High End Herps (Inquiry)
 

Hi Gang,

I am looking to purchase a Blood Python from this company and just want a few opinions from others whom have done business with them.
So far all contacts have been via email and David (owner?) has been an aboslute pleasure to talk with.
I have seen a couple of pictures of the snake and he looks amazing.

If you happen to read this David I am sorry but I am just to paranoid these days not to ask.

Thank you. :eatpointe

The quality of animals and quality of service that you'll get from High End Herps is absolutely outstanding. You'd be hard pressed to find better animals from a better guy anywhere, whether it's a $5000 retic or a $200 boa. I would recommend buying from them to any and everyone... David is one of the true good guys in this business.

Great person, fantastic animals!
 

I'll toss my 2 cents in. :D

I've gotten a GORgeous albino granite burm from David as well as I'm currently paying on a pair of his triple crossed morelia (woot!) as well as a pair of his "pastel" celyonese pythons (I'm sooo excited about getting these!)
I'll be getting these all soon in the next month or two (and yes, I will post pics! Just getting the bugs worked out of my camera software. haha!).
So through my prattling on, what I'm conveying is that David has been very honest and an absolute sweetheart to talk to on the phone or in email conversations and he has an insane guarantee so I took the plunge and can't wait to get my soon-to-be animals from David.

I highly recommend his business. I have had no issues with him thus far and I don't expect I'll have any. :)

Hugs!

Amanda

This guy is something else. I really feel sorry for anyone who's been 'dooped' into thinking that breeding a Diamond/Jungle cross to a West Papuan was something special. I would not pay 50 bucks for one of these crosses. Heck, I wouldn't pay anything.

I'm with you there bro.........dooped.......I'd say blatantly ripped off!!!

I can't tell if this would be relavent or not.

There was a thread back in February on the kingsnake burm forum where someone made an allegation that HighEndHerps was possibly Damon Heynen. That thread of course got pulled by a moderator before the conversation went anywhere, but I do remember someone had commented that HEH's snake looked suspiciously like one owned by Damon. Other members concurred that the photos looked to be of the same snake. Then someone asked HighEndHerps where he got that particular snake from. HEH essentially gave a non-answer and said they had no problems with people "borrowing" their photos which was odd since Damon had posted his photo on the forum two years prior (and which was a year prior to HEH showing up on the forum). Would have been pretty easy to clear up the matter by just saying he bought it from from a Damon Heynen (or "Brian Smith" as the name Damon was more well known as going under). Later the thread was pulled (guess it had gotten reported) and HEH disappeared for a couple days till things died down.

Took some hunting to find the photos used in those vanished posts...

Photos by HighEndHerpsInc...

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...069&user=90065

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...110&user=90065

Now compare those photos to a photo of Caramel posted by Damon Heynen aka Brian Smith back in 2004

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...822&user=21217

from what I see, the tail and lower portion patterns of the body really do seem to line up as being the same snake...yes?


I really don't know if those rumors are true or not (I honestly really hope that HEH isn't Damon and I'm sure others would agree), but over the past few months every now and then someone comes to the burm forum and tries to bring up the subject and then those threads tend to disappear ...so those people may think they have something strong to go on (beyond maybe just an itch to attack the crazy prices for hybrids that HEH posts). I do know that when HEH showed up (about a year after Damon had been kicked off the kingsnake site) he was posting under an AOL IP (Damon had been using AOL too). More recently, the IPs for HEH have been a dial up service for Houston .. a bit far away from their location of Oakdale LA. I don't know much about trying to track stufflike that down so don't know how to go any further than that. I can try and see if I can contact some of those involved from that pulled thread from kingsnake to maybe come here to post their thoughts on this?


Here is the BOI thread on Damon.... 600+ posts to try and sift through though (enough to make your eye's cross).

