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!!! ATTN: Veasna Muth STOLE $450.00 FROM ME! AVOID AT ALL COSTS, SCAM ARTIST !!!
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Avoid this person like the plague! This person advertised two cb adult ball pythons and asked $450 shipped. Please see http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...threadid=54454 I sent him a USPS issued money order on 10/27/2004 for $450 via priority mail. He received the payment (see email below) and he has yet to send the snakes to me and return any of my phone calls and emails. I will call my attorney on Monday and move for legal action! It's people like this that keep people away from doing business with small breeders. This is his profile on Fauna http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...fo&userid=4861 Email dialogue: I'm beginning to become very concerned. It is urgent for you to contact me tonight at once regarding the snakes that I purchased from you. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: VEASNA muth [mailto:veasnamuth@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:15 PM To: Ron Crawford Subject: RE: Interested in your female ball pythons i am going to ship tomorow morning.. and also i did not get it untill 3:30pm right before i left for work. i wasnt' able to send out today because i had just got out of work and the shipping store said that they had picked up all of the overnites....so i will send you the tracking number tomorow..thanks sorry for the wait.... Ron Crawford <rcrawford@WackedMedia.com> wrote: Hello, The usps.com website said that you received payment yesterday at 9:19am. Please confirm and give me and update of your shipping arrangements. Regards, Ron Crawford 215-919-2182 -----Original Message----- From: VEASNA muth [mailto:veasnamuth@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:28 PM To: Ron Crawford Subject: RE: Interested in your female ball pythons i didn't get it yet...i should of gotten it by now if you sent it on the 27th....please let me know if it has already sent out...thanks Ron Crawford <rcrawford@WackedMedia.com> wrote: Hi, Money order sent via USPS priority mail w/ delivery confirmation. Give me a heads up when you get the package. Regards, Ron Crawford 215-919-2182 -----Original Message----- From: VEASNA muth [mailto:veasnamuth@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:07 PM To: Ron Crawford Subject: Re: Interested in your female ball pythons veasna muth 8627 marlboro ct stockton, ca 95210 (209) 471-1663 2 c/b females $450 shipped Ron Crawford <rcrawford@WackedMedia.com> wrote: Call me anytime at 215-919-2182 Regards, Ron Crawford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com</a |
i dont think a scam artist is the word
I got a big female from veasna,,yeah it took him a couple extra days to get her shipped,,mainly because some of us have busy lives and we understand that......he didnt do me wrong at all,,,it just takes some extra time to do as many things as we all have goin,,,so dont smear someone until you have a condiderable time of complainin..bub
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And what exactly is a considerable amount of time? If he said he was going to ship last Wednesday and provide a tracking number then I'm holding him to that. If he cannot ship then it's his responsibility to contact me and inform me, period.
If I continue to send him countless emails and phone him to no avail then I am to assume that he is stealing from me. Yes, we all have busy lives and if his life is too busy to address the issues of a customer then perhaps he should exit from this business. This isn't some product you buy on late night T.V. with a 4-8 week delivery time. These are animals that were promised to be shipped on 11/3/2004 that never arrived. Like you said, people have busy lives and if I'm expecting a package on 11/3/2004 and it never shows, that tells me that Veasna Muth does not care about my "busy time" nor schedule-rearrangement in order to be available for a package that never shows up. I'm not here to have a shouting match with you. I've done no business with you and as such, I have no business with you. Good day. |
Ron,
I agree that you should be informed of what is happening but did you ever think that something might have happened that has prevented him from shipping yet? Or even being able to contact you back yet? It has only been a few days. While not being responded to is reason to start to get a little worried but not time to start blowing up at others that are giving their input to you on the situation. The other person ordered from and received goods from him and was trying to inform you that he might take a few days. I would e-mail or call again and try to see what happened and then proceed from there. |
Rob,
Since you are a member from 2002 with over 1,000 posts, how long do you suggest I give him before I begin alerting the authorities? I ask this out of respect of you being a member for a few years. Thanks, Ron |
Ron, you are absolutely correct,
their is an obligation on the part of the seller to at least, keep the lines of communications open. You sent a total stranger $ 450.00 in advance, and you made it your business to meet your end of the deal.
