Derek Roberts/Sonoran Reptiles-Bad Guy
 

I've seen that others have posted that he is a good guy. I wish I could agree. My boyfriend and I purchased animals from him from an ad on ks.com classifieds. He emailed acknowledging that he received the money order and said he would ship the animals. The last correspondence we've received from him was on Oct. 8th. We still have not received the animals. He has not replied to our emails, nor has he returned our several phone calls requesting a refund of our money or shipment of animals.

Hi Jules! Does this guy have a website or anything?

Julie,

Have you asked Adam Block? According to him, Derek took care of his snakes for a while. Adam might know how to get a hold of him or at least point you in the right direction.

Good luck! :)

Derek Had a broken ankle that's been effecting him and I know he's missed work and been having troubles from that.

I can assure you that you haven't been ripped off! Try calling him at work today, (520) 326-1218.

I'm a friend of his and at times it takes me a few weeks to get in touch with him. Same with Chad Fuchs and Walt Deptula, hell I been trying to call Walt for 9 months and just got ahold of him yesterday.

Derek has done more on this site silently then most people know and has helped in many situations so as I said I can assure you that you're not being taken.

The boyfriend told me last night that he has received an email from Derek. I understand how life can get in the way, but a quick email to acknowledge our concern would have saved a lot of grief. It has been over a month now and we still don't have the cash or the snakes. I'm sure you would be as frustrated as we are if this had happened to you with someone you had never done business with before. At least he's emailed now and I'll trust what you are saying and wait to see what happens.

For anyone who is unaware of the situation last year. Adam Block came on the BOI and started a thread about Kevin & NERD. He claimed to have purchased a ball python from Kev that later on died of some mysterious desease caused by dehydration. Adam claimed to have personally kept the ball himself in imaculate conditions and after having/caring for it for several months.After several months this animal that Adam couldnt even prove he or Derek ever owned/bought etc. supposidly died of something and Adam claimed it was due to improper care given by Kev. At one point Adam told Kev if he gave him half the value of the ball python worth of animals he would drop it and walk away. Now it is just my opinion but I dont think there ever was a ball python I think Adam seen someone who had a good reputation that he could black mail into a free animal. However thats just my opinion. However if there ever really was a ball python it is now obvious that this was a scam set up by not only Adam Block but Derek here as well.

Posted by Derek Roberts
Now take note to how Derek flat out lies. He claims" Richie was wrong about Adams fictitious ball" he says he was there when ADAM(he) reiceved it. He says he watched it deteriorate, well of course he did the ball python was his.

Posted by Adam Block
if there was an actual Ball Python a year later the truth comes out. Giving credit where credit is due I must say Richie did one hell of a job ferreting the above qoute out of Adam. Why would Derek sit back and allow Adam to do what he did???? When in fact the animal(if there was one) belonged to him? I realy dont know what to make of this. Its pretty sad though when one person can sit back and allow another to slander/liable someone like Derek did when this person didnt even own the animal they claimed was theres. Then Derek comes on here and lies and backs Adams claims.

Personally I dont believe there was an albino ball python from NERD that died. I think this was all made up garbage meant to strong arm Kevin into free animals. However for the sake of this I will assume and respond as though there was one from Kev that died.
Adam cold not produce a receipt for the animal or anything at all to prove it came from Kevin other then Dereks word.Derek couldnt rember what was bought from who he claimed to have bought two albino balls and one het. Kevin rembers selling an albino and a het togther but Adam claims Derek says he only bought an albino from Kev and purchased the pr from someone else. Now with this we have found that Derek holds absolutly no credibilty as he sat back for over a year watched Adam lie about the whole situation and even came here as recent as two weeks ago and backed up Adams lies. So if there was an actual albino ball that came from NERD that one of these two owned and killed considering they couldnt even produce a receipt for the animal my opnion is it was purchased from someone else, probally a hobbyist with only a couple animals. Then when Derek killed the animal the whole thread was nothing more the an elborate set by the both of them. NERD has a very good reputation within this buisness. So if they could make it appear as though the animal came from NERD and it was somehow Kevins fault it died,they could strong arm Kevin into giving them something to replace the animal.
Posted by Adam
Actually instead of saying "at risk to be trusted" it should say "at risk to be blackmailed" probally just a goof on his part
They were more likely to get a larger amount of return from someone like Kevin then if they went after a hobbyist. Also looking down the road if the replacement was from Kevin(NERD) it would have a higher resale value for the animal itsself and any offsrping it produced. We all know that something coming from Kev or any of the other "big names" has higher sale value then animals coming from a hobbyist. As I said the above is just my opnion based on what has happened and looking at the change of events the above theory makes perfect sense to me. Below is some more quotes that help outline my theory. Some are redundant from my prior post however I felt important along with some of the others I have been pulling from the older threads.