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...71&page=1&pp=5


Adrian

Hhhhmmmmmm
 

Scott,

So I take it your not into crosses? A lot of people think that differnt locality crosses of carpets are "someting special" and usually will take that three way mix and maybe will take that animal and cross it with another locality. That is the beauty to owning reptiles and breeding them is that some people are big on the crosses of the same species. For me as long as they (seller/breeder) disclose that the animal is a cross and that you can get "something special" depending on what you breed it with that is not being dooped.
Basically what I am trying to say is that one persons "something special" can be (and usually is) completely differnt or nonexistant for someone else. Know what I mean?

Adrian,
They do look like the same snake to me. Who knows? haha But so far I have not heard anything really negative about HEH and their business dealings, unhealthy animals, and so forth and so on. Thank you for hunting down the pictures though. I'm sure you had a nice little headache after all that.


Thanks

Hi,

I have nothing against crosses, at all. The only problem I had was that this individual was selling these particular snakes for 3,000 dollars. Would you be willing to pay that much for one of these crosses? Personally, I would not. I think it's irresponsible to claim these crosses are worth that much. I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder... But worth 3,000 , I don't think so. Lol. But 'each to their own.' If you're willing to pay that much. Go right ahead. You can have your very own 3 way cross. LOL!

Good Lord, lol
 

First off I would like to say thanks kindly to the nice comments made by the more friendly posters, be they customer, or otherwise. Y'all are equally good people in my and my husbands book.

As to these comments concerning the crosses that we produce and sell: Y'all are more than within your God given rights to state your opinion and we respect everybodies opinion equally. But it was a little irresponsible and slightly underhanded to post such comments as "they got duped" or, "they're ripping people off", etc, without knowing us, our customers, or the facts surrounding these transactions. For the record everything we sell comes with a 100% satisfaction guarantee for 4 full months. So, regardless of what anyone pays for their snakes, they can bring them back at any time, no questions asked.

As to the other posters unusual post: We are a family-run business and have never been partnered up with anyone else or affiliated with anyone else in any way, shape or form. We don't reccognixe any of those people you mentioned, much less associate with them. So if that post was an attempt to connect our business with shady characters or any less than admirable breeders then that was even more underhanded than the other comments about our hybrids and prices.

Good day to all,
Tawni Beauchemin

HighEndHerps,

I was wondering if you know what happed to those threads you started that Adrian is talking about? If you recall, I was one of the people that happened to notice that rockXburm female appeared to be identical to the one Brian Smith AKA Damon had. My replies questioning you about this were quickly deleted when I replied to one of the threads. Also when you posted those two threads it looked as if you were saying you had two different rockXburm females as you were claiming each one was a different project. One thread showed her being bred by a tiger retic, and the other showed her being bred by an albino granite burm. I know all the post another member made questioning you about this were deleted very quickly. However, your original threads were not deleted until much later. I really don’t see why kingsnake would have any reason to go back and delete your old threads and wanted to see if you had any insight to this?

Ben Rogers

Scott
 

What you said is correct in that the game of reptile buying it always has been and always will be a "to each his own thing".
I am not the one buying the cross and you are intitled to your opinion but if a person buys an animal, be it reptilian or otherwise, that is a cross and they were notified by the seller/breeder of such and the animal is 3k then how are they being duped or missled?? Especally if it's a to each his own thing?

I am not trying to pick a fight but just trying to understand what you are saying.

To HighEndHerps
 

HighEndHerps,

If you don’t have an answer to my last question maybe you can at least help me with this. You would definitely agree you guarantee of 4 months, and your “trade in policy” is very unique compared to others in the hobby right? Well, how come these post made by Brian Smith in 04 seem so similar to it? I won’t even bring up the fact you have very similar writing styles as well as view points in other post.
http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...81914&key=2004
http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...81914&key=2004


If you want to try and get this cleared up I would be very interested in hearing about any credible references you have before summer of last year. As you may or may not know Damon Heyman AKA Brian Smith was caught April 05 traveling through AZ with several illegal reptiles. He also had about 30 snakes. Which isn’t near as many as he use to claim he had, but is still a lot considering he told everyone he sold them all a year earlier. Here are a couple links to some news articles if you care to see them.
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/4409/AZ/US/
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=39810


On your website you claim to have one of the biggest boid collections, but I have yet to find anyone that has heard of you before July/August last year. For such a big breeder, you really don’t seem to be selling very much, especially for this time of year. I only bring this up as Brian Smith was well known for misrepresenting his collection as being much greater than it really was.

