Brandon Greene
 

I purchased a dragon from this guy over here. A male that's suppose to be two that he supposedly purchased as a pet but decided to lot him go. I believed that until after attempting to pair him with three different females finding he is not interested in breeding any of them. I contacted Brandon asked him for a refund and to return this male back to him he's not responding at all. Has anyone over here ever done business with him before? I also felt the need to let other's know what happened as I believe he knew this dragon wouldn't breed.... He's a beautiful male but I was also told he liked be handled and he does not like to be held at all. I guess this is the risk you run purchasing via the internet just sad there are people who lie and cheat you out of your funds.

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How long ago did you purchase the dragon?
How long had you had him before trying to breed?

I purchased him in March of this year kept him by himself till April tried to pair him with on female in May no interest tried another in June still no interest at all he's been with another girl since July still absolutely no interest at all he's not attempting in any way

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He may be too young still. I've had males show no interest until 2-3yrs.

Are you positive it is a male?

He also may need a cooling period before he will breed.

I believe Brandon knew I wouldn't be able to breed hi. I'll attach his private message when I get home in about an hour. Yes he's a male supposed to be 2 years old.

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Did the ad say proven breeder?

Also if he didn't know why is he not responding at all

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I specifically asked if he'd been bred he said no but he'll be a great breeder I'll attach the pm when I'm home...

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This is what he sent me. If I didn't feel he knew this dragon wasn't able to be breed I wouldn't have made the post and the factor that he won't even respond to me at all confirms that for me. Now if this had been a young male that I raised that did this I wouldn't be mad at all but I bought this male specifically to breed to my super citrus girl. Even if he'd said hey my bad how about I give you a partial refund and take him back I wouldn't have made the post but he just is doing absolutely nothing not even an apology.....

Re: Adult Male Blue Bar "Rainbow Tiger" - CCD LINES $175

[quote=Redsky29]I can't send payment till Monday. I will contact you on Monday after I've sent payment if the other person should come through before then please let me know so I don't send the payment. Also what is his hatch date? Has he been bred before? Just curious Thanks
Christie


Christie,

Sounds good. I will contact you right away should something come up. My paypal address is same as that email. Brandongreene00@yahoo.com

As far as answering your questions. He has never been bred. He was one of my personal favorites and I just wanted one of Dave's rainbow tigers. I never had a project based around him, but he would be a perfect breeder for yellow/orange lines. For hatch date, he is right around two and a half years old. I can try to track down the emails from Dave if you need a precise date.

Have you taken your dragon to the vet yet, there may be some physiological reason for the critter not breeding.
I don't know that it is the seller's fault if in fact he had never tried to breed this dragon and only kept it as a pet. Even if he knew you wanted a breeder, if this animal was not advertised as proven and it turns out there is some physical reason for the lack of breeding behavior, I don't know that I'd characterize the seller as a bad guy.
However, even though the sale was 6 months ago, I feel it would be professional for him to respond to your emails.

The fact that he won't respond is what I'm most angry about.... I had him checked for parasites back in April nothing wrong with him health wise

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The factor that he supposedly bought this male as a pet then decides to sale him just doesn't sit right with me now. At first I was all for it but after seeing the male is unable to breed I think he bought him to breed and then found he could not breed him and resold him..... Now if he'd sold him as a pet quality dragon I wouldn't say anything but I feel he's a bad person for one not responding, two selling something to someone to breed knowing it's not able to be bred.... That is why I made the post. If it was all just an honest mistake why hasn't he responded to say omg I'm so sorry had no idea or something....

BTW he is a member of this board the whole transaction with the exception of payment was through here so if it's an honest mistake he can always reply here...

You are sure it's a male? Can you post pictures of him/it?

I have sent him an email informing him of this thread. Hopefully he will respond.

If it was a pet, he may have decided to sell to free up space. Everything is speculation at this point until the seller decides to respond. He should at least respond to your emails.

Again, for some bearded dragons, it is important to cycle them in order for them to be enticed to breed, especially if one was just a pet. You have not cycled it, so you cannot say for certain it will not breed.

I would take it to the vet and have blood work done on it as well.

