he has a rostral that is kinda inbetween it does have a split but it does not curve up it still has the downward angle

I understand what you are seeing but I really think that comes with age...Like I said the rostral in those pictures is literally 1 week old :D I can't wait for Lee to post pictures of the rostrals he was talking about in his post.

i know we need more to compare! i do think it comes with age which sucks because we need to be able to pick out some traites to identify young chams aswsell

Also Tom I know you have purchased many that you didn't think were pure when they colored up as well as the brother to Maromo above I think it would be really educational to see the different animals you have been through and get opinions on them. I don't think you need to post where you got the animals for this discussion. (trying to stay away from the defensive posturing for this discussion) I just think it would be nice to compare what has been sold as pure and wither people agree that they are not. It would be a nice compare as well to the pure animals that are posted in the thread.

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heres a pic of a cham from motreal (faly)

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heres a pic of a cham from another breeder (faly)

and here is a ambanja note rostray curve
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and here is a mitsio not mine. but notice the short rostral
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I am trying to get others to post up their animals at any age so that we can really get a group to look at. It just is really hard because many breeders have more to loose than gain by posting pictures up and having people look at them and openly give opinions.

The problem with using Rostral at all, is often you don't get to see the animals before you purchase them, the rostral develops at a later age and continues development till after 1 y/o. Also Faly seem to develop slower than many locales. So even if you could start to see it at say 3-4mo on many locales you might not be able to in many clutches of Faly.

I commend Chuck for selling individual animals with pictures and once they are developed enough to get an idea as to what the animal is going to look like. I have yet to see anyone else take this approach and I feel it really is a great approach with a local like Nosy Faly.

So since this is about pictures here is one at 4+ mo and 3g

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What can you tell about Rostral??

True man you can not tell at 3 months the rostral but look at the back of his head shap:) one day i will post some pics I just have to have a free sec.lol full time job and breeding panther chameleon and haveing a family life all at the same time is very busy. But if you are apart of the cham forum you can search my post until i get a sec to post also red island and chameleon north west all have pics I am talking about.
On a side not not to cause drama just a observation rob you see that off coloring behind your boys are in the pic above? All my ch had that and so did a lot of others that got these ch faly maybe that's a good marker...JMO and i got heat on the cham forum for my ch faly babies having some off color and they were only 3 months old.