody know him?? ....Neil

timopar
02-27-2002, 10:36 PM
Hey Neil, what ever came of your store burgulary? Did they ever catch the guys?
I was just sitting here thinking that maybe this idiot lennox, (or luis, or gary, or whoever he is today) is either THE GUY or perhaps a friend or relative of the ones that broke into your store.


That or the guy has just got a supreme case of REPTILE ENVY. Maybe he has been caught in the act of attemting to sodomize a hungry burm and can no longer own reptiles, so he lurks in the shadows, sneaking into pet stores to satisfy his fetish, forced to go home with only a trouser snake in his hand. Once home he seeks his revenge against those that can and do have the privelage of keeping the focus of his obsession. And so Neil, maybe you should keep a close eye out for the guy in the long coat, ogling your prized breeders with his hands in his pockets. :-)


And to you lennox, or whoever you are today......LEAVE THE REPTILE KEEPERS ALONE, GET SOME HELP!!!!!

chupacabra
02-27-2002, 11:06 PM
The Bob Clark comment was a ridiculous attempt at a joke. Well at least it humored me. Anyone who took that as anything besides a joke, I apologize (and you probably need to lighten up). Actually my name is Bruce Springstein and I was born in the USA.

Sincerely,
The Boss

Neil Gubitz
02-27-2002, 11:26 PM
Yeah...I can tell....Y're REAL funny!! ....Neil

bssnakes
02-27-2002, 11:43 PM
> >From: bssnakes2001@yahoo.com
> >To: chupacabra1090@hotmail.com
> >Subject: BOI
> >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6:16 -0600


My e mail to lennox this morning &nbsp; &nbsp;-------------------------------------------------
> >
> >lennox,
> > &nbsp; &nbsp;One more time here is the question that you
> keep avoiding!!
> >
> >
> > &nbsp;Now take a deep breath! Pull your pants up real
> tight so that it looks
> >like you have something between your legs???
> > &nbsp; And tell us what the real problem is?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
> > &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Please note, Ikonboard cannot be held responsible
> for the content of this
> >email

The answer (lennox) (now luis) sent me back

--- Luis Pinzon <chupacabra1090@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly, my problem REALLY was the condition that I
> saw the animals in.
> Maybe the conditions have been changed, actually I
> hope they have. But they
> simply weren't during the time that I was there.
> It's that !!cking simple.
> I'm not trying to hurt anyone's business or any
> other motive that some of
> these speculators have proposed. Do you really think
> that I pulled this
> whole story out of my ass? If I did, do you think
> that I would continue to
> pursue it this long? The only reason that I keep
> pursuing this topic even
> after being repeatedly attacked by the people on
> that board is because I
> KNOW WHAT I SAW WHEN I WENT TO THAT STORE AND I ALSO
> KNOW THAT THOSE WEREN'T
> ACCEPTABLE CONDITIONS. People keep mentioning that
> they have seen worse;
> when I visit those places THEY will be addressed as
> well. I apologize if I
> posted some ####### comments directed towards you
> but it !!cking sucks when
> you get attacked by droves of people (many of which
> only know Neil through
> the board) only because you didn't like the
> conditions that you saw the
> reptiles you love were in. Defend him all you want;
> he may be a great guy;
> but the times that i have been in there I didn't
> like what I saw. Sure he
> posts pictures of clean and healthy animals in great
> conditions; do you
> actually think he would post pics of a #### stained
> cage with a half dead
> emerald in it? And if it makes me a pussy for not
> saying something while at
> the store then so be it; THAT STILL DOESN'T MAKE THE
> CONDITIONS ACCEPTABLE.
> JUST BECAUSE I SUPPOSEDLY HAVE NO BALLS DOESN'T GIVE
> ANYONE THE RIGHT TO
> SUUBJECT ANIMALS TO ANY OF THOSE LIVING CONDTIONS.
> Maybe since you e-mailed
> me it means that you are trying see what I'm really
> about or maybe you are
> trying to be a dick. I'm not sure what your motives
> are but feel free to
> e-mail me back. Peace.

