Yesterday I was talking to a person (name withheld for now) and this wacko told me that he has been to my home while i was gone and took photos of my house and surrounding buildings and animals that are kept outside and if that is not odd enough he told me that he and his wife often follow me around town.Working on the knowlege that he is a thief i called the sheriff's dept. they have talk to the people that live on my road and now have them looking for this person old vanand i have a meeting with the states att. in the morning they seem to think that he is casing the place to rob or he is gay (deputies words not mine) but durring our conversation he and his wife said that they were going to be at the tampa show to do all kinds of crap to me.Now my question is in this situation what would you all do?We all know that once a snake is stolen it is gone and I can't stay here all the time. thank you for any replies <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

Dave...You are CORRECT!! Do NOT touch the Television! WE control the Vertical! WE control the Horizontal! ...etc....lol
Maybe he works for The Animal Planet and he's doing a study of the mating rituals of certain rare humanoid species?? I'd check for cameras in the bathroom and over your bed!! DO IT NOW!! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!! hahaha ....Neil

I am just curious, where do you live? Why don't you name this a##hole and wife? You might want to hire an attack dog for your house and one for your yard. Ask your neighbors to keep an eye on your house for you and if they see anything suspicious to pay attention to auto type, tag #, description of people. Maybe if they are aware in advance of what is going on, I guess they probably are if the police have already traveled your neighborhood, they will be able to focus on the details to be able to really help you. Have you thought of implanting your animals with microchips? Just some ideas.
Good luck. I sleep with a gun and I have a Golden Retriever that has the most ferocious bark you have ever heard. Hey quit laughing, his head must weigh 20 pounds! He looks intimidating even if he is a Golden.

Welp, there are 2 real possibilites.
1) Your state attorney is a complete moron
2) This person (aside from being strange) is a complete moron.

WHY I ask you, would the person TELL YOU he's following you around and knows where you live or has photographed your place if he's going to rob it? WHY?! That's why the State Att is a moron. If &nbsp;he does steal something, or does something, then HE is the moron. You're obviously going to have extra security on your cages and house after him telling you this.

PS:Just wait til he starts inserting subseven viruses and messing w/ you and your computer. They can bring up a non moveable, minimizeable nor closeable chatroom, they can print stuff, show you documents of yours, make your CD drive go in and out and they can make your harddrive make the loudest, longest &nbsp;incessant beep (like those TV testing things on max volume&#33<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>. Yep, that's real fun when they do that (not). It's pretty scary, especially when you're clueless about it.

I was ask by the deputies to not give his name yet!!!!!They do have some very good reasons.I do have 2 very mean dogs that do run the yard at night(and day now)the whole road (all 2 houses are watching for me)the police were nice enough to give us the make ,modles ,years and tag # to both their van and truckand after they saw what i have and what they are worth they set up a extra patrol.What the state att. is doing i guess i will know more in the morning and yes this guy and wife are morons (i'm sure they are brother and sister.)I will be giving his name.adress and ph.#as soon as i can.I do know that he is a suspect in a burgury in tampa and i have found out that maybe one in westley chapel to and the employees at a shop in plant city where he stole geckos all of these are pet shops in Florida and all with in a 30 minute drive.I do not understand how a man with 5 kids living on welfare can have albino boas,beardies out the butt and several other high end reptiles. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

Two suggestions for you: &nbsp;
&nbsp;#1 &nbsp;Buy a Gun!
&nbsp;#2 &nbsp;Install a video camera in and/or outside your house.
&nbsp;

&nbsp;Cameras catch everybody, if you put it in the right place. &nbsp;It's a shame people have to gaurd their homes like Fort Knox because scumbags would rather steal something rather than do it the old fashioned way, &nbsp;EARN IT!!!! &nbsp;Good Luck!

I should have revealed the fact that people i am talking about are famous for posting under several names and e-mails.They l
like to make big claims and and then make replies under false names.I have been thinking of the cameras for awhile now.My biggest concern with this person is what to do at the Tampa show i will speak to the show director and the police dept. for the area the sheriff's deputy said to get a injuction against him and his wife and that way they have to stay 500 feet away from me at the show but what will a moron do to animals at my house? <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;because like it was pointed out in a earlier post he must be a real fool to tell me that he and his wife are stalking me and people that are that bold are a threat and will do anything. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

dave,
please let us know they're names asap. i'm a tampon <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> and would like to know who to watch for.
steve

Well Steve I will do just that as soon as i can,as you can see from my earlier post this morning I met with the State ATT. and it would seem that these people have been very bad and they along with a couple others are being looked at very closely for several thiefts.I do have a police report in hand that kind of explains what they do and who is doing it and the people that they do it to,but until I get the okay from the victim I have to keep it to myself but when I can I will post it for all to see and it tells a story of 4 people that use the police to help in thier crimes to steal snakes.But luck would have it that the police dept. in this county did thier job and discovered the lies and misleading statements by these a$$holes and they &nbsp;(police) returned the snakes to thier rightful owners and it is my understanding that they are now investigating the 4 people that claimed to be the victims.