Ben Rogers

BenR/Adrian
 

Sorry I didn't respond quickly enough for you. I have not even been to this site in days and wasn't even aware you'd posted a question directed at me until a friend emailed me and brought it to my attention. I have been incredibly busy as of late.

Now, I don't know who you are, who Adrian is, or who this Brian Smith or Damon Smith is. Never did any business with any of you. For you to come here publicly and imply that I am somehow connected with any of them because of a picture of a similar or identical snake, is absurd. It goes beyond absurd.

We acquire snakes from all over the country all the time. Weekly. We built the bulk of our collection by buying other people's snakes and we get in new animals each and every week. [All are run through a lengthy quarantine in a seperate building] To say I am such and such because I have a snake that some guy posted a picture of THREE years ago is utterly ridiculous. By that same token, if I post pictures of some of my surinames then I must be Adam from Chicago. Or if I post pictures of a couple of my afrocks then I must be John from South Carolina. And I could go on and on and on.

This is so ridiculous I can't even believe I am addressing it. But it sure does explain why you kept getting my name wrong in all them different forums, lol. Heck man, I just thought you were a tad slow on the uptake. (no offense)

Anywhichway, for the record, I am in no way affiliated with anyone at all, be they them particular people or whomever. We don't have ANY partners and we don't do co-projects with anyone else. Now Ben, you seem to have a bug up your skirt for this Brian Smith for whatever reason. So be it. I don't know if maybe he scammed you or whatever happened with your dealings with him. I didn't go read the links y'all posted. Tawni browsed through them but said it was incredibly long and 'like a silly soap opera that never ended' [she has a way of putting things in perspective, lol]. Anywhichway,.. whatever happened between you and this other fella has nothing to do with us and our business and I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop trying to connect me with them. It ain't right and you're basing it all on one picture of a snake we bought from another [not that fella] and you never once even emailed me to ask me point blank, 'Hey, do you have anything to do with such and such'. Not even a single email to find out. No, instead you come here and imply I am in league with a scammer. It just ain't right.

Now, we have done nothing but good business since day one. We have many happy customers and have never lost a single snake to shipping or with customer. As far as my business and it's dealings go it will stand upon its own merit. Now, I don't care if you go around posting that I wear a dress as I clean cages, but do not ever post that I run a shady or dishonest business. I take a lot of pride in the way I run my business and it took a lot of hard work and genuine effort to get where I am.

I wish you all the best luck in recouping your losses with this other guy. I also wish you the best in your own breedings. You have some green/granites about to hatch soon don't you, and I think those are one of the most incredible mixes out there. Best of luck on them.

David Beauchemin

Sorry, I messed up on one of the links. This is the other one I meant to post.
http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...67763&key=2004

Thanks for the long reply David, but you still haven't addressed any of the questions I asked you. How long have you had this snake in question? How long have you been around in this business? How come no one has heard of you before last summer? You don't think it's a big coincidence you have a very simular "trade in Policy" and guarentee, as well as an identicle snake? Also the timing of him moving that direction isn't much before you first seemed to pop up on the scene. What conclusion do you think people are going to draw from this? Especially if you won't even respond to these questions.

Ben Rogers

With HEH's unprecedented guarantees and the fact that they do trades, take back snakes and such, I would think they could answer a simple question of where a snake came from and from whom especially when that snake looks identical to one owned by Damon/Brian who vanished from the herp scene about a year before HEH shows up. Since their breeding collection is a "closed colony", I would think they'd keep careful records of who they got snakes from in case something happened.


And as Ben pointed out the policy "guarantees" are pretty much the same... odd for someone who likes to say their guarantees are like no other.

