Wyatt
05-24-2002, 06:17 PM
Dear Herpers,
spam_ spam_I am looking for a little feedback here please. For the moment I am going to leave names out of this. A friend of mine purchased a few snakes and gave them to an individual on breeders loan. Now these snakes included a pair of 2000 Albino Retics. A document was signed by the two parties stating that the offspring from the two retics in 2003 breeding season will be split 50/50. First of all I seriously doubt that the female will be ready to breed by then. But I guess anythings possible. Well since this agreement was made a few of my friends snakes that were on breeding loan to this person have died. Just recently a female Hogg Island Boa that was supposed to be gravid also just died.
spam_ This person did not even take the time to have the first snake seen by a vet or have a necropsy done it was just placed in the freezer and left there. spam_Well another one came out sick and my friend went and picked it up and called me. Well I got the snake and took it to my vet the same day. Well I was very upset when the vet had told me that the snakes condition was fatal. So to end the suffering I had the snake put to sleep and a necropsy and a liver and brain biopsy done just to find out what this person exactly had going on in his collection. I cannot disclose the results right now, but I will tell you that I am very glad that I never brought the snake to my facility or will have to purchase any off his offspring !!! Now I am out several hundred dollars on a vet and the person that had this snake never spent a dime to help. Well now we find out that another one of my friends snake has died that was supposed to be gravid. Now I have heard and had snakes that have died while being gravid but again this person decided to freeze the snake with out knowing the cause of death and said that it was full of slugs.
spam_ To me this was not his decision to make. This person should have got in touch with the owner no matter how long it took and find out what his wishes were. It is just as safe to place the snake in the fridge for a couple of days, this is what happens to humans when they die, they do not just freeze them.
spam_ spam_Well now in fear of loosing all his money and having the rest of his snakes die, my friend has asked for all of his snakes back. This did not fare well with the person who has the snakes. Even the retics that were signed upon by both parties in an agreement to be kept until the 2003 breeding season. Well now this person has told my friend that the only was that he will get his snakes back is to take him to court over them. So I decided to e-mail this person and tell him that the best thing to do is to give the snakes back to the original owner to avoid any legal troubles and to ensure the safety of the snakes. I have even offered in previous e-mails to come and pick up any sick snakes and pay for a vet to check them out. Well I was then told by this person to stop e-mailing them or he will report me to my ISP. Well I have not and will not stop e-mailing this person until I am able to remove these snakes from his possesion before they die from an unknown death !! In response to a recent spam_letter I sent asking for the reurn of the snakes I was told that the spam_adult Albino Retics would not be returned to the original owner and that only 50% of the offspring will be returned in 2003 breeding season from these Albino Retics ( which I doubt ). I was told that he would keep the adults in return for the money, time, and trouble that he has spent dealing with me and my friend. As I see it I am out allot of money when I took a snake that was in his possesion to the vet! spam_So know as I see it he is in the wrong for not keeping with the terms of the agreement and not returning the adults.
spam_ So what I am asking is what would you do if someone had your snakes on a contracted breeding loan and would not return them to you because he was not happy with you. Even though you are in fear of the snakes life seeing that more that 2 have already died in this persons possesion and he will not do anything to find out why. Now I am not saying that he is killing these snakes intentionaly, but that something bad is going on when you have more that 3 snakes die in the same collection in the last few months. Of course I do have the documentation stating why one of the snakes died. I am really needing your opinions on what you would do about this. Please feel free to contact me via e-mail or 469-363-0635 for any additional information regarding this situation.
Thanks,
spam_Wyatt
spam_ spam_I am looking for a little feedback here please. For the moment I am going to leave names out of this. A friend of mine purchased a few snakes and gave them to an individual on breeders loan. Now these snakes included a pair of 2000 Albino Retics. A document was signed by the two parties stating that the offspring from the two retics in 2003 breeding season will be split 50/50. First of all I seriously doubt that the female will be ready to breed by then. But I guess anythings possible. Well since this agreement was made a few of my friends snakes that were on breeding loan to this person have died. Just recently a female Hogg Island Boa that was supposed to be gravid also just died.
spam_ This person did not even take the time to have the first snake seen by a vet or have a necropsy done it was just placed in the freezer and left there. spam_Well another one came out sick and my friend went and picked it up and called me. Well I got the snake and took it to my vet the same day. Well I was very upset when the vet had told me that the snakes condition was fatal. So to end the suffering I had the snake put to sleep and a necropsy and a liver and brain biopsy done just to find out what this person exactly had going on in his collection. I cannot disclose the results right now, but I will tell you that I am very glad that I never brought the snake to my facility or will have to purchase any off his offspring !!! Now I am out several hundred dollars on a vet and the person that had this snake never spent a dime to help. Well now we find out that another one of my friends snake has died that was supposed to be gravid. Now I have heard and had snakes that have died while being gravid but again this person decided to freeze the snake with out knowing the cause of death and said that it was full of slugs.
spam_ To me this was not his decision to make. This person should have got in touch with the owner no matter how long it took and find out what his wishes were. It is just as safe to place the snake in the fridge for a couple of days, this is what happens to humans when they die, they do not just freeze them.
spam_ spam_Well now in fear of loosing all his money and having the rest of his snakes die, my friend has asked for all of his snakes back. This did not fare well with the person who has the snakes. Even the retics that were signed upon by both parties in an agreement to be kept until the 2003 breeding season. Well now this person has told my friend that the only was that he will get his snakes back is to take him to court over them. So I decided to e-mail this person and tell him that the best thing to do is to give the snakes back to the original owner to avoid any legal troubles and to ensure the safety of the snakes. I have even offered in previous e-mails to come and pick up any sick snakes and pay for a vet to check them out. Well I was then told by this person to stop e-mailing them or he will report me to my ISP. Well I have not and will not stop e-mailing this person until I am able to remove these snakes from his possesion before they die from an unknown death !! In response to a recent spam_letter I sent asking for the reurn of the snakes I was told that the spam_adult Albino Retics would not be returned to the original owner and that only 50% of the offspring will be returned in 2003 breeding season from these Albino Retics ( which I doubt ). I was told that he would keep the adults in return for the money, time, and trouble that he has spent dealing with me and my friend. As I see it I am out allot of money when I took a snake that was in his possesion to the vet! spam_So know as I see it he is in the wrong for not keeping with the terms of the agreement and not returning the adults.
spam_ So what I am asking is what would you do if someone had your snakes on a contracted breeding loan and would not return them to you because he was not happy with you. Even though you are in fear of the snakes life seeing that more that 2 have already died in this persons possesion and he will not do anything to find out why. Now I am not saying that he is killing these snakes intentionaly, but that something bad is going on when you have more that 3 snakes die in the same collection in the last few months. Of course I do have the documentation stating why one of the snakes died. I am really needing your opinions on what you would do about this. Please feel free to contact me via e-mail or 469-363-0635 for any additional information regarding this situation.
Thanks,
spam_Wyatt