Posted by Adam
Above Adam is claiming Derek was his partner. Now below he is claining Derek was not.
Below Adam is refering to the albino ball python.
The below qoute was posted by Derek only a couple weeks ago

This quote was posted by Adam only a couple of days ago, he planly states it was kept by Derek for the first two months

Take note to the quotes by Adam above 8(aug.)/02/2002 he claimed it was purchased by partner. Then on 8/05/2002 he received it. Then

He claims it regurged and died two days later which would be 10/04/2002. He says it was with Derek for the first two months. So what we have here is either it was with Derek up till it died, then they both lied. 8/02/2002-10/04/2002 = 2months and 2 days. Or it was with Derek till the day it regurge(exactly 2 months) then after it regurged these two decided they were going to shuffle it from house to house and cage to cage further stressing it out(which right there would explain cause of death) in which case Adam would have actually told the truth for once(what a concept) or Adam completly lied about the time of death along with everything else because he didnt post the thread about Kevin till Jan of 2003 over 3 months after he claimed the animal died.

Now lastly below are several more qoutes from Adam showing how he claimed the animal was in his care.Humm now this below quote is cute. How was he assured of anything when in fact it was his so called partner that bought the animals in Daytona when he was in AZ? From who?

Always had water in his care? Maybe he is refering to once it died. Maybe it was kept in his fridge and he watered it there, i dunno OH REALLY??? Not only did he say that once but said almost the same thing twice within a couple pages I thought the below qoute was cute to typical Adam trying to play both sides of the court.

Yup Adam you have proven Richie to be a liar and blowing smoke up everyones butt once again LMAO!!!! Shame on you Ritchie you somehow managed to trip Adam in yet another lie and your the one who is blowing smoke. Oh good work by the way LOL
The below qoute was taken from an email Adam sent to Richie Lune.
I posted this same post in both this and Adams currently running thread as it seems relavent to both. Howveer if Rich considers this off topic for one I apoligize. To me this seems to tie their relationship toghter and answer some questions about this whole scam.

And this pertains to Jules_'s situation how? Sure.. something bad might have happened earlier.. but.. there is already a thread about it.. and.. I don't see why bringing it up now helps Jules_ at all.

Scott

I think it is definitely pertinent. It gives anither example of possible misconduct by the gentleman she is having trouble with.

its his name in the header by rules were supposed to use exsisting threads, because of the mangnatude of this I would love to see a new thread opened about this more people would read it. This thread and the one with 'adam block banging on the front door" most people probally wont read. Hardly anyone knows who derek look at how few reads this thread has. and the one about Adam well when it keeps bouncing to the top with mine or Richies name in the reply section i dont think many will pay attention because it looks as though, adam, richie and myself are just at it again. this is new and IMO very important, more important then any of the previous threads. for a year derek knowingly allowed Adam to lie and slander/liable a company, even came here two weeks ago and backed Adam and those lies up, he flat our said he seen the animal delivered to Adam, we now know that to be a bold faced lie. Im speachless over the whole deal I cant believe someone would have the gull to come here and do what Adam did, nor that Derek could knowingly allow it to go on. This takes the cake. Truely Unbeilevable.

All of this is making me very nervous about whether I will ever see my $280 again. At this point, I would be happy with a refund of my money. What makes me more nervous is the fact that Derek is a member here and has made no effort to reply or remark on the situation. Hopefully a check will be in my mailbox tomorrow and I can post an apology. I understand that Derek is on crutches, but how does that stop him from typing on a keyboard?

Blah, Blah, Blah!! You get Kevin in here then we'll talk.. Until then think what you like, it has no effect on my life and I don't think anybody really cares anymore.

Gotta get tiring fighting the battles of Kevin, Jeff B., Chad Martin and Ritchie Luna. Well, the up side is you have nothing else pressing going on in your life to be concerned with!