My answer to his reply:

> >From: Tom <bssnakes2001@yahoo.com>
> >To: Luis Pinzon <chupacabra1090@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: BOI
> >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:55:29 -0800 (PST)

> > &nbsp; &nbsp;I will be down there to visit Neils store very
> >soon! And Neil will not no what day or time that I
> >will arrive. And I will make a post on here about
> my
> >visit. And it will be straight up and honest. And
> my
> >full name will be at the bottom of every one of my
> >post's. It does not matter if you apologize or I
> >apologize for what was said. Its been said and
> thats
> >life!!! I managed a Pet Shop for 1 1/2 yrs. and
> even
> >with 4 full time employees working with me. It was
> >almost impossible to keep it clean. What you said
> >about Neil, and the way that you went about it was
> >nothing more than back stabbing, chicken ####, down
> >low and childish!!!! There are alot of good people
> on
> >this forum. And most of them will bend over
> backwards
> >to help people out. &nbsp;BUT not when you sneak around
> not
> >using your real name!!! &nbsp;What you did to Bob
> Clark???
> >I can not imagine why anyone would be so stupid as
> to
> >do that with Bob's name. Mow you are listed as one
> of
> >the bad people out there!! Live with it!!!!!1
> > &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

And his I think? (lennox) or (luis) Or <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> last reply


--- Luis Pinzon <chupacabra1090@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you serious. The Bob thing was just a ridiculous
> joke mocking the logic
> of some of the people on the forum. If anyone took
> that seriously they would
> definetly have to be !!cking morons. I know of a few
> people who got a
> chuckle out of it. I hope you find Neil's store to
> be clean, as that is my
> only concern. And as for being listed as one of the
> bad people out
> there...the only people who would label me a "bad
> person" for what I said
> and did are just plain ignorant. I don't have the
> time nor the oatience to
> deal with such people. Quite frankly you are one of
> those people. So suck it
> easy.
>
>The only thing that was changed in these e mails
&nbsp;were the first two letters in a couple of words.

For what it is worth? My thoughts: I was wrong for
calling (him)? a bad person! The correct term
is (FOOL) (It)?? has used 4 or 5 different names.
(It) has said that it was concerned with the owner
smoking in his own business. THEN (It) said that
the problem was snake #### in a snake enclosure?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?
And then (It) said the problem was a dead reptile
in one of the enclosures?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> And keep
in mind that this whole time (It) was not able to
decide what name that (It) wanted to use?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>???
Thanks for your time!
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom
&nbsp;
>

chupacabra
02-28-2002, 11:30 AM
Tom, for what its worth, I did not post as Gary or Steve. The only two names I posted under besides Lennox were ATTEMPTS at adding a bit of humor to the whole sherade. Thus my problem never had anything to do with a dead reptile in an enclosure; I too find that story a bit hard to swallow. The only problems I ever addressed were the same beggining with the initial posts all the way to the e-mails we have exchanged. &nbsp;And as I have already stated in an earlier post the problem, at least from my perspective has already ended.

Congratulations Tim, or should I say Columbo, you cracked the big case.....JACKPOT.....YOU ARE THE WINNER (insert sarcasm here). I'm on my way to Mexico to live under my new identity...Lobo Merrenge.

Con Amor,
Lobo Merrenge

























Now here is where Tom will (say in what I imagine can only be a squeaky voice): "Hey that creep just used another name." Nothing gets past you does it?

Winston
02-28-2002, 11:38 AM
Hey Neil Even though I have never met you or been into your store. I would have to agree with most people. I mean Alot of people said that they have been in your store and the store is Clean with some fresh poop in the cages, (Which I understand because fresh poop is harder to clean then dried poop, I usually wait for the poop to dry before taking them out which is about 2 hours later) How could the majority be wrong? Right. I have been to a lot of reptile stores and The store here in Gainesville, FL is not the best(they keep a 5 foot monitor in a tank smaller then a 40 breeder, but they get away with it because of the pet store law which states you can palce a large animal in a small container for 90 days). The Best I've seen so far is Ben Siegel's place. I'm pretty sure your store is about as good if not better. I am really looking forward to see you at the Tampa Show and All the Reptile Freaks j/k &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> at the show. and Of course Dave Lawson ( hey give me a good deal on some snake I'll buy you couple rounds of beer <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> )

Later

Winston

Dave Lawson
02-28-2002, 11:55 AM
I will say that Neil's is not the CRAP HOLE that some would make it to be,Frankly Neil has taken the place and turned it in to a that I would put in the top &nbsp;pet shops around,Yes there is still room for improvment but given the 2 robberies last year and the amount of money he lost I for tip my hat to him.He hired a young Lady and pays her better then most shop owners and he owes her the credit for keeping the store clean and the animals healthy &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> Angie is a top notch herp keeper and is very,very knowegable of the herps she takes care of,My hat is off to you keep up the GREAT WORK".