Dave...as you know...I KNOW whom you're talking about! IF this guy has the animals you SAY he has....Those are EXACTLY what was STOLEN from ME!! 6' Albino Female Boa, 7' Male Anery Boa, and FOUR ADULT PAIR of high-end GRAVID Beardies!! Make SURE the cops know about this!! PLEASE??? ....Neil

They do, trust me .I think that they know more than we think.Apparently this scumbag has photos trying to sell it.But he is saying or telling people that it really belongs to a man in north florida.Don't worry Neil I will make sure that you are looked after.the herp world needs to stick together and remove any and all bad apples and the best way to do it is to " NOT BUY FROM THEM" i KNOW THIS FAT BOY and every disease know to man is running in his cages and animals.But a honest person will not buy from him due to the fact that he sells on the Black market.He lives only 1 mile from my house and I know most of the people living on his road so they are watching him and the cars that visit,see his kids are known thieves to the people that live there

That is a horrible story.. spam_ spam_ <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> spam_ spam_ spam_ I live just above the Florida border in GA and I am anxious to see the names as well. spam_

ALSO: spam_My hobby is reptiles, my "real" job concerns Computers and Hidden Cameras. spam_I sell/repair/install etc computers, networks and the "Nanny Cam" spam_hidden cams in everyday items like coffee makers, radios etc. spam_IF you would like more info please give me an email. spam_Being in the spot you are in I would gladly give you a discount not normally offered to regular clients. spam_WHY you ask? spam_Because it was already said once - HERPERS NEED TO STICK TOGETHER.

Thanks and best of luck with your situation.
Shawn Morelan
www.southernboids.com

if you have had trouble here with them before...then I guess I know them

yes , the person that I speaking of was mentioned in a old post of mine but I will say that no it is not Ray Marteliz that I am talking about here but it is one of his "friends".

Dave, &nbsp;We feel for you man, &nbsp;Im sure your having some sleepless nights and we can relate. &nbsp;What you should definetly do though is invest a measley $100. in a motion detector spy cam. &nbsp;It hooks up to your VCR and records secretly when there is any motion in a room. &nbsp;A hundred bucks can be a lot but when its your welfare at least you'll have the proof when looking to prosicute if you cant gaurd your house all the time. &nbsp;We were robbed a little over two months ago and the animals were returned as I found out myself who did it, but I had no proof but the kids own confession to me. &nbsp;But through some real SHOTTY police work they never picked the perpetrator up soon enough, even after I gave them the address. &nbsp;So the punk got counceled by a Lawyer and came up with a story and an alibi that he got backed with over a week and a half to come up with it. &nbsp;So even with his confession to me I was powerless to prosicute the scum bag. &nbsp;So do whatever is nessacary to get the evidence needed as you cant gaurd your house 24-7 unfourtunatly. &nbsp;Good luck and I hope for the best for you. &nbsp;I am in Florida as well in Titusville and if I can ever be of service in helping out let me know. &nbsp; Michael Beberman

Thanks mike , I am looking into cameras that will video the inside of the house, all the animals and the yard but it is going to run around $5,000 I am trying to get in touch with the guy that did Neil's cameras the alarmsystem will be active hopfully Saturday.I have to much to lose to let some welfare collecting "FATBOY" AND HIS "INBRED WIFE" STEAL IT.But the thing the gets me the most is that I live out in the country and I should not have to deal with the B.S. that certain people (that will be named later) have for the last several months.They started it but God help me I will end it and the people that know me best know that I am the wrong man to mess with.

I find this very funny,I never mentioned Madison Co. until a person (robo) posted it The only thing that overlaps in this case and Madison is a person named Dale Sargeant that is a good friend of the guy that is following me and coming to my house to take photos and of course the fact that this Joyce posted on one of the other boards and she has a 37.com e-mail addy but this person keeps going out of her (?)way to defend people that she says she doesn't know.Think back to before the old forum went down she posted under Joyce Johnson and said she lived with me at some point.If you all want to know I think that this "FATBOY" that is stalking me uses the &nbsp;name "Joyce" whenever he is feeling more like a "LADY".Now as for post being deleted I have not ask them to be or know why but I would guess it is do to the fact that you are to stupid to obey the rules and use your full name.I will how ever ask the web slave to leave your last post and to find out if this "JOYCE" AND "ROBO" are in fact the same person I also wilol ask "JOYCE" AND "ROBO" to post using your real names and your real e-mail addresses not false ones that way we can see if you are "ROBO","JOYCE" OR "DIANE".

