Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*
:ack2: Sorry! My apologies, I left off the name in the title**
This thread is about Ashley Caspillo (aka Sakara, aka SakaraGT & CaspilloConstrictors)and the possibility of IBD carrying snakes sold both here, elsewhere online, and offered for donation in a fundraising thread on another site. I have provided the following links, and I have accented remarks made that support/contradict important statements made, my thoughts/opinions are in blue. I realize it's very long, but I've tried to make it as easy to follow as possible. #1: Fauna BOI Bad Guy post found regarding Sakara (Ashley Caspillo's) claim regarding an IBD infected snake Dated: 11-19-2009 http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...&postcount=116 Quote:
* If you read the actual thread posted, She CLEARLY states she has a snake with IBD in her claim on Fauna. She also ADMITS said snake COULD have possibly infected some het albino boas she currently had up for sale. Why the sale ads for the babies were NOT IMMEDIATELY pulled I do not know. #2 Here's where she talked about the death of said boa on another forum http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/boa...boa-dying.html Quote:
He is in isolation and hasn't been around my collection in a while.. Quote:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...&postcount=172 #4) ON another forum her STORY CHANGES Posted 12-04-2009 http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/boa...tml#post750746 Quote:
Right here I'll interject with a link to a picture of her snake room posted 5 days AFTER her move: #5) Link to pictures showing the snake IN the room with the others on 10-3-2009 (2nd pic from top "MALE BCL") http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/cag...-done-now.html Someone mentions the "Moving day" was around Sept 28th, the pics were EXIF dated Oct. 3, so at LEAST 5 days that snake was with those others. Quote:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ight=SakaraGT4 Sold at least ONE Nov. 17th, 2009 #7) SAME snakes mentioned after questioned about possibly selling sick snakes: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...148034&page=13 [quote] I was devastated when I heard IBD... The snake never even exhibited IBD type symptoms... Even until the time that he passed away, he could still completely right himself if flipped over, climb up himself if I held him by the tail and as I said, he never showed any signs of IBD... I have been told that IBD tests can show false positives if a snake has other neurological issues or something... But as I said in my paragraph, the only true way to know is, unfortunately, if my other snakes start dying. As I stated, all the animals are here and are not leaving. Does it suck? yes... But I'm not going to sell possibly sick animals to people. Especially with the babies possibly having IBD. At least I am honest and will not let any of them go. #8) SAME boas offered for auction in a fundraising thread for TammyJamaica on RTB.net as of CURRENT (12-01-10) http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/auc...ion-tammy.html Ashley has admitted Quote:
It is my understanding that the absence of inclusion bodies does not necessarily mean the snake is not affected with IBD I get that information from Dr. Jacobson's site http://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/college/de...easeVirus.html Quote:
NOW when confronted with the findings, and the possibility of losing sales, she's retracted her confidence in the first vet's findings and has claimed a 2nd vet has discredited the initial findings, but has yet to post proof of that as well.. There's more links to snakes she's sold, and snakes she has bought. If need be, those links can also be provided. I'm of course, NOT saying she HAS IBD. I'm saying based on HER CLAIMS her snake DIED of VET PROVEN IBD. She alleged IBD all the way up to the last post made January 2010. (reference the first thread posted) Based on the photographic proof and her own admissions, she has NOT taken proper steps in quarantine to preserve the health of her collection or others, and, IMO should NOT be offering snakes for SALE or DONATION without these facts being available somewhere for review by potential buyers. She has NOW stated she won't sell any snakes, but I'm concerned about snakes she's ALREADY sold and the fact that she sold them after such questions were raised and never cleared regarding the death of the boa to suspected IBD |
thats what is so tough about ibd, even if a slight or tissue sample doesnt reveal any inclusion bodies, it doesnt mean that snake is free of it. its such a nasty tough disease, especially in the python/boa world
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Thank you for this information... From what I can see based on what you posted, it seems like she is not a person I'd like to work with. The moment she decided to sell her snakes, suddenly it wasn't IBD even though she openly accussed another breeder of selling her an IBD positive snake and demanded a refund.
I don't like people who operate like that. |
Sounds pretty shady to me. Does she know of this thread? I didn't know IBD was such a nasty disease untill I recently researched it. I would die if my collection got something like this. I've always had really good quarantine procedures but that puts a whole new motivation to it. Plus I typically only buy from people I know.
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ibd is nasty. if you have never seen an animal deep into ibd, you are lucky. if you are curious, youtube as a video or two of boas (i believe) that has ibd (neurologically affected ibd), it is a very sad site to see
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Yes Dustin, I did link her to it.
She also copy/pasted a reply on another thread where IBD had been brought up on my first attempt at this thread (forgot the name in title). Here is her copy/paste reply from the other thread: Quote:
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I have a friend, whom I hope will speak up, who has had 6 deaths (2 were voluntary euthanasias) in 2 years from IBD slowly eeking its way through her collection. So I disagree that no symptoms means no disease. I also disagree that one year would make 2 years free of issues, since she admitted she lost the others. Quote:
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You should want to prove the well being of your snakes to yourself, IMO. |
well you already posted my reply but here it is again...
I, obviously, understand the concern about the health of the animals... As I stated, I do not believe that there is anything wrong with any of my animals and that there hasn't been since that one, hopefully, isolated incident with the BCL... But, I have decided to hold off on my projects for this year simply to INSURE to the community that there is no issue... By next season, it will have been 2 years since the BCL incident and provided that there are no issues with ANY animal until then, then there should be no issues... And even though I believe that there is no issue, NOW, I would rather wait and INSURE it to everyone else then have a bunch of babies that no one wants due to "possibilities"... I feel that that is the best thing I can do as of now... well, including not getting anymore animals, but the hubby already told me I can't anyway because we don't need anymore, but that's besides the point... IF my vet can find someone around here to do the live tissue biopsy that isn't like, several hours away, I will look into the live liver biopsies as well... I believe there may be one about 45 mins in Salado that will do it, but if not I will have to look into College Station... I still do not feel that my collection, Yvonne's collection or any animal that has been around any of them are in danger... But I would rather prove that to y'all then get harassed about it this season. I've already stated this and if you so choose you can tear it apart as you please, as you already have... And if you want to bring this up in it's own thread, the community should know that Yvonne's snakes were also housed with mine for breeding and some in the same room as hers... So IF I did have any IBD issues, then that should throw up a red flag for her collection too... Although I'm sure it won't because someone will come up with an excuse there... |
No, I agree, Ashley you are correct.. I hadn't even thought of that.
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Bring about proof that they were housed with your animals at the time of possible infection and something should and will be posted.
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Ashley, sounds like you are on the right track. From what I've read about this disease it can take quite a while for it to become apparent that an animal has it and it would only lead to more problems if it was passed on to someone elses collection. The only thing that everyone wants out of this is to not let this pass on to others. No one is looking to tarnish your name there just needs to be insurance that the infection is contained, if in fact your animals did somehow contract it. Furthermore if this other person, Yvonne's snakes have come into contact with that snake then you should probably make a thread letting people know about this as well and she needs to take the same precautions that you are taking. This seems like the HIV of the reptile world, is there anyone trying to find a cure for it at all? or at least doing extensive research on this disease?
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