This business about the seller not being able to contact you, is an old story, and a very convenient excuse for : if for nothing else , having poor business ethics, even if you do get your pythons. People should be made aware of these faults when monies are sent in good faith to strangers. It would be one thing if both parties knew each other and had previous dealings with each other. But here their is an implied trust based on an ad, where money was sent in advance, and now the buyer is at the mercy of the seller. Its the same thing with credit. Not paying is a problem, being late in paying is a bigger problem. Thats what you have here. I am sure and hope you receive the snakes, but this persons business approach should be brought to everyones attention so that potential buyers will know what to expect from people like thins who may be to busy to even acknowledge an email .........once they have your money. |
Things do happen, we have to agree on that. But the seller has the obligation to contact the buyer if the package was not delievered on the date agreed. Maybe right now he doesn't have access to a computer, maybe someone in the family is not doing well, maybe he is in a bind. But he has Ron phone number and he has a cell phone. It would only probably take 3 minutes to call and explain.
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I would have to agree, the line of communication beging closed and multiple mishaps would make me worr as well. I probably would have posted also, but in a different manner..Have you asked for a refund? If not I would do so..
-Matt Graybeal |
As many have said, at the very least it is poor business ethics to not let someone know what is going on.
In the end it may be a scam, but I think a 4 line header in capital letters, saying "STOLE" "SCAM ARTIST" etc. is a bit much to soon. Given it has been only a few days including a weekend, an "inquiry- anybody heard of -insert name here- " header, and a post saying "I'm a little nervous the guy hasn't gotten a hold of me in a couple days" would have been more appropriate. You could follow up in a couple days with the more derogitory post, if the problem continued. JMO |
I believe you perhaps "jumped the gun" on this one....
SCAM ARTIST or STOLE YOUR MONEY is a bit much..... A VERY OBSCENE OVER EXAGGERATION this early in the transaction.... lousy communication? DEFINATELY! I would request a refund, or if you can work it out, receive your snakes, and be done with it. I would write him and give him a week to decide. THEN update this thread with your findings, and I would also recommend removing the "THIS GUY STOLE...blah blah blah" you posted in his other sales ads. This is just tastless.... |
I noticed this person has a couple adult female balls for sale...
You would think if they had time to post and sell a couple more snakes they could ship the ones that were already paid for... here is the link to the post http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...threadid=54454 The price is fairly close to what you say you paid also |
i think those are the ones he pruchased! lol
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When was that posted then??? I think its pretty new....I dont remember seeing it a couple days ago..
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I was mistaken..the reply to the post must have bumped it up to the top of the list.......even though, it does look pretty bad on the sellers part.....busy or not if he has 450 dollars of somone elses money he should at the very least reply and let the person know of the situation
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Heres a thought!
If it can be done..........When an ad is placed in Fauna, if any prior experience has occurred through the BOI, it should automatically pop up. At least this would give the potential buyer an opportunity to see some history of the individual . At least a more intellegent approach before sending money to complete strangers and..........hoping that you get what you paid for!
Credit card companies provide potential lenders with information that becomes available within minutes. Can you imagine if Kingsnake and Fauna and all the other sites pooled their efforts together to provide this information . That would certainly put a damper on these losers. |
Ron,
Personally I would have waited at least 1 week before making any post. I also would not have made a post titled as you did on this one. There is no proof that he has stolen anything nor that he is a scam/Rip-Off. By the looks of the ad he has the animals as pending and as such sounds to me like he is (at that time) planning on them being sold. I would try calling him and e-mailing him again and if you need to do it every day until you get a response. Also I have sent a link to this thread to him via e-mail in hopes to get a response as well. |
Rob,
I wish I were more understanding like you but this transaction thus far has been completely unacceptable! Do you seriously think I should phone this guy and email him each and everyday? I do wish I had the psyche to do this my friend but I cannot and will not tolerate unnaceptable business practices. More time? He had more than enough time. When he said he was going to ship this past Wednesday, he had Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday contact me. That's five days and as far as I'm concerned and that's more than generous. I'm giving him until Wednesday before I begin alerting the authorities on this matter. This person has my money and the snakes. Give him more time to return something that lawfully belongs to me? He took my money and/or snakes hostage and I want one or the other back! |
cant we all just get along...