We have only one reptile vet in my area what all should they look for in the blood work? I've never experienced a male that just would not breed at all. I've had some that dislike certain female or are just not interested in a particular female but never one that just refuses to breed in general. I do hope he responds I'd feel a lot better if this was purely an accident but since he's failed to respond in almost 2 wks I'm not going to hold my breath that he will here either. Paypal has even contacted him and he's not responded to them either even though they ruled in his favor on the dispute.

I may have missed it, but was this animal sold to you as a "proven breeder"?

Side rant independent of the this thread:
Sometimes it is hard for us to remember that these are individual animals with distinct personalities & preferences, they are not automated machines.
Similar to humans, there are simply some that may have very little to no reproductive sex drive. It happens. Selling off animals that won't "produce" is fairly common. Not saying that is the case here. Unless it is 100% a pet, animals cost money to maintain and that cost can be justified by some because they hope to recoup those losses by producing offspring. No offspring, no money...animal gets sold.

Not the best pics I'm doing this solo https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6da05b391c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...16df78271d.jpg

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So it was okay for him to sale my a male that won't breed knowing I wanted to breed him with my super citrus girl and for him to even say he'll be a great breeder??? That made no sense at all..... if he can't be bred sale him to a pet home as a pet....That is the ethical thing to do.

That appears to be a female.
Get a picture of the pores please.

I'll remove the post if it's a female give me one sec to get more pics

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The post cannot be removed.

I'm doing all this solo but the vet confirmed male not that their perfect either. I won't be mad if he's actually a she...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a9c0f76f5a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...80f0f550b1.jpg

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Try taking a breath instead, read what I wrote again. Pretty clear, I said nothing of this particular seller.
So... again, was it sold to you as a "proven breeder"... yes or no?

No, the ad said he would make a good breeder.

Without seeing the pores on the legs (turn the dragon over and take a picture of the back legs), I am almost positive the dragon sold to you is a female, not a male.

I'm not in need of a breath lol I went off what you said on my thread about a guy selling me a dragon to breed. You stated if you can't breed them you sale them, correct? If you can't make money you have to make room. I can understand that but again any dragon being sold for none production need to be sold with full disclosure that they are pet quality... Then there would be no need for these kind of post.

Snake Queen do you believe the vet was incorrect in also determining this to be a male?

I may have to wait for my son to get home he/she is not going to just lay on the back. I was also told he was easy to handle when he hates being handled pretty much has gotten better but still is nervous as heck being handled. I'll see if I can get some pics but probably have to wait. I'd prefer this is a female rather than he sold me a male that doesn't perform. I do agree with some of what was said about dragons having individual personalities and such as all mine are different.

Yes.

If I could get pictures to attach, (not working for me today) I'd show you.

"Never been bred"
What does this mean to you?
Did you ask him elsewhere if he was a proven breeder.
If the dragon has "never been bred", then the seller admits he doesn't actually know if the male is great, good or bad at breeding...he simply doesn't know. Those waters have never been tested.

By you purchasing a unproven animal, you also don't know. You took a gamble by not purchasing a "proven breeder", correct?

Broken down

Had he not stated he would make a great breeder there would be no dispute at all..... go see the message I posted directly from him..... In the end yes it is on me for purchasing an untested male and relying on something someone stated...

Hopefully these will work https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3936556cca.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cfbd28fe40.jpg

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Attached are some bearded dragon sexing guides.

Congratulations, you have a female bearded dragon.

with light it looks like the first pic

lol had I known that I would have taken that in stride and not had a whole fit.... thanks sigh

You're welcome.

That is why it wasn't interested in breeding.
You received a nice female for $175. Now find a male. :)

The first pic, top or bottom?

Hopefully this all can be a learning experience for you and others reading.
Putting aside the male vs. female issue (thanks Melissa), twice the seller clearly states "he has never been bred". Any other statement past that regarding future breeding gusto by the animal is 100% speculation.

As buyers it becomes our job to understand these statements. "he would be a perfect breeder" alone is an improvable statement. It becomes the sellers job to avoid such insinuations, BUT it also falls on the excited buyer to realize what "never been bred" actually means.

I take the sellers statement of "would be a perfect breeder for yellow/orange lines" to be more of a generalization of genetic pairing possibilities vs. any kind of guaranteed claim on behalf of the dragon's sex performance (had it been a male).

As for the seller not responding, that is a different matter that needs addressing if this is in fact a female.