<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp; I THINK THEY SHOULD CALL THIS FULL TIME SOAP:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;"ON THE EDGE OF FLORIDA"

Lola lot of boobs?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??? Give us a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lola , Ido know these people and yes your story sounds alittle off but I would have to agree that these peoplemay have stolen your pets I have heard rumors that "FATBOY" IS KNOWN FOR FEEDING PET ANIMALS TO HIS (?) REPTILES (CATS,DOGS ECT......)The local authorities were sent out but there was not proof (go figure)I guess they thought that they would find fluffys dog tags in snake crap.Anyway If you do think that you live near this family then give me a call at 813-788-2650 and if you do and you have reptiles I would think about moving.Some people may think this is a joke but it is not because everytime A &nbsp;pet shop or a home is burgerized and the reason for it is to steal reptiles the lawmakers start to come up with laws that make it a little harder to own them. That is why people need to stand up and let everyone know the stuff that is going on and run people like "FATBOY" OUT OF THIS HOBBY <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> .I will be posting his name soon I just want to get the vitim ok first.

I still do not for sure who you are so why don't you just use your real name?And if you knew as much as you say you do then you would know that Dale P. Sargeant has the very worst name in the reptile world ask any of the big named breeders he has stolen from them all.

Lola (?) ....If you want ANYBODY to help you...STOP ACTING LIKE A FOOL AND USE YOUR REAL NAME!!! If you don't.....NOBODY ON THIS LINE WILL GIVE YOU THE TIME OF DAY!!! WE DON'T LIKE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO HIDE!! ....Neil

WELL SAID NEIL!!!!! That goes for Joycie and Robo to .By hiding behind a false name nothing the you post means anything other then you are a liar and have something to hide (like the truth)

Brisco (another one named wonder)prove that I have done anything wrong back up your statement and I were Neil I would be making you prove your lost statement in court.But then again I just concider the source and figure you are a "A$$HOLE".

Brisco
whats your full name?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
You can remark all you want , but who will listen
I now have cameras and the set up only cost 210$
What this all boils down to is...
protect your livestock
monitor your livestock
And watch your friends
Get a big Dog
Apple

I AM WONDERING WHY ALL OF THESE 1 NAMED WONDERS ALL JOINED WITHIN THE LAST 48 HOURS,HAVE ONLY POSYED 1 TIME ON THIS POST AND WE KNOW THAT JOYCIE HAS ALREADY ADMITTED TO BEING A LIAR.THEY HAVE ALL COMMENTED ON THE SAME SUBJECT (MADISON COUNTY) BUT HAVE SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE POST AT HAND.

Brisco, Lola, and Joycie, why don't you guys put all your brains together to understand the basic rule that Webslave keeps mention about using your real name in BOI <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>, or because you guys just have "lots of boobs" and "kahonas," but have no brains to remember your names? <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
John Nguyen
Boa Voyage

<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> man thats B.S post their names allready ,,,, and neil get the cops and go there and get your animals,i am blown away at reading this, i sent money for neils help on catching these scumbags(only 20&#036<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> but still from here it sounds like the case is figured out i can garentee if my animals were stolen and i new where they were i would go get them,and if someone told me they were stalking my house and taking pics of my animals well lets just say they would not be able to ''walk away'' after supplying me w/such info anyway post the names allready thats what the board is for good luck thomas davis T&S reptile farm

OK, I'm not going to be screwing around any longer. &nbsp;If people continue to post without their REAL full names, I will delete their login records. &nbsp;You will get tired of this a lot quicker than I will. &nbsp;I can also set this up that I can review all applications to get a logon ID and simply deny them as I see fit. &nbsp;This board does give me some interesting tools to deal with problem posters.

So keep it up. &nbsp;I can see the IP addresses of EVERYONE whom posts on this board in every message they post.