Me feels sorry for mister man Jason.

Adam in some other thread you said it took you 9 months to get ahold of one of the people you were using as a referance why do you think that is? Ill enlighten you, because people do care. Do you honeslty think anyone with a good rep in this buisness would want to be associated with you??? Your so called freinds are hiding from you, caller ID letting the machine get it and then hitting the delete button when they hear your voice.

What you did to Kev was wrong. You tried to steal from him. the animal was never yours you never had any right to go after Kev even if there really was a albino ball purchased from Kev that died because of his care(I think we all know it didnt die because of Kevins care) Hello.....Adam....earth to Adam. I think we can now safely label you and theif. What you did was atempted theft no if ands or buts about it. You admit you two were not partners and that the animal was his. You never had any right to try to collect any kind of claim for that animal.

For the past year you and Derek have been living that lie and Derek even took part in defending that lie. I wonder if the two of you could face crimanal charges Ill beat ya could. BOTH OF YOU. Dude honestly I am speachless I cant belive a low life like you can live with yourself. For the past year on several occasions you have thrown it around "oh my ball python from NERD" etc at least 5 differant times in threads I read that had nothing to do with you or NERD you threw that out there as an example of "bad people" or an example of how you were screwed. THE ANIMALS WERE NEVER YOURS. yOU HAD NO RIGHT WHAT SO EVER NONE. Its sad that we have to share this word with people like you. Then to top if off you try to hide in the BOI and pretend to draw the bad guys out

But yes Adam we know you MO well for you to reply with you little bla bla bla post you did, you know your screwed. You better prey Kevin doesnt sue you, because I am going to prey he does, hell maybe even Bob could join him in that suit. This would be an open and shut case and he could go after you personally, your not going to be able to hide behind your buisness in this one. If he sues you I feel for your child and wife, because of your actions they will suffer and thats sad and you got the nerve to yelp at Ritchie that be betrays his family. You are something else Adam, oh well you got no one to blame but yourself.

Oh and dont feel sorry for me all is well here. You need to be feeling sorry for yourself and what could be coming down on you and possibly your buddy there as well.

I'll be on the lookout for any young wanna be metal heads.

Until then, sit back relax and enjoy the plasma TV baby. I say good for you, never been a fan of having a brown nose but heck when you're getting kickbacks like that the smell gets easy to deal with.

Back to the thread, Julie, let me know if you need any other help finding him. He's a good guy and I don't know anybody who knows him and doesn't like him. You won't have any troubles either getting a refund or your animals shipped!

Good luck and shout if you need anything else.

hmm.. didn't see this coming... now.. the focus is not on the situation at hand.. which is Jules_'s original post. If you want to have an arguement with Adam.. why do it on here? Adam seems to be on this thread attempting to help Jules_. What are you doing Jason?

I think Jason's point is that you cannot count on Adam in this. Even though Adam may very well be sincere, he has discredited himself to enough people that if you mention his name, most are going to turn and run the other direction.

Julie, what form of payment did you use to make your purchase?

Correction,
jason's point is this.

Adam Block started a thread against NERD for a ball python he supposedly had in his care for two months and died.

The truth is Derek Roberts had the ball python. He knew it but he never exposed Adam. To top it all off he tried to somehwat cover for Adam.

You can read about here
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...5&pagenumber=6

It took over a year. But Adam has been exposed. And Adam exposed his "friend" as well.

In other words....Adam's "so called "sincerety" might just have an unseen slant.

Unfortunate really.

Yeah yeah Ritchie. So are you ready to let things go yet? I've been exposed, you've won the whole battle and good has won. Me and my friends are exposed! You did it!

Ritchie, you're a joke! You've spent a year and god knows how many hours on this, you've followed me around from post to post, you've come out of your retirement and all to finally expose me. And who seems to care again? Um, sorta looks like just you and Jason.

Maybe it's time to grow up and get over it. Fairly sad affair when I'm acting like more of an adult then you (I said this just to see you retort).

So with that said, why don't you get back to your porn sites, Jason get back to the Plasma and let it go as you're work of "exposing" me is done.

Also, Jason, since you insinuate I have some justic in store waiting for me I'll assume that's good enough for you and you can let it go? Yeah that's what I thought.