Winston as always I only give good deals and I think you still owe me a couple rounds <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Neil Gubitz
02-28-2002, 11:56 AM
OK, folks....Some (if not ALL) of you, have wanted to see what everybody was talking about....SOOOO, this morning, when I came into the store, I took 10 photos of some of the tanks AS THEY ARE!! NO cleaning, NO straightening up, NO NOTHING!! You see them JUST AS THEY ARE IN THE MORNINGS!!

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=143&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=144&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=145&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=146&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=147&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=148&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=149&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=150&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=151&courtesy=1)

http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bi....rtesy=1 (http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=goobs1&album_id=45644&image_id=152&courtesy=1)

THAT'S IT!! I think they're as CLEAN as ANYONE can get them!! YOU TELL ME!! I told you...I've got NOTHING TO HIDE!! ....Neil

Neil Gubitz
02-28-2002, 11:59 AM
I forgot!! The LAST TWO photos are of the EMMY'S that Steve Barringer was talking about! ....Neil

bssnakes
02-28-2002, 12:08 PM
Steve Smuz, Gary, Gary Ellis, Lennox, Bob and or luis,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thank you for the great laugh this late in the week! &nbsp;When my 6 yr. old granddaughter read it she really got a laugh out of it also!! Keep up the good work. I am sure that all of the Pet Shop owners in central Fl. appreciate your expertise in snake #### and also cigarette smoke. Or is Neils store the only one that snakes take a dump?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? &nbsp;When you go into these stores to inspect them? &nbsp;Do you where one of those Lone Ranger Mask's?? So that no one will recognize you?? &nbsp; I think everyone that has read this thread knows where you have placed the hidden camera <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

Winston
02-28-2002, 12:18 PM
Neil I do have to say that The cages are in very good condition. #### it even have decaration in thme which is more then I do for my cages. (mine are just substrate, water bowl, and hide box, not much designe even though my girlfriend keep asking me for better looking cage) I do have to say the cages look Awesome.

Hey Neil when I open my Reptile store up here in Gainesville, I'll need to borrow your store Manager for couple weeks <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;j/k

Hopefully I'll talk to you at Tampa
And Dave I'll make up some rounds with you at wherever we drink that night.

<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Winston

bssnakes
02-28-2002, 12:45 PM
Hey Neil,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; In your list of photos? In the third one from the bottom?
Could you send me an enlargement of the area about 2 5/16" in from the right side and about 3 9/16" up from the bottom!!! I think it might be POOP but I can't tell with &nbsp;my magnifying glass! LOL! &nbsp;LOL! &nbsp;LOL! &nbsp;When you get a chance take a sample of it. &nbsp;I hear there is a chemistry student in your area? Maybe (he)?? can tell you what it is. &nbsp;I know this is a waste of space. But you know me and my big mouth <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
&nbsp; Tom

Neil Gubitz
02-28-2002, 03:45 PM
Come on folks....LOOK at the pictures of SOME of my tanks and enclosures I put on PAGE 6....AS THEY ARE (without cleaning) IN THE MORNINGS!! ....Neil

HallsHerps
02-28-2002, 04:25 PM
ok i just looked at the pics .. and well i must sai NEIL im totally shocked in what i saw !!! how could you for a minute let this happen ... lol &nbsp;but on the serious not all looks good to me , by the way ..OMG &nbsp;i hafta go my snake has pooped in his cage , will i be the next to &nbsp;drug thru the mud!!! &nbsp;i am calling HAZMAT to remove this pile out of my area i will return ...LoL

J. White
02-28-2002, 11:35 PM
[Disclaimer: I haven't done business with anyone in this thread, whatsoever - I may very well be the most objective person in it.]

This whole thread is a disgrace.