Hey man from the time he recieved my M.O,,,it took a weekend and the following wed...before i got them,,i know he works 2 jobs,,which is why he couldnt answer his phone at all times..however he would return my e-mails just about every day to stay in touch...Let me add ive just gotten over gettin ripped off by L&B ,,aka barry white,still recoverin from that so until you at least lose all contact with this guy for a good length of time,,,cool it already...youve jumped the gun too much..also dont buy a damn thing from L&B reptiles ever.
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i had similar problems with another reptile breeder, it took almost 3 weeks for me to get my package. when it was suposed to arrive 3 weeks prior to that. i went 2 weeks without contact with these people finally the end of the 2nd week i finally contacted them, to only find out i had to wait another week for them to ship it out. i exercised patience and understanding with them, after i agreed to wait another week they told me they would even give me a free reptile for the wait and my patience with them.
would you think i waited too long? i didnt make a scene of it, nor an ass out of myself in the process of waiting either. i dont know, it honestly sounds like you jumped the gun here. snapping at another customer of his who was trying to offer advice to this was wrong imo. also it is kinda wrong for you to blast him on the ad like you did, that apparantly he changed cause he was going to sell them to you. i honestly hopes he reads your thread and refunds your money and doesnt do business at all with you because of it. in your situation i would have waited a minimal of 2 weeks without contact to come here and post. |
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It hasn't even been a week yet, things do come up and delay people. I have waited months for things to be shipped and have no problem with this. Its unacceptable that he hasn't called yet, but there may very well be a reason for this. I strongly feel that you jumped the gun here and the legal threats are really uncalled for. Also the the above quote "It's people like this that keep people away from doing business with small breeders" is ridiculous. |
We all have opinions and it's a fun world we live in for it. In as much, I made a decision to bring my case forward. One week, two weeks, three weeks, whatever. I expected a package on Thursday and he didn't deliver nor did he contact me.
I'm not here to have shouting matches with anyone because in the grand scheme of it all, it really does not matter one bit. Like I mentioned before, it's people like this who make it bad for the small breeder to grow in this business. Other people read threads like this and think twice before ordering from the small breeders because of these type of horror stories. We have to "raise the bar" with respect to handling proper business in the reptile industry. People are here defending this person when they should be outraged and demand that sellers get their acts together when handling business. In retrospect, if you worked two weeks and expected to be paid on Friday. Wouldn't you be pissed off if you didn't get paid by your employer and even worse, when you tried to speak to your boss via phone/email/etc he was no where to be found? It's your money and you've earned it. Why should you have to wait a prolonged period of time before ranting and raving? I'm confident that you wouldn't follow your own advice and wait by passively while twiddling your fingers. I don't have anything else to add to this thread and ask that the "flaming" come to a halt. I've spoke my case and I stand by it. We as a community of reptile breeders/brokers/buyers must demand and expect superior customer service. Isn't that what the BOI is about? The court is in recess. |
thats nice in thought philly, but where does it even say he runs his own reptile business though (no link to a website, nor mention of a business name) ......... from what the other person says he works 2 jobs, so i would assume he is just a mere hobbyist. if the mating 2 animals and selling the young makes you a business man, then there are alot of teenage business people out there.....
i would assume he is pretty busy in his life, if not he would have came here to defend his name already. also, you posted this on a public forum, where anyone and everyone is entitled to post's their opinion to it. i dont think anyone of us would let your message stand as an example of who this person is. when you admitted you have not given this guy any chance at all. you the one who played judge, jury and executioner on him. |
Plenty of Opinions
Ron,
While there are some who think you are overreacting I feel that you are in the right on this issue. If you cannot stay in contact with your customer than DON'T DO THE BUSINESS. Maybe you will be lucky and he will just return your money. You can then go out and spend it with a more professional seller. Phil Bradley |
Ok, I've rarely felt compelled to contribute in the BOI, but I just thought I'd throw this out there... there is a big difference between "Being in business" and "good business practices". No, getting a female snake knocked up and desiring to sell the progeny does not make one a businessman... however, TAKING SOMEONE'S MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR ONE DOES. As soon as you accept money for an item or service, you are in business... don't like it? Give them away for free. As soon as you take possession of someone else's hard-earned money, you enter into a contract... if that contract means little to you (as I would suspect it means little to some, based on the comments here in "support" of the deadbeat dealer), then it is best to simply not enter into such contracts.
