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Show me where the proposed amendment, or the law it is trying to amend, considers dog and cats "wildlife". You, and apparently those you know, are over thinking the wording of the proposed amendment.
I am done here. You obviously think you can't be wrong and your "ridiculous" interpretation can't be argued, so what is the point in continuing this back and forth? |
I have shown you repeatedly, but Ill try one last time to get you to understand. This is copied directly from the bill, found here-->
http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/549454 Exotic wildlife." The phrase includes[, but is not limited 15 to, all bears, coyotes, lions, tigers, leopards, jaguars, 16 cheetahs, cougars, wolves and any crossbreed of these animals 17 which have similar characteristics in appearance or features. 1 The definition is applicable whether or not the birds or animals 2 were bred or reared in captivity or imported from another state 3 or nation.] all nonindigenous animals and the following, 4 regardless of whether the animals are bred or reared in 5 captivity or imported from another state or nation: 6 (1) All members of the order Primates (nonhuman 7 primates). 8 (2) All members of the family Ursidae (bears). 9 (3) All members of the species: 10 (i) Canis latrans (coyotes). 11 (ii) Canis lupus (gray wolves). 12 (iii) Canis rufus (red wolves). 13 (iv) Felis rufus (bobcat). 14 (v) Panthera leo (lions). 15 (vi) Panthera tigris (tigers). 16 (vii) Panthera pardus (leopards). 17 (viii) Panthera unica (snow leopards). 18 (ix) Neofelis nebulosa (clouded leopard). 19 (x) Panthera onca (jaguars). 20 (xi) Acinonyx jubatus (cheetahs). 21 (xii) Felis concolor (cougars). 22 (xiii) Any crossbreed of the animals specified in 23 this paragraph which have similar characteristics in 24 appearance or features. 25 The term shall not be construed to include any member of the 26 class Aves (birds), any member of the families Equidae (horses, 27 asses and zebras), Camelidae (camels, alpacas and llamas), 28 Cervidae (deer, moose and elk), Bovidae (wild cattle and spiral- 29 horned antelopes), Muridae (rats and mice), Chinchillidae 30 (chinchillas and viscachas), Leporidae (rabbits and hares), 20110HB1398PN2997 - 2 - 1 Erinaceidae (hedgehogs and moonrats), Petauridae (gliders and 2 striped possums) or any member of the species Mustela furo 3 (domestic ferrets) or Cavia porcellus (domestic guinea pigs). In red is the part that applys. As you can see it says that all nonidingenous animals are considered exotic wildlife. In green you see the species that the law says are exempt. It takes the time to list cattle and horses but not cat nor dogs. Again, as they are not included in the list of exempt species and cats and dogs are nonindingenous animals, therefor they fall into that category in which the law says they are exotic wildlife. The text is right in front of you. How can you argue it?? Its spelled out. Im sorry if you dont understand but its what the law says. You obviously can't back up your argument of I'm wrong and just storm off. I will ask yet again, if you are that sure that I am wrong, point out the flaws in my argument. The law is right in front of you, show me where and how Im wrong and I am more than man enough to admit my mistake. |
Perhaps if you were reading the most up-to-date version of the bill you would see that your interpretation is wrong.
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Did not know they finally updated it. Ty for the correction.
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ok- so i am completly confused- is it the permit speil or a ban ( since after some date no more permits will be given out? I am reading all this info, and its confusing- where is it saying after certian date no ermits will be given out?
would it be 25 per animal or what? |
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after I posted i did see a paragraph that did sound kinda confusing:
(1) Commencing on January 1, 2012 2013, the commission 27 shall not issue permits for the possession of exotic 28 wildlife, except as set forth in sections 2930 (relating to 29 propagating permits), 2962 (relating to exotic wildlife 30 dealer permits) and 2964(a) (relating to menagerie permits) 20110HB1398PN2997 - 3 - nd 58 Pa. Code § 147.302 (relating to general). However- 25$ per animal is rediculous- i have a breeding collection- so its gonna be expensive. And for what reason? i guess they have to suck what money they can get b/c they are having money issues.. Yeah, them looking at my place has its drawbacks.. but its not like I have anything to hide... My snakes are housed properly- but how can I trust the people inspecting know proper knowledge? Are rack systems gonna be considered secure by them? Or are they gonna think its inhumane that the bps are kept in the racks despite the issues keeping in tanks? how often do they have to check your place? t just draws up too many questions.... Is there any talk of when this is gonna be set in place? Any word from USARK? |
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I'm pretty sure the bill that will not allow permits after jan 2013 is HB 1398, I believe and hope this is just for large exotics such as lions tigers and such, I don't see anything in that bill mentioning reptiles specifically. There a bll HB 2233 that is specifically for reptile that state that a 25$ fee per animal will be needed for a permit, it makes no mention that they will not be issued after jan 2013 but states that that's when the law will implemented.
It seems that reptile keepers are safe for now, I hope this is the case anyway, I'll take a tax over a ban. |
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