One person posts something the rest of you don't like, and you descend immediately into the sewer of ad hominem attacks. I don't know Neil. I don't know Lennox/Luis. But if I were L., and I had something unpleasant to post about a big breeder in this business, you can sure as #### bet I would use a pseudonym. Why would I want anyone to be able to search my name out, using Google, and come up with fifty posts full of inane rhetoric and "your balls are smaller than my balls" posts? What impression would that make on you, if you were new to this hobby and wanted to see what your fellow hobbyists were like? spam_Yeah, seeing vicious attacks on someone for [apparently] no reason - that'd really put some faith in this hobby, and in the people I have to deal with if I'm going to pursue it.

As well, while registering for this account, I couldn't help noticing:

This is NOT the place for flame wars of any kind. Statements, rebuttals and clarifications of FACTS are what we are looking for. Personal slurs or heated discusssions about someone's ancestry will not be tolerated.

Really? They seem to be tolerated pretty well in this thread.

And from the signup form:

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Wow. Would that be the first hat trick a thread has ever pulled off?

Julianna White

bssnakes
02-28-2002, 11:45 PM
Julianna White,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;You forgot to quote the rule about using your Full Name in your post's?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> On the BOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!
&nbsp; &nbsp; Tom

J. White
02-28-2002, 11:56 PM
So I guess your name is really bssnakes? Blind much?

Julianna White [or J. White - weird, eh?]

bssnakes
03-01-2002, 12:01 AM
Julianna White,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I am sorry I didn't make my self clear. &nbsp;I was talking about the person that started this thread. Not your post.
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

Neil Gubitz
03-01-2002, 12:05 AM
Julianna....Honestly, I couldn't agree with you more!! I really don't like the fact that, even though they're sticking up for me, some of these posts contain stuff I haven't used since I was in gradeschool! Don't get me wrong...sometimes, a little humor is well-justified, BUT ....if you have to resort to "balls" discussions, and attacks on family members, I'd prefer they didn't post at all...in MY responses, I TRY to alleviate the problem...NOT continue it ad nausea....that helps NO ONE!! I truly didn't get angry at Lennox (?) for saying what he did...YES, it hurt, and I thought I was doing better than that, but....he was absolutely right about one point...it made me painfully aware that you've got to be on your toes when you're dealing with animals and the public! Obviously, you can NEVER be TOO CLEAN! I transgress....I might disagree with his statement, but, I'll fight to the death for his right to say it! I mean...I really appreciate the positive feedback from my "friends" on here, but, even I KNOW that it's just because they like the fight! I'd still rather have them NOT jump in if they aren't first-hand knowledge-holders....you can stick up for someone, but that doesn't mean you have to "talk down" to the other person....stick with the facts of the case (for the most part), but try to surpress the, let's say....kid stuff?? ....Neil

J. White
03-01-2002, 12:07 AM
Sorry about that, then, but even so -

Why would he WANT to use his real name if it's going to be attached to a string of posts like these? Think about this. [generally speaking] Your customers put your name, and your business's name, into Google, and come up with a page full of you insulting someone's testicles?

Oh, that'd sure impress me. And it sure does make me want to use my real name, in case I ever do have a bone to pick with someone I do business with - I can't wait for friends, relatives and customers to look my name up and see "man, your balls are too small!"

Maybe I could put that on my business cards.

Julianna White

J. White
03-01-2002, 12:28 AM
Just a note - I think you, Neil, dealt with this very well - you stuck to the facts and proved your point without needing to personally [and childishly] attack anyone.

I probably will never do business in the US, but if I did, I wouldn't mind coming down to see your store. =)

Julianna White

Neil Gubitz
03-01-2002, 12:35 AM
Julianna....You're more than welcome, but PLEASE!! DON'T come during business hours...the place is A MESS!! hahahaha ....Neil

bssnakes
03-02-2002, 07:23 PM
Julianna White,
&nbsp; &nbsp; I will be the first one to admit, that sometimes my mouth is two steps in front of my brain!<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>! &nbsp;And Julianna if my words offended you?? I will apologize to YOU!! And on the same note you could have stopped reading at anytime. When I post a statement, my real name is at the bottom every time. &nbsp;If you don't think that the first post that this "person" made, was not childish and sarcastic?? Than please read it again. It is obvious to at least me that this "person" knew what was going to happen when he made the post?? Or this "person" would have used his real name in the first place!! I will say it again, if my words offended you Julianna?? Then I do apologize to YOU!
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Tom

HerpVenue
03-02-2002, 08:42 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chupacabra @ Feb. 26 2002,12:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ritchie, this post was started by me (Lennox) not Gary. So if you decided to read the thread again you can keep on posting b/c I DO know my name.................................