A Quoted comment of HEH from March 2006:

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1035160,1038282


HEH's current policy as stated on their website http://highendherps.com/


BrianSmith's post from back in March 2004

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...81914&key=2004


Pricing similiarities

From one of BrianSmith's posts:
http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...38703&key=2003


From HEH's website:


so if you read the site further and then take into account HEH does credit value from trade ins, intrest free payment plans, etc... that does lower prices in an incredible way.


Brian was also known for posting about burm, rock, retics, hybrids, triples, etc. Pretty much the same stuff that HEH likes to post about on the forum.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...81704&key=2004


There just seems to be too many similiarities to brush off easy.


Adrian

You guys are like a tag team. LOL

Unfortunately, this will always be a he said/she said situation unless you can provide actual proof that Brian Smith & HEH are the same person. It is apparent you have a history with Brian Smith, however, this thread was an inquiry regarding High End Herps who have stated that there is no connection between them and any of the other individuals you have mentioned. Your questions have been asked and answered as they say. So I can't see where you can go from here unless you have something more concrete.

Also
 

The original post was an inquiry on HEH and their business, animals and such NOT if they are this person or that person.

Please if you'd like to continue the "who are you really" bicker (or whatever it is) do it over email. As far as I am concerned your questions/concerns have been answered about who HEH is.

Two Plus Two Does Not Equal Twenty
 

It's astonishing to me that a grown up would use a far-fetched conspiracy theory based soley on a three year old picture of something as rare and obscure as a het albino rock/burm hybrid (how many of those total do you suppose there are in this country?) to libel the integrity and business of a man that he's never met. Then to use that picture further as an errant platform for accusations about things such as the size of that person's snake collection, or a guarantee/ trade-in policy, or the manner in which someone types is simply irresponsible and nasty. Whatever axe you have to grind with this Damon or Brian or whoever he is has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that High End Herps may or may not own the same or similar snake as him. As far as a lifetime trade in policy or health guarantee, these are not new ideas that this Brian Smith conjured up so therefore he and David Beauchemin must be the same person. Lots of folks have that same policy. I have that same policy. The difference is that High End Herps has it detailed in plain english on the homepage of their website for all to see. How can you possibly chastise someone for having a sound and responsible policy as one of the first things you can read on their website? As far as this Brian fellow and David Beauchemin having a similar style of writing, they do not. The reason I can definitively say that is because of the several hundred multiple page emails that I have personally received from High End Herps giving me a pretty firm grasp on his vernacular. I've never heard or seen him use the phrase "dog tame" and he has the good sense to use the proper form of to, too, and two. None of this is anything that should need to be explained or corroborated as personal attacks as serious as this one simply should not be made unless you have conclusive proof of what you are accusing. About eight months ago a fellow named John posted pics of an adult female blood he recently acquired. About two months after that I bought that same snake from him. If I post pictures of her with eggs in a couple of years are you going to root through the Kingsnake archives so that you can "show" the world that I'm not who I say I am and defame my integrity and business based on absolutely nothing? I certainly hope not, and shame on you for having done that exact thing here. To re-answer the original poster's question... great animals from a great guy. You can certainly buy with confidence.

Hopefully the proof is in the pudding for it isn't in any of your posts. I haven't down business with them, but merely from the fact when I had inquired on a certain animal they let me know of certain restrictions based on the species and its regulation. Other large and well thought of breeders never mentioned this even when prompted. So they were out to make a sale, HEH was following the law.

David
 

David,

It just so happens at least two other snakes you have posted pictures of can also be identified in the Brian Smith photo gallery. For someone that has so many snakes I find it to be another big coincidence how the few older snakes you posted pictures of at least three of them can be identified as once belonging to Damon Heyman/Brian Smith. Let’s think about this for a second. If you have one of the largest collection of boids what are the odds that three of the snakes you happen to posted pics of can be proven to have once belonged to Brian Smith? It also appears these were in his possession shortly before you first appeared. I’m well aware that snakes do change hands often times. If this was the only thing that didn’t add up, I never would have posted. Fact is the timing of him moving east and the time you first showed up is another big coincidence. The fact that you advertise a near identical trade in policy, and guarantee as Brian Smith did is another big coincidence. The fact you and him have both publicly stated you want to keep and breed every python species and morph is a big coincidence.