It is ridiculous to think that a society could function if all commercial transactions were completed at the seller's leisure... I'm sorry, we can't get you that car until next April, but we'll sure take your $15,000 now... Thanks for the $150 advance, we'll call you when we have a table available at our restaurant, I'm sorry your father died because he didn't have his heart meds, but we just didn't feel like sending them out. See how ridiculous that sounds? Almost as ridiculous as "he's a hobbyist, not a businessman". Well, if you don't want to be a businessman, DON'T SELL YOUR ANIMALS. The buyer sent the seller money, the seller agreed to send a snake in exchange. If that's not business, someone please explain to me what business IS. |
That being said, stuff DOES happen... I did not mean that to be directed at the seller in this case so much as towards the people that are defending the notion that not being a official business with a Federal Tax ID and separate checking account means that you're somehow exempt from basic courtesy.
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i said that meaning he has other things to do in his seeminlgy busy life, that might be keeping him from responding to emails or anything else. like i said before, if he would look at his own ad that philly posted a link to this thread and called him a scam artist on it he probably would repsond. i would think there would be a good reason he hasnt responded as of yet.
also, not trying to start a argument with you mister internet, but "As soon as you accept money for an item or service, you are in business... " would in a way make drugdealers, pimps, theives and hitmen business people too woulndt it? they all are in a way trading goods and or services for money as well. just a thought...... |
You guys have got to be kidding!
Mike, just a thought? ... maybe...but not a particularly good analogy.
Tom, you said it perfectly. If you are going to conduct a business transaction, whether it is a single event or an ongoing business, you owe your customer the common courtesy of basic contact and at least a minimally businesslike attitude towards the transaction. I have been producing snakes for a good long while and selling them as well. I also work a full time day job. In my opinion, unless the reason is pretty much catastrophic, there is absolutely no reason for missing a shipping date as described and then ignoring contact for several days. If I were to have experienced the same situation, I would have begun requesting a refund the day the animals did not arrive and the seller had not bothered to contact me. I am truly astonished at the number of people who stated that they would have waited a week or two before taking action. Hobbyist, jobber or pet shop owner...it doesn't make a bit of difference. If the seller can't complete a transaction with a modicum of professionalism he has no business posting ads. Ron, you haven't jumped the gun a bit. |
I will, however, grudgingly agree that the title of the thread could have been toned down some. At this point, the guy is simply a lousy businessman...not necessarily a scammer. There is always time for a follow up post if the situation is not resolved.
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Pitiful!!
Anyone taking my hard earned cash better send when they say. Bottom line. The guy obviously had the time to take his money. It would take 30 seconds to pick up the phone and tell your customer what a slacker you are.
I hate hearing excuses...I have another job or I have 2 jobs. BS. Alot of dealers have second jobs but I never see any bad guy posts in here on them. How long are you supposed to wait till you hear or never hear from someone? Are you suposed to wait till someone else gets ripped off? Some of you posters better think of what you are posting in defense for this guy. If it bares any resemblance to defending a scam artist, I would definitely think twice. You just might ruin your own reputation. Ron....I hope you settle up. Bthacker |
For the record, I phoned him and emailed him constantly (including today) and I still haven't heard back from the guy. You folks tell me to wait? Guess what, I am waiting...However, not by my accord. :(
Think I can get G.W. to send the troops there to free the hostages? My money and/or snakes are being held hostage. |
did you use a postal money order? and if so did the seller cash it yet? everyone is saying that sometimes people are to busy to return calls or send as soon as the buyer would like, but if thats the case im sure they are to busy to cash moneyorders.
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Yes, paid via USPS money order. Will have to phone the post office tomorrow to find out how I can check to see if it was cashed or not. If you have two jobs as one member pointed it, it's safe to assume it's cashed already.
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ok so your topic says he stole money off you, but yet you dont know if it was cashed or not?