Anyway, I'm sick and really don't care enough about this as I don't really have a reputation to protect and well, in all honesty just don't care to correct all you're incorrect facts so I'm off to the shower.

Thank you for not caring .......but coming back to post.
Incorrect facts?
Oh so now you are going to say you had the ball python all along?
Or are you going to say Derek roberts did not cover for you?
Or are you not going to correct it because you know it is the truth and you are busted.

Trust me Adam.................people do care.

It’s been over a month since the payment was sent out. Even a broken ankle doesn’t excuse Derek from having the courtesy to contact Julie and explain the nature of the delay. If he can be contacted at work (according to Adam), that means he is more than likely able to access a phone or a computer from where to e-mail Julie.

Regards.

Fine Ritchie I'm busted! You caught me! Derrek had the snake for a period of time while I said I did. I'm now exposed for the world to see me. Okay? LOL I mean what are you looking for? Do you think this is FBI files? Most of the things you "uncover" I would have told you over the phone had you ever been man enough to pick it up and call.

Last year you had everything you needed and decided to look the other way. Now, I really don't care what happens and you're not going to find out anything here I haven't told anybody on the phone.

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You're correct about Derrek not contacting you. I'm not Derrek and can't speak foror excuse his actions. I'm only telling you he's a good guy and not to be worried that you were scammed. I would be just as unhappy if I were you that's why I gave you another contact number. My hope is that there's an easy explination and I'm sure there is.

Anyway back to Derek Roberts.

Adam has many many many of his own threads.


So you sent money October 8 and he says he received it but that was the last timeyou heard from him.

No e-mails no nothing.

I will have you know......he should have at least e-mailed you.
I know for a fact his inernet is still working
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...searchid=68703

He was online on the 28 and 29 of October.
But he did not contact you....not even by e-mail through this site.


So you lied on the forum....but you would have told me the truth on the phone. Yup I was born yesterday.


As aforementioned. Take discussions about Adam the liar on his many many many many threads.

Interesting to note that Adam kept inviting me to post in his threads and to take any discussions about NERD and the albino ball python to his thread. I wonder why he is now saying to drop it....I wonder what changed his mind.

Oh yeah....he did not realize he would tell one too many lies and end up getting caught in his web of lies.

whoops....sorry all that was supposed to be on the Adam thread...I had the wrong window up

I am showing that Derek is noit a trustworthy person within a thread that has his name in the title pur the rules set forth but Rich Z. Sometime in doing that a thread does change course a little bit. I am sure if you ermail Rich he will tell you what I have done is correct by his rules. The fact that Derek for over a year looked the other way and even came here and backed up Adams lies shows a good amount into what kind of person he really is.

Jules did you atempt to buy this animal from him through here or ksnake? If ksnake I would let Derek know that he better make good by a certain date or you will follow through with there complaint procedure, How did you pay for the animal? Check, postal money order? Credit card? If you paid via postal money order on that same date you need to follow through with a complaint with the postal service. How did you pay and what site was the ad on you atempted tp deal with him through?

Ok I reread your post, it was ksnake and money order what kind of money order? Was it a postal? If so set a date make derek aware that you must either recieve you animal but that date or you will file a complaint with ksnake in an atemt to get him tossed from there and also follow through with a complaint with the postal service. If you mailed him a postal money order and he doesnt make good and you follow through he could be federally screwed. Do that shot me an email and Ill hook ya up with someone whos used the postal sytem to get results before and well see what we can do. Classic@dumerils.com

Maybe before you go picking out a lawyer to file fed charges you could try something less dramatic and give him a call.

He works most days till 4pm and whiles he's been out of work for his ankle I think he's back now.

Some of the trouble you might have had was he lives a little outside of Tucson and has a Cricket phone, they offer mostly local service and I don't think his phone rings at his house. Since he hasn't been at work much he may just not be getting your calls.

Either way give it a few days and get in touch with him. He's never scammed anybody I know of and I would highly doubt he's going to start with you.

The long lost Derek speaks!

Derek emailed me this morning. We are trying to work things out. Hopefully this whole matter will be resolved and this thread can end.

ScottsReptile -- Great to see you again!

I feel so loved......
 

Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:49:38 EDT
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Just checking to see the status of the snake deal. I will be in and out this week so I'll have them shipped to the shop. Address there is
Exotic Pets
1551 s. 151st st. w.
goddard, ks. 67052
Thanx, and let me know when to expect them/ tracking number.





Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:09:32 -0400
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Hey Scott,

I did receive the money order on Saturday. I may not be able to ship the animals until Wed. for Thurs. delivery. I will ship them to the address in your previous e-mail. I sprained my ankle at work on Friday and have been on cruthches ever since -- the reason for the delay. I will let you know the tracking info as soon as they are shipped out. Thanks again! Derek





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OK, no response from you, I'll contact Jeff at Kingsnake and get the proper "adjustments" made to your account. The fun part of this is that I have the receipt from the Postal Money Order I paid you with and MAILED to you. The emails that acknowledge your receipt of said payment and your admission that the animals were not sent. This constitiutes Mail Fraud, a federal charge as I found out in a previous similar situation. I didn't order these animals so that I could waste a bunch of time getting your account cancelled and file criminal charges against you but I am not going to set back and take this in the butt. If all else fails I WILL be in Tucson soon and WILL be paying a visit to 9095 Oracle, looks like an apartment complex, I wonder what their rules on reptiles are there? Keep ignoring this and see how it turns out for you. I had this happen in the past and it seems that when you incur federal charges they follow up a lot better than local authorities do. If you have anything in your name, have a job, or pay taxes they WILL find you. It is definately in your favor and mine if you contact me and resolve this situation. I don't want to waste any more time on this and you don't want to deal with the rammifications of not following through with your contract.




Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:21:23 -0400
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Hey,

First, I would like to apologize for not being able to gt in touch with you sooner. I was told by my roommate that you had tried to call this past weekend before you left. I had no idea that someone could have picked the snakes up for you or I would have told him which ones were yours. I was at the hospital at the time and was being fitted for a cast. I have not been able to walk for about 2 weeks now and it got to the point where I had no choice but to go. I would like to be able to make this up to you by sending you the animals you paid for plus some other that I have not posted for sale yet. All of the snakes you have purchased are doing well and I will have them shipped to you when you return from your trip. If you need to contact me before then, me cell number is 520-808-8596. I understand your frustration as I have been ripped off before by some scumbag in Indiana. I really don't like being threatened by anyone, which was the tone of your last e-mail, but I do undrestand the fact that people are out there that rip other people off. If you really have any questions about shady dealings with people you should check out faunaclassifieds.com and look at the Board of Inquiry in the Reptiles section. I is a very helpful tool on finding out who is who in the world of reptile hobbyists. Anyway, please let me know when to send the animals and I will get them to you. Once again, I apologize, but rest assured that I am NOT here to scam you out of anything. Take care. Derek



Derek Roberts
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Thu, 6 Nov 2003 18:27:42 -0500
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Hello,

I would love to send you the snakes you paid for and a few extras to make up for your lost time. Please get in touch with me. Derek
520-808-8596



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I just got back to Wichita, tried to contact you while i was in Az. it's now 27 degrees out here, great shipping weather. I'd like a refund.




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Derek,

It's time to either return the $280 or ship the snakes. Please email and let me know which you plan to do.

Julie
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Hey Jules,

I received an e-mail a couple of days ago from SRPNTHNTR@aol.com requesting a refund for those snakes. I e-mailed him about 2 weeks ago explaining that I apologize for the delay and inconvenience and that I would send you extra animals to make up for your lost time. I sent another e-mail to the same address about 4 days ago and just got a reply back demanding a refund. I have been taking care of the snakes you cared for and have some others that I would like to send you for the inconvenience I have caused you. I sent my home and cell number to the AOL e-mail address and I have not received a call or message from anyone. I just got through reading your post on the BOI. It seems that a few of the "regulars" are jumping on anyone who is associated with Adam Block. I have known Adam for 6 years, he used to live in AZ before moving to S. Carolina. He has not made many friends on the BOI and my association with him as a friend apparently labels me as "guilt by association". Anyway, you partner (srpnthntr) did not tell me he wanted the reptiles shipped to anyone after he left for Phoenix. If I would have known I could have shipped them to you, then I would have and would not have kept them for so long. I will ship your animals to you plus the extras I promised if you would like, but you might want to talk to your partner first. Please let me know what you want. Shipping in cold weather is not a problem for me as I use insulated boxes with heat packs. Live arrival is always guaranteed. If you need references, I will send you 50-100 of those as well. I hope this clears things up. Derek
My cell number is 520-808-8596. Please leave a message with your phone number.


