Joe I. Have you contacted your friends that have the largest known pair of 100% Hets from Wanda that you mentioned before in this thread. Any news as to if they have reproduced anything? Please try to contact them again if you have not reached them and keep us posted here.
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Looks straw colored where the light actually hits it in the video, but I could go either way on that, as I do see a pink-red-orange hue in some parts of the shell in the video. The new photo looks to be more orange than the others. Every pic appears differently hued.
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Still waiting on those secret F2s. I does matter to me if you have any red background light, slap Kool-aid on it, or if it even does have a off-pink color. The point of selling these as hets for a proven morph is to be able to provably produce homozygous recessive F2s. Where is the evidence for the F2 sunset hypo Gpp animals? I am also curious why Andy gets emails and I get emails but the party does not post things for himself/herself. Additionally, let us not forget that "small" matter of trying to buy one of my animals using a deceased relative's phone number and a name that is not your own. |
How is $850 "slightly higher" than $200 to $300, by the way? 283% to 425% is "slightly higher" now?
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By all means, though, if others want to drop their money on this after everything that has been presented, far be it from me to deny them the chance to learn this lesson in a first-hand fashion.
A decent bit over a decade of sales. A decent bit over $100k by simple back-of-the-envelope calculations for that span. I practically have to wade through the evidence of homozygous F2s...or perhaps not. But remember, folks, in "the next few years".... |
Hi Andrew. Yes, I have a call into my buddy that has some original Het. Sunset Hypos. I don't think they have bred because I would like to think I would have heard about it. But, I will certainly let you know if I hear anything.
Here is my issue on the picture and the video. I notice the request came from Andrew to give both a picture in good light, and a video. The animal seems to have a new shade of color in this new photo, just my opinion. Could it be another photo shop job, anything is possible. But, why was the live video done under special lighting (in the tortoises house) and "not" under direct sunlight as the still photo was done? Put the animal with the same surroundings in both examples. But, It would eliminate a lot of doubt. It would take a much higher level of skill to photo shop a live video. Which is why, I can only presume, you requested that. Andrew, can you request another video be made in direct sunlight this time? In that live video clip, the tip of the animals shell is "white" in color where the light source was hitting it. I believe that is the sunlight outside. It simply does not look the same in the still photo shot in direct sunlight. The clues seem to be in the details here. I'll go back to my very simple and direct question that still has never been answered. Wanda, why didn't you breed one of your earlier offspring (100% Het. Male) that you produced 8 or 10 years ago back to its mother? If it was a true morph trait, the result once again is 50% Visual "Pink" animals, and the other 50% are 100% Het. for Sunset Hypo. Then, the guessing stops. You can raise a baby to 10 inches in 5 years. You have had double that time... Just can't get past that one myself. |
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Again, she wants to derail the current conversation with private emails about pricing and irrelevant ancient history ... none of which can be backed up with actual proof. Please address the photo-shopping issues and the use of the bogus Tim Blevins name and Carl Patterson's phone number to bait Nick? I wish I could believe the dated (incorrectly, by the way) video and photo, but I don't. Here's my (NOT my photo, NOT my tort, NOT a morph) StrawberryFields hypo. Below it is my PurpleRain hypo (also NOT my photo, NOT my tort, NOT a morph) Yeah, her alteration is better than the 3 minutes I spent on mine, but anyone still buying it? :) |
Laura, I guess the wonderful thing about a fake morph is that the storyteller can fabricate any properties he or she chooses. Like time travel. That tortoise is totally going to save its favorite Eloi.
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I only shared the info and not sure why they can not come here themselves. Something about not knowing how, time, health ect. Their email address is open to the public based off there ads of animals for sale. So maybe others can email directly and get the proof or ask the questions as potential customers normally do themselves....here is the contact info- sunsethypo@aol.com
I too find many questions and concerns not being answered, also a lot of stumbles, excuses and a few lies that can be pointed out. I personally thought the video footage would end it all, but I know nothing of how photo color and or video color could be changed or tweaked. So for now we can only " wait a few more years" like Nicks says and see what happens for ourselves. I too have the same concerns as Nick and Joe and everyone else does and would like answers. Also at the same time, Wanda and I are in the same industry and I do not want to burn any bridges. I need the proof and questions answered due to the fact I have some for sale and have a group myself. I still do not know if I should take down my Hets and not offer them any long for sale or keep proceeding forward. If any proof or insight that could be added to this thread would be further appreciated. |
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I'm just sitting here hoping to hear more about the neon vanilla rainbow glitter dwarf leopards, or whatever it was she called them. You know, her second secret colony that she has "in the back" that she's been selectively breeding for generations to produce the result she is after.... While at the same time, not holding back a male het sunsethypo to breed to mom.
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