For those of you that support David right now,

I first want to say I respect your view points, and you are free to come to your own conclusion about what has been posted. However, why don’t you seem to care how long he has been around? He presents him self as having one of the biggest collections of boids and yet there is no evidence out there that he even existed less than a year ago. Look at all the other big breeders out there. How many of them popped up over night? The two posts he has made here answered no questions directly, and yet that seemed to be enough for you guys to dismiss all this. How many big coincidences will it take before you can see that something isn’t adding up? He never answered those questions about the two threads disappearing from kingsnake that showed he had the same rockXburm female in what he claimed to be two different projects. Those threads David started were up long past the time my post questioning him got deleted. The moderators had no reason to delete those posts. The only reason I can see why they would is if the topic starter requested they be deleted, which I know the moderators will do.

Ben Rogers

I was able to show you where both David and Brian Smith had this similar policy. If you can show me where another credible breeder has this similar policy and guarantee I would really love to see it. I've been around this hobby for 12 + years and it looks very unique to me.

Ben Rogers

Show us the money aka the pics and other evidence?

Ben
 

Could you recap what the problem with Damon aka Brian Smith is. Does that 636 post thread only have to do with using a fake name??
The problem as I see it is that HEH doesn't have to prove anything to you. Several have vouched for them and they deny being connected with anyone. The ball is in your court not theirs.

Sorry, I forgot to include the other pics
 

First, here is a post by Brian Smith showing he claims he wants to produce every python species and morph. Something very similar is posted on higend herps homepage. Now how many breeders do you know have actually said this? I know it's not an ace in the hole, but considering everything else I think it's worth looking at. How many idetical views and statements can two people really have without ever being connected?

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...38763&key=2003

Here is one of the tiger retics Brian Smith has in his photo gallary
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...&si=briansmith

Here is the same snake found on Highendherps page. I'm not sure if I can legally post a direct link to the pic so I'll just send a link to the page. It is the tiger at the bottom.
http://www.highendherps.com/wst_page8.html

Here is a second tiger retic found in Brian Smith's gallary
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/21217DCP_0023_1.JPG

There was a picture on Highendherps site showing this snake, but I don't seem to see it on there anymore. I have it saved, but I don't know if it's ok to post it and how posting pics from his page works legally.

Ben Rogers

You know, I have purchased several animals from one person before that were produced by NERD. I also have a boa that once belonged to three other people, all of which I can name. To everyone here; How many snakes do you own? How many do you tell people you own? I am sure many people own a lot more then they tell other. I had quite a large collection of animals before I ever showed up, heck, I will have even more before I am securly established in breeding and selling, right now all my sales are local and between friends. I know many people that want to keep and breed every python and boa morph out there, are you saying that David and Brian/Damon are the only two people you have ever heard of wanting to breed that many snakes? I am not completely discounting anything you have posted, but more evidence is clearly needed.

David, can you show proof of purchase of each of those animals that are in question, as of now there are 3 of them? Also who did you purchased them from? How long have you been in the reptile trade? Have you ever lived in California? How long have you lived in Louisiana? What is your blood type? What is the size of your left foot? Is your right arm longer then your left arm? Did you shoot JR?

David, if you are born in September 1968 you are 37 years old as your profile says. When you were Damon(aka Brian) and caught in Arizona with illegal alligators in April 2005 you were 38 years old. How in the world did your age decrease with time?

You know it is really hard to identify that tiger retic when you can see mainly the right side of the snake on HEH's page and mainly the left side of the snake on Brian's photo gallery. The second retic photo does nothing for us if we do not see HEH's photo you have a picture copy of.