Sincerely,
Lennox Williamson?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
don't you just hate it when someone basically tells you to reread things because you supposedly can't read.

But then it turns out...this person does not know their real name....or purposely witheld their real name.

Two complaints about neil. &nbsp;Both of them did not use their real names. &nbsp;One can only conclude that these people are making up stories. &nbsp;Because...oh I don't know.....maybe they were bored and were looking for attention......then they make it sound like they were just trying to see who would figure it out first. &nbsp;But they were actually just trying to pull one over on everyone.....AND KNOWINGLY BREAKING THE RULES !!!!

Didn't people get banned for posting under fake names?

HerpVenue
03-02-2002, 09:01 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (J. White @ Feb. 28 2002,19<!--emo&<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry about that, then, but even so -

Why would he WANT to use his real name if it's going to be attached to a string of posts like these?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If it were a valid complaint...he would have used his real name. spam_ That is a MAJOR RULE of this forum

But apperantly it is not a valid complaint.....because there are customers who have been in Neil's store more recently...and not like ten years ago or whatever.....and they all say his store is fine.

If you are gonna make a complaint....I say it should be an up to date complaint...not one of these
"When I was five I went to Neil's store and it was filthy....well I am now thirty and thought I would complain about it now"

come on give us a break.

look for attention somewhere else.

If I had a complaint about "a Big Breeder" you can be sure 100% that I would use my real name......and I would not worry about anyone attacking me...because I would not care.
As long as I have a legitimate complaint....and if what I say is true and can be proven...and if I use my real name... I KNOW I would NOT get attacked.

Here are some rules to be sure not to get attacked.
1. spam_Think customers first
2. spam_Post with your real name.
3. spam_Post all the details (time,date, price, animal, who, what, when, where, why, how, pictures if available)
4. spam_Tell the truth.
5. spam_Post a legitimate complaint....not a whiny baby complaint.

example of whiny baby complaint.
1. spam_The shipping company shipped it late....and the heater stopped working. spam_(not the seller's fault)
2. spam_it took him a whole ten mintues to return my (e-mail, call, whatever)
3. spam_he had a hundred enclosures....and 3 of them had poo poo
4. spam_he is a smoker and he is gonna rot in h3ll (chame chame chame)
5. spam_he wipes back to front instead of whiping front to back.
6. he leaves the toilet seat up.

etc etc etc

Ken Harbart
03-02-2002, 09:16 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">don't you just hate it when someone basically tells you to reread things because you supposedly can't read.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Actually, what I really hate is the fact that Lennox's(?) post did have some legitimacy, but he handled himself wrongly. As I said before, any concerns should have been addressed to Neil on the spot. If that did not acheive satisfactory results, then Lennox would have been justified in posting his concerns. There's a right way and a wrong way to handle things, and Lennox chose the wrong way.

The part of Lennox's post that I view as legit is that which mentions smoking around herps. Unfortunately, some have taken this as a smokers vs nonsmokers issue, which it is not. It's about animals whose systems are more sensetive to environmental impurities, and who do not have the option of going to a smoke-free area. Neil, I would hope for the sake of your animals that you discontinue smoking in the store, if you haven't already.

As for the accusations of poor husbandry, even without seeing the pics, I feel that that concern has been adequately debunked,

Neil Gubitz
03-02-2002, 09:33 PM
Ken...I hear ya...but, as much as I'd like to...I just can't! I smoke! It's a bad habit, I know, but...I smoke? I know very well how cigarettes can affect animals....but...I smoke? If I went outside to have one...I'd NEVER be in the store (which, for some, might be a GOOD thing!<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> lol! That's the main reason I put a LARGE exhaust fan in the back door, and there is nothing in the way of the front door to back door airflow....the only air that is in the front of the store is the air that's brought in when the door opens...everything else gets sucked right out the back....and very well, too! I could certainly understand if I was in an enclosed area with no ventilation, but my place is vastly different...I'm sure they can still be affected in some way....but, they're just going to have to live with it! I haven't had any problems because of the smoke, so far?? I figure if it ain't broke...don't fix it! So, for all of you who are either allergic to smoke, or you just don't like it...well, I'm sorry, but I can't stop....obviously, it's your choice whether you come into my place, or not ....with no hard feelings on my end, at least....Neil

Ken Harbart
03-02-2002, 09:45 PM
Definitely no hard feelings Neil, and perhaps I'll drop by the next time I'm down at MacDill, whenever that may be.