Derek Roberts
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These are the events up until now. I am glad to see the folks with no lives are still playing Mulder and Scully. Good luck with that, I hope you are able to change the world with your infinite wisdom. I just wonder sometimes if some of you actually HAVE lives or are just pretending.

just so no one is confused.....LOL
 

May want to reread the dates of the e-mails posted. I e-mailed them twice, Oct 18, Nov. 6 with no reply until Nov. 8. Facts are great to use.....if you have ALL of them.


Umm......Rich if you are trying to quote me, you may want to check yourself as this was not from any post of mine.


LOL.....If there are warning level points handed out for misuse of the forums, then there should be "drama queen" points handed out for quotes like that! How's everything at the crime lab Jason?


This is a quote from me. An actual fact from Jason. Very good!

This is a quote from Jason. This is not a fact. The ball python was never mine as there is no way in hell I could afford a $2500 snake. You may want to go back to the original thread a year ago and check the name on the necropsy report. This process is called "fact finding". Give it a try. Does the name SHOUSE ring a bell to any of you Adam Block groupies? It should.

Those are quotes from Richie Luna after seeing the necropsy report which can be viwed here:http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...&pagenumber=45

This was also posted by Mr. Luna.

As for me lying about it not being mine, it never was my snake and my quote of being there when Adam received is the exact truth. As is the rest of my previous quote. You wonder why I did not respond at all to the 58 pages of thread about NERD and Adam.....take a look at this thread and then get back to me.

I was quoting and responding to Adam.

WONDERFUL.
It is not your snake either. It is not adam's snake either.
But it stayed with you. Then it stayed with adam. Then it died. Then adam cried about it. And here you are telling parts of the truth.......that way you can say the only words out of your mouth are the truth. Obviously we are not going to get the whole truth.
If we can get the whole truth........these pages would not be so long.

Okay. It is not your snake. It is not Adam's snake. Did it even exist?
And who is SHouse? Because now you are insinuating that it is his. Where the hell is he and why does he not post?


What a tangled web we weave when we first.......................you know the rest of the quotes.

We would love to give fact finding a try. But it seems you and Adam Block are so close that you speak the same.

When Adam block was giving dates.....on one post he says over 3 days....in another post he says over 7. When confronted he says 7 is technically over 3.

Reminds of of a story. I would go to church....Pick up a bulettin and go out. When My Mom asked if I went to church......I can Totally tell the truth and say yes I went to church ;)

Sort of like if you never feed your ball python. Someone can come along and ask how he feeds. You can totally tell the truth and say he never refused a meal ;)

Now how about telling the rest of us the real story. You and Adam Block are dancing so well around it.

By the way Jules,
What is up with that?
By not presenting all the facts....the story gets quite askewed.
Looks to me like he did try to contact you.

I didn't get involved in this until Oct 13th. That's the day that Scott forwarded me all the emails and asked me to call Jeffie B and see what could be done. I know that Scott can be difficult and quick to anger, so I decided to check into it myself before posting anything. On Oct 14th, I called Derek myself and left a message on his machine asking him to please call me. I never saw the Oct 18th email. As was said in the posts, Scott has been out alot and in AZ. Scott called and got Derek's room mate.
Scott also called while in AZ. I didn't do or hear anything more until I realized that it was now Nov and still nothing. I emailed Derek and posted here, then told Scott what I had done. Scott then told me "Yeah, he emailed me a couple of days ago, I asked for my money back, we'll see what happens" I hate when he asks me to get involved with something and then doesn't keep me current with events. Even still, Oct 18th to Nov 6th is a long time to go without hearing anything when Scott and I both are calling and leaving messages for him to call. As for his posting that he didn't know where to ship the snakes, Derek posted the Oct 6th email himself from Scott saying that we wanted the animals shipped to the store because Scott wouldn't be around. I do stand corrected about the last date of contact, I had never received the Oct 18th email. Also I misquoted the date it was Thursday, October 09, when Scott received this email:
Hey Scott,

I did not get the animals out on Wed. I can ship them today for Friday delivery if that is OK with you. I apologize for the delay but I am still unable to move around much without crutches and today is my first attempt to drive anywhere. I missed your call this morning -- sleeping--, but you did not leave a number to contact you. If you get this e-mail, please call back or let me know that Friday is OK for you. Thanks.

Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile
520-544-0801

I have emailed Derek the following (for anyone keeping up)

From: Exotic Pets [mailto: Exoticpets@cox.net]
To: longissima@excite.com
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:34:48 -0600
Subject: Re: Message about: 1.1 Proven Red Mole Kingsnakes and 2.2 '03 offspring for s...

Hi Derek
I am glad that you emailed me. I did see the email from Scott to you saying to please ship the snakes to the shop (the Exotic Pets address) because he wouldn't be around. I called the number you gave on the email twice, leaving messages for you to call me. The AOL account is Scott's, and I don't get to check that one, only when he forwards me the emails. He never told me of an email received 2 weeks ago. I also said on the BOI that I would publicly apologize to you if you make things right. I still hold to that. I understand how lines can be crossed. Some of those snakes were for Scott, some are for the store. Go ahead and ship the animals to Exotic Pets, 1551 S. 151st St. W, Goddard, KS 67052. EMail me the tracking number and arrival information. Scott is back from AZ, but has been very busy trying to catch up for being gone for so long. Send further emails to me, I'll forward them on to Scott. As far as the BOI is concerned, I do judge people by what the do, not who they know.
Thanks for the email
Julie
Exotic Pets
316-721-0444

At this time we have agreed that Derek will ship the animals on Thur for Friday delivery. If this happens, I will apologize for any grief I have caused Derek but do encourage him to return phone calls to avoid these kinds of posts from people in the future (I see that I am not the only one that has had problems reaching him in the past).

Jules I must say it looks as though you or your partner is in the wrong here. If there is something you are not telling us you need to. Because as it stands it appears as though he has atempted to make good with you.

So did you witness him receive it 3 days later
???? Or was After you kept it for two months? Whats the truth??? Were you the one who watched it feed and go down hill because you had it the whole time and it was only returned to Adam upon its death?


Ever stop to wonder why???? Ill tell ya lie after lie after lie after lie. Since we all know Adam cant tell the truth before he gets you tangled any further in his lies why dont you tell us the truth???? You seem to be more inteligent then he is so why not fill us in a staight up no bull[bleep] post of events? This could be ended in a matter of a couple pages if someone was to tell the whole truth but we all know Adam is unable to even tell a partial truth. So what about you? Its not guilt by association at all. If you had that animal as Adam says and allowed Adam to do what he did your as low as he is. Possesion my friend is 9/10ths of the law. So that would be more like guilt by accessory.

Oh and the way the report is written up

reference number: 02-7878
shouse, ball python


My vet back home wrote reports like that. On my reports first would be the animals name then the type of animal. So in otherwords had that report been written by my vet "shouse" would be the ball pythons name and of course ball python would be the species. Also it would be a normal ball python. See from my vet it would have looked like this

reference number: 02-7878
shouse(animals name), albino ball python

So personally I dont even believe this vet report belongs to an albino ball so I could care less what it says. Ya some vets do things a Little differant but theres a fairly standard format.
The actual owner of the ball python, name address and phone are the stuff right above the reference number that has been blocked out. The stuff below the reference number that is blocked I got a strong feeling is the animal description. Which if was an albino ball why block it? Theres no vet out there that is going to give an albino animal a neocropsy and overlook the fact its an albino in the descrition. So is it possible for us to see that report unaltered or are we going to get a bunch of excusses? You vet report as it stands carries absolutly no weight. If the owners(Adam) contact info on the report was blocked in an effort to hide where he was living for what ever reason(he doesnt want strangers showing up on his door step, which is understandable) He no lnger lives in AZ that address is outdated and does no one any good. So there should be no fear of posting an unaltered version. But Ill bet we get a bunch of excusses. Because as I said I think that was a normal ball. Also why is the date blocked?