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yeah thats shady!!
i think you can also track the usps money order to see if its been cashed. i would also maybe call the us postal service fraud/security investigation unit. maybe there's something they could do or maybe stop the mo payment from being cashed. did this person say whether he shipped it ups or fedex, etc? did he tell you he shipped it already(im a little confused)i noticed he indicates shipping store in the email which is strange. theres alot of shady people out there, let me know what happens, good luck dj
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You obviously jumped the gun on this one, you dont even know if it was cashed yet a few days ago you posted this guy ripped you off?
Something may have possibly come up, it happens. Unfortunatley not every sale is effortless and lightening fast. If he indeed "ripped you off" you STILL posted about this WAY too soon. You still have absolutley NO IDEA what is going on. A simple post concerning lousy communication would have sufficed, and could have been easily added to in the future if further developments occured.... I can guarantee alot of breeders and dealers have read this, and your quick move to completley sdestroy this individuals name. I'd be willing to bet you now have basically "blacklisted" yourself from doing business with many of these people for simple fear that you may flip out an inappropriatley flame them on a open inquiry forum. I sure as hell wouldnt knowingly take an order from you, if for some reason I got hit by a bus or broke down in the middle of the desert I sure as hell would not want to come back a few days later to see my company being trashed here.... Good luck, Hopefully everything works out for you... try exercising a bit of patience in the future, and doing your homework (ie. checking status of check, ect.) before posting somethingl ike this. |
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With respect to "blacklisting" myself. I hope I do "blacklist" myself from people that have unacceptable business practices. They are the only ones that would not want to do business with me out of fear of me coming here and shining light on their horrible business etiquette. I've never screwed over anyone in this industry and I easily spend 4 to 5 digits on high end ball python morphs in my collection. I send my paments out fast (priority/overnight/wire/etc) and stand behind what I say. You fail to remember what happened here. I sent him money at once and in the easiest form short of sending cash money in the mail. He has not attempted to contact me at all even though he said he was going to ship and provide a tracking number on a specific date. This date came and went and I've tried to contact him constantly. If he has a valid excuse then he'll have a chance to defend himself and provide ample proof. With that said, I Guess I'm on your "blacklist" too, eh? ;) Here are some excellent guys that I've done business with and I feel they deserve to be mentioned here. These are solid A+ guys that know how to handle business correctly: ASF Reptiles, BoaRepublic, Dream Breeder, OzzyBoids, Ball Boutique, Mark's Herps, T&M Reptiles, Phil Buscher and others. |
Like I said, you simply posted this blatent ATTACK too soon. He may have very well scammed you.... BUT... what if he didnt?
You have to remember, posts in the BOI cannot be edited or erased. If your specimens were to arrive this morning and for some reason his online access was restricted or lost, or who knows what else, all of this would be for not and a name would be tarnished. That was my only point, you jumped the gun, and you even admitted to doing so. Simple as that. I do however agree with you, we are also always quick to pay in all of our transactions, and spend big money when obtaining morphs for our projects. I just know that things do happen from time to time, and it did not seem like you wasted any time coming here to tear him a new... well... you know... Good luck with the transaction, I really hope this clown hasent walked off with your money... |
hey TOPSHELF, I would be very
curious to see how you would handle the situation if the roles were reversed. Whether the money order was cashed or not, we can all assume that it was received! Its as good as cash and the time limit is 1 year.
The buyer does not have to justify why its necessary to defend himself in a simple sale such as this. The seller however has some explaining to do! Not following through on a sale once the monies have been sent is enough to bring to the BOI. Their is nothing premature about not following through with the shippers obligations. I think that if their is a blacklist, it will be on the shippers methods of conducting business at this point. By next week it could be considered a rip-off. So, when does it not become.........premature!! also,TOP SHELF, for you to justify "that things happen from time to time" is about as lame of an excuse as you can get. The fact is where is the money or the animals? Thats the bottom line. Secondly, how long does the buyer have to wait before he can get a simple answer to his prepaid sale? |
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I'm going to sign out with this post since I've spent too much time with dialogue about this situation. Good luck to you all and be careful with sending your hard earned money to people not listed with good feedback or have no listings at all in the BOI. I checked the BOI before sending money to him and he didn't have anything published about him, postive or negative. What I should have done and will do moving forward is inquire about a person in the BOI before doing business with them if I couldn't find anything about them in the BOI. I could have saved myself from this mess if I inquired beforehand. Lesson learned. Regards, Ron Crawford |
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