Ben
 

I am not a man that is easily riled, but this here is beginning to ruffle my feathers a bit for sure. That being said, I am a firm believer in always treating others with kindness and respect, regardless of how they approach me, so I will still do my best to be patient and not argumentative with you. To this point my wife and I have been polite and have tried our best to deal with your questions in a kindly manner. But it has become apparent that your questions are such that only answers you want to hear will do. No matter what we say you seem dug in deep as a deer tick in winter time on this idea that we are in some way connected with these guys that scammed you or ripped you off. For the last time, we are not.

But that brings some questions of my own to mind. You come on here and accuse us of somehow being involved in what these other guys did to you, but you never said what it was that they did. Now, I am just curious but what exactly did they do to you and when? I’m sure others are curious too.

Did you send them money for a snake or snakes and they never sent them?
Did they get a snake from you and fail to pay?
Did they sell you sick snakes that died?
Did you send them snakes as part of a breeding arrangement and not get offspring or your snakes back?
Did you have a trade with them, ship first and never receive the trade animals back?

I am really curious as to just what those fellas did that is causing you to go around looking for similarities in other businesses and accuse good, honest folks. It must have been very serious, judging by your hound-dog-like veracity. Digging up old posts and all. And don’t get me wrong. I can certainly sympathize, feel empathy and even relate to an extent. I have had some not-so-good deals in my day. And they do stick with you, no doubt about it. But I did browse through that Brian/Damon Smith thread for a spell and I couldn’t find anything, anywhere what it was they did to you. Of course I read about every 9th page, it was so doggone long.

Also, you posted to me in various forums for the last three or four months calling me Damon. It didn’t make sense then but now I know why and it all fits. But my question about that is, if them other guys ripped you off and you thought all along we were them, why did you not bring it to the BOI way back then? Why did you wait all this time to jump in with this only when someone asked about us as sellers? You’d think if them other fellas did something so wrong to you and you thought we were them, that you would have posted here about it immediately to warn others. I only ask this because it makes me question what your real motives here might be. It appears as if you only are intending to damage me, my family, our business and the High End Herps name. I hope this is not the case and that you genuinely are just off on some bizarre quest to find the folks that did bad by you.


As to your other posts concerning 'Not answering your questions'.... I don't really know just who you think you are, or who you think I am or what your sense of reality is. But when it comes right down to it I most certainly do not owe you answers to your single minded questions that are only designed to do me and my livlihood and thus my family, harm. I don't know if you fancy yourself a High Falutin big city lawyer and I am some 2-bit street thug in the defendants box that has to answer to you, but I'm not. And I don't. And you aren't.

I am going to make this my last post directed at you or anyone else that tries to connect us to known scammers. I'm also fixing to talk to a lawyer tomorrow to find out if any of this is illegal and maybe pursue some legal course of action. After all, this is my business you are inpugning and my name you are besmirching and my sole source of income you are threatening. So these statements and insinuations are potentially damaging to my livlihood in my eyes.

Just a few more questions Ben and Adrian:

Are you over 18 years of age?
Do you own property or a home?
Do you rent or still live at home?
Why didn’t you post here right away?
Just what was it Damon and Brian did to you?

Answer my questions for a change.

David Beauchemin

The fraction of my idea that you quoted:

You went on to say:

Ben Rogers



The entire idea that I originally posted:


Please don't use partial sections of something I said to "illustrate" that the statement I made is incorrect. If the difference between High End Herps and the folks I was referring to is that High End Herps posts their trade in policy on their website and others do not, then your request for me to show you evidence that someone on this earth other that HEH and this Brian fellow have it is completely redundant. Such evidence exists in private emails and telephone conversations with several different breeders of large constrictors (Retics, Burms, Afrocks), none of who's name am I going to attach to a BOI thread that you have made negative and absurd. Furthermore I can think of dozens of people off the top of my head who have said to me and others that they would like to breed every species and morph of constrictor. I myself have said it. In fact I think you'd be hard pressed to find a herp enthusiast that you could pose that question to and get an answer of "no" in response. Lastly, two pictures that show absolutely nothing other than that both snakes in them are tiger retics is almost (but not quite) as weak as one random picture of a snake this fellow once owned and how we all will just have to take your word for it that the same one once appeared on High End Herps' website. What a compelling argument you make. If all you intend to do is continue to post conspiracy theories and falsehoods, only to have them ripped apart by the public shortly after, then it seems that it might be a good idea for you to give this wild goose chase up... you're beginning to look like a fool.