Go ahead, make my day. &nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

WebSlave

Rich....I love ya, but...stop "SAYING" it, and just "DO IT"!! ....Neil Gubitz

Neil,

I think the Webslave was trying to insinuate that he KNOW'S
<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> where these people are posting from, possibly the same address. &nbsp;This is probably the same person. &nbsp;It's a real shame that these idiots are out there, and there is nothing you can do for fear of screwing up the "legal" process......well, what ever happened to "justice" &nbsp;Neil wants his friggin anaimals back, Dave wants to be left alone, and we all want to see these people racked. &nbsp;Sometimes I wish we lived in the dark ages.......in any case....WEBSLAVE.....keeping recording those IP addresses, these people seem to be dumber than we gave them credit for......

Good Luck to all involved......Dave, try to get some rest, and keep those dogs hungry, if that doesn't work, I'm sure you know somebody that can loan you some forest cobras or black mambas.......hey, that's an idea......switch all your high ticket snakes for say russels vipers, then LET these people "steal" your snakes.....talk about a surprise......hee hee........I mean, it wouldn't be YOUR fault....breaking and entering, trespassing, attempted burglery, cruelty to animals (after all, they NEED the venom to survive and the would've WASTED it on the likes of these people.)

Anyway, I'll stop thinking now.....always gets me in trouble

Good luck
Todd Evams

Here is the trouble with me posting just their names and what they did and how they did it, they can simply come on the board and deny it and then a flame war start and that gets us nowhere.But I will leave it up to everyone here and the webslave if you want me to post names and what they did I will but I do want you all to understand that I will not be posting the police report until I get the ok from the victems.I will tell it like it says in the report but will remove the names of the victems.

well <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> this has became apperent who this theif is?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> i guess we just do things ''different'' in texas! &nbsp;anyway it is bizzarre &nbsp;to read this like someone said earlier its kinda like a soap i hope it all turns out for everyone well except the theif he deserves what he gets,jailed,publicly humiliated,banned from the herp comunity-strung-up,,well im sure it will all come to light soon(i hope) anxiously waiting <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> ,,,,,,thomas davis T&S reptile farm

I gotta agree
Post the names ....of course , to protect the names of victims, don't post them.
I would sure hate it if I went to Florida as I do once a year, and did a deal with a thief!!!
These people need to be shamed and brought out in the open.
Made examples of or whatever <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
I also got an e-mail from Brisco p. Darlin
something about proof , when he responds back I'll post the
article &nbsp;
Apple

I will be very interested to hear what Brisco has to say since the people that know about it are involved are the wrong side.

Dave,
&nbsp; &nbsp;PLEASE! Lets see the police report?? &nbsp;Victims names?? &nbsp;If you have a police report with the victims names on it? &nbsp;It is either public record in which case it does not matter if you show the victims names? &nbsp;Or you are a cop <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;
Tom &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

okay looks like I missed out on all the fun.
Oh well maybe next time.

Why is it that when someone says something bad about Dave B. Lawson.....They always gotta post with a fake name? &nbsp;Is it because it was just someone (1 person) with a vedetta and they wanna try and make us all believe that there are a lot of people who do not like dave?

The reason that I do not want to show the victims names is out of respect for them.But may post it and delet their names

Dave,
&nbsp; Something has just occurred to me! Boy am I a fool!! You started a thread about someone who has no name? Does this person really exist? And if they do? Why won't you tell us their name? &nbsp;Dave, I have nothing against you at all. BUT something does not seem right here? You can not tell me that the cops have not at least suggested that you get a restraining order against them?? I tell you one thing if I was in your shoes. And all of this did happen? One of us would have a restraining order against us and or one of us would be in jail!!! So Dave who is this thread about?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
&nbsp;Tom

Ok
There is alledgedly{spelling] an article In the Madison Enterprise Recorder which ran on jan 18 2001
I have E-mailed the paper and I am hoping to receive the article if not I will phone them.
When I get the article I will post it If there is such a story
Be neat to find out.
My next question is to you Dave, can you shed any light on this ?? answer carefully
peace
Apple

You are correct in about a injuction (restaining order) I thought that I has mentioned it a one of the post.In Florida there has to no less then 2 occassions where there was a threat of violance that can be proven I did fill out the paper work and I guess Monday I will see what the judge thinks.Now for the name of the person that is stalking me it is Richard Cole AKA FATBOY he lives at 39029 Bay Ave. Zephyrhills, Fl. 33540 and his ph.# is 813-780-6622 .He is the very worst kind of person.If you hear of him selling a animal please be careful chances are it is not his to sell and it will be sick.As far as the police report I was told by the Pasco co. sheriff desk officer that I can not put on the internet,but i can display a copy to the public (oh lets say at the tampa show).But I can read it to anyone that I want to so please call or e-mail me your # and i will read it to you word for word.