Bringing up the whole vet report makes me wonder. I personally think this was an elborate set up. Nothing in that report shows the animal was albino much less an animal from NERD. The whoel topic was brought up months after the animal supposdly died. The manner the topic was brought up in makes me curious. See when Adam posted that thread he was claiming to want info. Kept on saying he wasnt going to post the breeders name that he didnt want to place blame only wanted to collect info. then bit by bit people helped him out posting info about gout(what he claimed it died of) and bit by bit he slowly starts placing blame on the breeder, without stating his name. He got a bunch of people on his side saying "it looks like the breeder caused it because of the timeline you laid out etc? Then he comes foward and says that he called the breeder and told him he needs to give him half the value of the animal to make the whole deal right. Well then Adam kept stirring the thread till finally Kev posted exposing that he was the breeder this ball suposidly came from.

all the ground work was laid out, Adam posted in a way to draw public support to his side. after he had that called kev, made kev aware that support was on his side and that he could ruin his rep if he didnt pay him off etc. I think all this started months ahead of time, the ball python in the report was a nomral that died of gout. (I think Adam knew what gout was prior to his posting claiming to look for info and that he had caused the gout within that animal because he knew he would need a vet report that said gout and ball python on the same page. I think the reason the date was smeared from the report is because it took Adam longer to kill the animal then he thought it would.Thats all just my opinion and I state it as such but looking at the peices it makes sense. Why wait 3 months to try and collect on an animal that died. It taking that long to inflict gout on the animal and cause it to die to get the vet report he knew he would need if this was going to work makes perfect sense to me.

So whith that Derek why dont you come clean lay the facts as they are and prove me wrong????

Sonoran Reptile
 

In response to this thread, I had a bad experience with SR as well. I bought a pair of black pine snakes from them for 100 shipped, asked what shipper he used and he said Airborne express. The LAST thing I wanted was for him to use airborne of all companies due to numerous bad experiences, and offered to pay him extra to use a different carrier, to which he said don't worry about it. When it came time for the snakes to arrive and I recieved the tracking #, it was none other than- you guessed it- Airborne. I had to LITERALLY track the driver down to get the snakes, all this after EXPLICITY ASKING HIM NOT SHIP VIA AIRBORNE and offering money to use another carrier. To make matters worse, the snakes I recieved were regurgers. Save yourself some time, headaches, and hassle in the future folks. -Eric Lago

Ritchie and Jason

First I'm lying for putting "Sold Out" on my page, then Rich says he's done that too and you drop it.

First you wanna find the facts more then anything so I tell you whom to call, then you decide not to make the calls.

First NERD doesn't send feed card with his animals then I get them posted and while I'm no longer a liar you forget what they say.

First Kevin can do no wrong, then we see feed card showing very underfed snakes and you forget about those too.

I have no posts in here with respect to the care of my snakes other then the one from Jason that was worked out but I still have to be the reason the snake died and not the guy proven to give his snakes poor care.

First the vet's Steve House from the Carolina who attended school in AZ then you don't know then it's the name of the snake that died?

Yeah okay you guys have an excellent track record of uncovering facts.

Derek, I'll tell you what to do to make Internet groupies go away!

POST YOUR PHONE NUMBER! Either one could call us but we're dealing with a immature wanna be head banger and a recluse so they will stay hidden and well protected behind the keyboard.

Jason doesn't have the social skill to carry on a phone conversation so he WILL NEVER CALL! Ritchie doesn't even have a number on his site where he picks up a phone because he can't deal with things unless he's able to twist/spin your written words.

Neither of these misfits are looking for facts, I've been telling Ritchie to pick up a phone for a year and there's always an excuse! Excuse after excuse after excuse! What's it this time Ritchie? Too busy, I lie too much? Oh Oh maybe I'm not worth it. JOKE!

Eric, I just want to make sure you know this but you said:

I've had only a few of these but the ones I've dealt with you could have fed a snickers and they wouldn't regurg. I've never seen one with any issue like that unless you're just feeding WAY too large of meals.

I only wanted to point that out because I would bet a large amount of money those were from John Ginter and I find it hard to believe his stock would have any issues. You're 100% sure these snakes were regurging and you weren't feeding too large of meals?

Also, do you have any idea what Tucson is like for heat? Did you care more about the health of the snakes or who they were shipped by? Some parts of Tucson don't do well with some shippers. FedEx had a noon pickup deadline by me and UPS I don't deal with. Sometimes there are issues there you don't see or understand. Did Derek say he would refund the money if they were dead when you got them? That should have been your only worry.