Gee when someone starts throwing around their lawyer here it kind of makes me wonder...I was just reading this thread with some interest as Ben was finding some coincidences and David wasn't being very forthright(yeah I know he can do as he pleases) Could just be David getting angry but how many times have we seen people throw out the big L word right before we discovered bad things were done to the pooch.

David that was not a good idea it's been done by many a bad guy here in the past , they threaten people with their Lawyer in a fading hope that it will stop the wolves. Well I was sitting on the fence on this one but now I am beginning to wonder if there is some truth to what Ben has brought here. Care to answer his questions now and put this to rest before it gets out of hand?? Randy

Michael,
If you look at the picture on his website and find the long stripe on the left side just below the kid in the picture and use that for a reference point you can find that same stripe in the other picture. From there you can look at the other markings. If you zoom in you can see they are the same scale for scale in both pictures.

As for the other picture that was on HEH’s page, I would have no problem posting it if I knew I wouldn’t get in trouble for doing so. That is the only thing keeping me it as I know there is some sort of copyright thing on the photos from his page

David
 

I'll happily answer all your questions if you answer all mine. So, far I haven't gotten much of anything from you and I'm not sure why you don't want dissprove any of my observations.

James
 

Sorry James,
I read your whole post, but other than the post I’ve seen you make on other forums I’ve never known you to be an actual breeder. Not saying you aren’t, I just don’t know you and never looked into it. When did you first start telling people you will take back a customer’s snake that gets to big? What all have you been breeding? BTW, Highendherps is the one who claims his 4 month guarantee is “unheard of”. So, if it’s so common maybe you should talk to him about it. All I know is I don’t see any one else advertising such policies or guarantees, and it looks relevant to me as these two people happen to be the only ones I’ve seen. Like I said, if you can show me otherwise, I would love to see it. Personally, if I was going to buy from someone with these policies and guarantees I would like to know how long they have actually been around. What good is a trade in policy if they aren’t there when you are ready to do so?

As for the pictures, if you look closer, they match scale for scale.

Just curious, how long have you known David? Something tells me it’s been less than a year. I would assume that for everyone that’s posted though.

Ben Rogers

Ben wrote:

How about just these regarding Brian Smith?
Kevin

I would like to know the answers to these questions Also. Just for the record I'm not a big time breeder "But" I myself have a similar policy as HEH and just because you never heard of me, that doesn't mean that this policy isn't used by others JMHO.

Hit submit to quick. Can anyone here that has more snakes(animals) coming through their facility then people going through Grand Central Station during rush hour remember who they all came from ????? I know I for one couldn't :rofl: But point to fact David and his wife may of picked them up from someone that got them from Brian/Damon there is an option that has not come to light here, I don't personally know David and his wife but I do know of their reputation here and thats all I have to go on till I'm proved wrong. So if someone has hard proof saying they aren't who they say they are, then this is all for not.

Okay, I can see the similar markings, chances of it being a different retic is slim to none. Though there are a few extra markings on the gallery picture that are not on HEH's picture so I do not see a scale for scale match, I see a large blotch and smaller blotch matches. Only David can answer the reason for having the same snakes. So what? That is still not enough to proof.

I am still curious about the age question I posted. If Damon was 38 last year then he would probably be 39 this year. According to David's profile, he is only 37 as of today.