The exhaust fan is a good idea put to good use. As usual, you seem to be one step ahead....lol.

Neil Gubitz
03-02-2002, 09:49 PM
Hey Ken....Seeing as you're going to be at McDill...bring your OWN gas mask!! Mine are for my COUGHING customers!! hahaha ....Neil

HerpVenue
03-03-2002, 01:29 PM
I agree he has some points...
But when they post under a anonymous name...it makes me...go on the automatic attack.

Then he tells me to reread..because he knows his name. &nbsp;That urked me because he clearly does not.

But yes you are right..he had some good points....just a very bad way of dealing with it. &nbsp;But I guess in his opinion it was a good way....But hey I guess we are all entitled to our own opinions.

Rocksnake2
03-04-2002, 10:25 AM
Well after all the posts about the Snake Pit I decided to check it out myself. &nbsp;I was lucky enough to have to be in Tampa for other bussiness and dropped by on Friday morning. &nbsp;I found a very nice shop. &nbsp;Good animals, friendly owner, much better than many other shops I have visited. &nbsp;Sure he smokes but the shop was not smokey or smelly. &nbsp;As I have nvere smoked cigs., I pick up on that smell easily. &nbsp;OBTW it was cold when I was there, so if ever there was a chance for odors that was it. &nbsp;I noticed that the cages were clean and all the animals appeared healthy and unstressed. &nbsp;All in all I was impressed.

Rocky Thompson

Gary Walsch
03-13-2002, 04:21 PM
Well I have several points to make on this one ...... First and foremost is the fact that the person who originally started the thread but making the complaint should be posting under their real name ...... Second is the fact that when things were said it was handled wrong and I think everyone agrees on that. &nbsp;Third ... I loved Lulliana's " my balls are bigger " remark in reference to how some people post ( got a good chuckle from that one ) and I must agree that the issues at hand should be dealt with and no one should attack someone personally. &nbsp;Fourth ..... I am a breeder and I keep many cages and it can be tough to be on top of everything all the time but I looked at those pictures Neil posted on page six and I was totally impressed because as far as pet stores are concerned none that I have seen with the exception of Ben Siegel's or Snakes at Sunset have ever put that much effort into their caging and it shows in those pics, with the amount of time, effort and money to not only set up but maintain those cages on a daily bassis, most store keepers would not bother and THEY WERE CLEAN !!! &nbsp;I wish all my cages looked that nice on a daily bassis, because as much as I try they dont ! &nbsp;Fifth .... I have never done business with Neil and I only know him from this board and have never been in his shop but plan to visit in the future where we can have a smoke ( I have the same bad habit ) and Sixth ...... If you disagree with anything in this post and wish to attack me personally, then is is something I think you should know in advance ..... MY BALLS ARE BIGGER THAN YOURS !!!! &nbsp;( LOL )


Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles

Roberta Byrd
03-16-2002, 10:25 PM
This is so rediculous. Rich, I am begging you, Please stop these people from ruining your BOI. Once again, not what board was intended for. Mister, if you have nothing better to do then pick at poop, come pick all my cages clean. Unless I see or smell a bowl of poop soup going on in a cage, it does not get my immediate attention. And another thing, I would be more apt to by an animal if I see that weeks poo in the cage! That tells me the animal is being fed and it is eating! If you have a problem with the man, then go have it out with him in person like a real man would. Don't start childish games on here. We have enough of that already. Neil, if you have animals that are not pooping, then you can worry. Do not worry about this crap! lol &nbsp;Your poopy caged female fellow herper-Roberta <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Gary Walsch
03-17-2002, 11:50 PM
Roberta is 100% right, this began as nothing more than a personal attack and the person who started it has been proven to be someone who just wants to stir things up about someone for whatever personal difference he seems to have with Neil. &nbsp;Besides whats life without a little crap on the way ?


Gary Walsch
Sunshine State Reptiles &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>