Ben, before we go any futher, I think it is important to let everyone know why you are on the witch hunt. So if Brian/Damon/David are all one people, what wrong(besides owning alligators illegally) did they commit? You have not given us any reason as to why this is so important to you. If you are going to such labors trying to prove he is one in the same person, there must be more to your story you are not telling. Please share.

I agree, I would like to know what these guys did to him that makes him so insane with finding them that he goes off half cocked over a picture of a snake that they *might* have owned before us. Did they even have snakes??

I just read a little more on the Brian/Damon thread and it did get a little interesting. It seems that they were lying about having snakes. Does anyone even know if they actually HAD any snakes? When asked to prove it they seemed to clam up. I know this is off topic on this thread but now I am a little curious, lol. [I know, curiosity kills the cat].

Also, it seems apparent to me, [at least by post 600], that one of the guys beat his wife and threatened to shoot her and got into some trouble for that and she left him over it. I wonder if this Ben is an ex-boyfriend, or a brother, a cousin, or a friend to the ex-wife. That sure would explain his hatred for one of them. I know that ANY normal man would go to the ends of the world to even it up with someone that did wrong by their sister or cousin or whatnot.

Tawni Beauchemin

This is getting very aggravating
 

1) The tiger pictures in question:

Both of the snakes look very similiar that true. But in my eyes they don't look like the exact same snake scale to scale. Snakes trade hands often in the reptile community of breeders, especially the large python species. I used to own several large Retics and Burms that I sold to large and small breeders. Are some of those snakes pictured on my website, Yes. Could they possibly be posted on their new owners side, totally. Does that mean that I am in cahoots, or the same person/business under a new name Hell No!
All I can say in that you (Brian & Adrian) must have zero experience with Retics. I only say that because if you've seen one normal patterned (or "classic" in the industry) Tiger Retic you've seen them all. They all look exactly the same!!!!

2) 4 Month Guaruntee

I have delt (bought and sold) with some large and small named breeders in the industry, out of respect I'll leave their names out of it, and only HEH has it posted on their website that they have this long of guaruntee. Granted usually no breeder will refuse the return of an adult snake, especially an adult female. In the large pythons big girls and boys are readly accepted back by the breeder/seller because there is a chance the animal can make them some money by either breeding the animals out or selling an adult snake. Hell if I was called and was requested to take an adult snake back I'd have a very tuff time refusing that. Wouldn't you!!!!!!???
I think I got off point. So here it is. I've been around the reptile industry a long time and have not seen a policy like this. Regardless of "how long they've been around" I have heard zero complaints or accusations of HEH's service or animals, other than you Ben.

3) Not being around very long

I have been in the reptile industry for 15 years. I've bred, sold, and bought several different species. Have you ever heard of me before? I decided to turn my hobby into a little business in 2004. Have you ever heard of me after 04 and prior to this post? My little business really took off if 2005 and my name started to get out there a little bit as expanded my clientel. Did you ever hear of me in 2005, prior to this post?
So because of my only being in business for two years does that mean I am shady, have poor aniamls, do not stand by what I say, know nothing?????? Not in the slightes. I have done the deal for 15 years, 2 yrs as a legiment business, I am here to stay and so are my guaruntees and terms that I have made with clients.

Like everyone else, I'd REALLY like to know what the deal is between you and this Brian/Damon guy(s). So please answer all the questions that the others have posted.
Did you send them money for a snake or snakes and they never sent them?
Did they get a snake from you and fail to pay?
Did they sell you sick snakes that died?
Did you send them snakes as part of a breeding arrangement and not get offspring or your snakes back?
Did you have a trade with them, ship first and never receive the trade animals back?

I thought this was suppose to be a inquiry on people who HAS dealt with HEH?
Why does it even matter if this IS the same snake? It simply amazes me that people spend so much time and effort trying to dig up dirt on someone and make them look guilty without any hard evidence? There seems to be some major similarities, yes. Did this Brian Smith character rip somebody off ?
I have never ordered from HEH but wouldn't hesitate to do so, unless I hear something negative, with proof to back it up.
Just my thoughts.

Micah,isn't that the true :rofl: