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Cat_72 04-14-2006 09:35 AM

Nutro dog food problems...anyone else hear this??
 
I really hate to panic over emails like this.......but I can't find any information about this anywhere, and it DID originally come from a usually very reliable source. And of course, it just so happens that I just purchased a new bag of Nutro, with the exact expiration date listed in the email, so if anyone hears anything.....PLEASE let me know. I am going to try to email Rockytop Boxers right now....

Hello everyone,
I just got this from Cyberdobes, and wanted to pass it on to anyone I know who owns dogs or is involved with dogs, please share this with anyone you know who feeds Nutro!! Heather


-----Original Message-----
From: showboxer-l-bounces@ShowBoxer-L.com
[mailto: showboxer-l-bounces@ShowBoxer-L.com] On Behalf Of Karen McCrory
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: [ShowBoxer List] Possible Dog food contamination...please read

I'm posting this for Sil McCall who lives in Texas. She is still too
upset
to be able to post but had sent this to me as I knew her Gunner very
well
and understand her pain. I thought it was important that others know and

she gave me permission to cost post.


Sil writes:

Just wanted to share some news that may prevent someone else from going
through this.

Saturday, March 25 I lost my precious boy Gunner and almost lost my
daughter's Mini Schnauzer to what we believe was commercial dog food
poisoning. That night I opened a new bag of food for the evening feeding

(Nutru Natural Choice Lamb & Rice Adult Formula). I've been feeding this

food for 3+ years with no problems until now. Within 3 hours of feeding
my
dogs Gunner began to seize. Off to the emergency vet we went in a total
state of panic. The doctor saw him right away and began him on some
meds.
After maxing him out on the meds over a 4 hour period he was still not
responding, he was flailing about and paddling horribly. The vet said we

were well past the point of bringing him out of it without substantial
brain
damage if he didn't have a heart attack in the mean time, the seizure
was
very very bad, nothing like any seizure in a dog I have ever seen
before. I
had to have him put down. We just assumed that this was an unfortunate
case
of idiopathic epilepsy and we would never know why.

Then on Monday morning at 5:45 my daughter came screaming into my room
holding her Mini Schnauzer and he was in mid seizure. Off we went once
again to the vet. FORTUNATELY, he came around before we left the
driveway.
However, he has had 5 seizures since and is going to the vet this
afternoon
to be put on medication (phenabarbatol), which he will have to take the
rest
of his life. The vet says that once they have a seizure they are prone
to
have them again and again. I fear the worst will come soon for him if we

don't use the meds as I know the seizures are hard on his heart and
other
internal organs. The downfall to the medication is liver complications.
We
are in a catch 22 situation here.

On the way to the vet that Monday morning with the Schnauzer, it dawned
on
me that the only common thing these 2 dogs shared was their food. Gunner
is
housed in the kennels except for his playtime in the house and they have
a
separate yard. My daughter's dog is kept strictly in the house and never

goes into the kennel area, where there is a separate yard and exercise
area.

Gunner's body was to be picked up that afternoon from the ER Vet for
cremation but I called and asked them to hold his body for necropsy. I
then
transported him to my vet to have his stomach contents sent to MSU for
analysis. When I arrived home, I started making phone calls. I called
the
store where I bought the food to alert them, then I called the dog food
manufacturer.

The consumer affairs manager at Nutro took down all the information and
asked me to send him 4 cups of food, 2 cups each would then be sent to 2

independent labs for analysis. To my surprise, not an hour later I got a

phone call from the dog food company's state rep. who wanted to come by
and
pick up the samples to be sent off. I said sure, come on out.

When he arrived, he said he had been instructed to take the entire bag
and
all the dog food. I told him in no uncertain terms that he could ONLY
have
the 4 cups I was told they needed and that he could have a cutting from
the
bag to have analyzed and I would make a copy of the SKU# and lot number
off
the bag for him. He had a look of bewilderment on his face. I guess he
thought I was an idiot. I may be dumb but I'm not stupid! That bag of
dog
food would have been thrown in the first dumpster he came across on his
way
out of here! As I dipped up the samples for him to take I reached for
Gunner's picture from the shelf and sat it on the counter for him to see
and
said, "This is not about a lawsuit if that's what you are worried about,

this is about my DEAD DOG! AND the fact that if it does turn out to the
dog
food, which I have no doubt that it will, I could have lost all my
babies!!!!" I told him I wanted to get to the bottom of this before this

happened to someone else's dog and that I expected all the food with the

same lot number to be pulled from the shelves or I would be outside the
store where I bought it wearing a sign, and it would not be for
advertising!
I told him I would be checking the store's inventory the next morning
when
they opened. I have also filed a report with AFCO per their
recommendation
after speaking with them.

This past friday I was contacted by Nutro and they wanted to offer me
compensation for the vet bills to date - COMPENSATION, are you kidding
me! I
told them there was not a price tag to be put on my dog OR what my
daughter's dog is going through and that this was NOT about money. I
told
them not to contact me again until we had the test results in on the
food OR
they would be hearing from an attorney! I aked him, are you looking for
a
lawsuit or trying to prevent one? I was livid to say the least!!!!
Absolute
morons!!!!! That's like asking what I would take for my left arm!

Sooo..., I have purchased a commercial grinder and have been feeding RAW
for
2 1/2 weeks now. Everyone is doing great on the new diet, no
complications
at all. I will never never, EVER feed commercial kibble again!!!

Have a great day and hug your babies tight! Boxer hugs and kisses,

I also asked for the SKU# and here it is if you are interested: , 40 lb.

bag, SKU# 7910520143, the info under that reads:

"best if used by 05 May 2007"
01:22 2CR5


Sil McCall
Rockytop Boxers, Conroe, Texas
rockytopbox@...
www.rockytopboxers.com

Lucille 04-14-2006 09:56 AM

Although I recently switched from Nutro to Innova, I had not heard this. I am on several dog boards as well and have not heard anything like this either.
I would guess it may be an aberration. Like the famous Tylenol poisoning, it does not necessarily mean that Tylenol is bad. Before judging Nutro I would think it very important to have more facts: whether the bag was tampered with, whether anyone else anywhere has had similar problems. In addition, the two dogs lived at the same location even if they did not share the same living space, and apparently if I am reading the description correctly both are in the same house at times so it may be possible that there was another unknown disease or contaminant of which we are unaware.
Like I said I have not yet heard news of any other problems with Nutro and news travels fast in dog circles. The news of the allegedly contaminated Diamond dog food was posted everywhere very quickly.
This in no way lessens the pain of losing a family member and I am so sorry for their loss. It really hurts to lose a dog.

old guy 04-14-2006 12:15 PM

Very easy to confirm
 
either by contacting consumers affairs or consumers report. On both of these you can check for re-calls. While it is possible for contamination of anything foods for humans and animals, the likelihood of a dog with knowing their digestive system, I would find it hard to believe death solely on bad food. ( my opinion and more> ) . In the 20 plus years of the retail pet market and before in the grocery business as I'm back into now, I can think of only one re-call of pet food and it was one of the cheaper brands that had some moldy chicken parts in the bag due to moisture of production at the plant. The only problem was not so much of a health risk but dogs didn't want to eat it ( why ? did it smell bad or taste bad ? ). I actually heard of this and other brands having contamination problems several years ago. It could be very " authentic " and can you imagine the law suit that would prevail if so. But in the " business " all of those years and knowing the quality control of dog food/ pet food production and knowing and having dogs my self that ate and ingested rotting meat, dead animals, foil, chocolate ( very damaging to dogs ), rawhide bones, nasty sewer and or my waist lagoon water.............

Lucille 04-14-2006 02:20 PM

I saw a CNN report alleging 17 deaths from the contaminated Diamond dogfood but again, the story was all over the boards within days, I have seen nothing on Nutro.

Cat_72 04-14-2006 02:27 PM

Diamond recall....
 
...there was no alleged about the Diamond recall. And once the "word was out", yes, it spread within days, but there was quite some time that passed between the time that the first deaths occurred until it was actually figured out what caused the deaths. Not to mention that it can take WEEKS for the symptoms to appear.

As for the doubt that the dog food could cause deaths, read it for yourself.


A voluntary recall involving a number of Diamond Pet Foods products is in effect in 24 states (Alabama, Alaska, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Vermont, and West Virginia). [u]The recall has been issued because dogs in 22 states have died as a result of ingesting this brand's product that had been contaminated with
Aflatoxin.[/
U]

Cat food made by Diamond also has been recalled, although there have been no reports of illness among felines linked to the food.

Aflatoxin is a naturally occurring toxic chemical by-product from the growth of the fungus Aspergillus flavus on corn and other crops. The fungus develops on crops during years with severe high temperature stress and drought. Mark Brinkmann, chief operations officer for Diamond Pet Foods, said of the contamination: "Unfortunately, it got through with a shipment of corn from one of our vendors."

This chemical is a potent toxin that attacks the liver. Symptoms of aflatoxin-caused liver damage can take weeks to appear, so dogs that have eaten any of the contaminated products should be tested. According to Karyn Bischoff, Diagnostic Toxicologist at the Animal Health Diagnostic Center of the College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, "Aflatoxin binds to DNA and proteins within cells, and it may take some time for the damage to become apparent in a dog ingesting the toxin. However, 90% of the aflatoxin is eliminated in the urine within 12 hours."

Symptoms of aflatoxin poisoning in dogs include: loss of appetite; yellow whites of the eyes; yellow gums; yellow in the belly or areas where hair is very thin; severe, persistent vomiting combined with bloody diarrhea; discolored urine; fever. If your pet has ingested the recalled products and is exhibiting these symptoms, get your animal to the veterinarian for treatment, being sure to explain that you suspect aflatoxin poisoning and why. Urge your veterinarian to run a liver profile on the animal. Ask your vet to contact Diamond Pet Foods toll free at 1-866-214-6945.

Cat_72 04-14-2006 02:31 PM

another link
 
....about the proven toxicity of the recalled Diamond food.

http://www.mendonvillageanimalhospit.../whatsnew.html

December 22, 2005

Aflatoxicosis Associated with Feeding Diamond Pet Food
Testing and Treatment Recommendations for Veterinarians

Advise clients to discontinue feeding of Diamond foods. Have them record production codes and date codes from food bags, if available. Contaminated lot numbers are available on the Diamond website (www.Diamondpet.com). Owners should keep food bags and food samples for possible further testing. They should feed a good quality, non-protein restricted diet.


Affected pets may have no clinical signs initially, so any exposed animals should be evaluated. Owners may report that their dogs have been refusing to eat the food since they opened the new bag. Clinical signs are vague and include lethargy, inappetence, and vomiting. Also look for signs of jaundice and bleeding.


Screening lab work should minimally include a chemistry profile and CBC, even in asymptomatic dogs. Look especially for low cholesterol, high bilirubin, and high ALT. Aflatoxins interrupt protein transcription at the DNA level and so may invalidate ALT alone as a true indicator of liver cell injury. Pre and post bile acids are recommended in dogs that are not already icteric as the best way to evaluate the extent of liver damage. Many affected dogs also have clotting abnormalities, so it is also recommended to check coagulation times.


The toxin may continue to impact the liver for up to 60 days. Oral hepatoprotectants are recommended for dogs that are not vomiting.

Vitamin E: alpha tocopherol 10 IU/kg PO SID

S-Adenosylmethionine (SAMe)

Milk Thistle (silymarin or silibinin)

Note: The proven bioavailability and biologic effects of the Nutramax Laboratories Inc., SAMe product (Denosyl-SD4) and their new polyunsaturated phosphatidylcholine-silibinin product (Marin(TM)) may make these preferred therapeutic agents. Use package dosing directions.


In dogs that show clotting abnormalities administer Vitamin K 0.5-1.5 mg/kg SC or PO q 12 hours. Recheck clotting times after 3-4 doses.


In vomiting dogs, use N-Acetylcysteine 140mg/kg loading dose IV, then 70 mg/kg q 6 hours until SAMe can be given orally. When N-Acetylcysteine is administered IV it is recommended to use a syringe filter (acrodysc syringe filter, 0.2 micrometers, HT tuffryn membrane, made by Pall Life Sciences).


In critical cases plasma transfusions may be indicated.


No cats have yet been identified with disease, but Diamond reports that cat foods have also been contaminated. Similar recommendations are likely to be appropriate, but please contact Mendon Village Animal Hospital or Dr. Sharon Center (sac6@cornell.edu) at Cornell if you see any cases.


Prognosis at this point in mildly affected dogs with treatment seems to be fair to good. Cornell can still accept more animals for treatment if owners want them referred.

Lucille 04-14-2006 02:33 PM

I have no doubt aflatoxin causes deaths. It has done so in contaminated bird foods as well.
Certainly if I see any Nutro stories around I will link them.

Cat_72 04-14-2006 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucille
I have no doubt aflatoxin causes deaths. It has done so in contaminated bird foods as well.
Certainly if I see any Nutro stories around I will link them.

Appreciated, Lucille. I apologize if I came off sounding a little "ornery", it's just that it always takes so long for these stories to finally come to full light, and too many animals have to suffer before it gets "spread within days". As for when I said, "read it for yourself", I was referring to when Mike said,

Quote:

I would find it hard to believe death solely on bad food. ( my opinion and more> )
I have always thought Nutro to be a wonderful food, and would like to continue to feed it. It just seems that no matter WHAT big company you are dealing with, they will try to keep the facts quiet until something HAS to be done. If this is just the beginning of a similar problem to what happened with Diamond, I don't want ANYONE to have to find out the hard way.....yet if this is not true, I don't want to scare people from feeding Nutro.....

I have yet to get a reply from Sil at Rocky Top Boxers, I will post it as soon as I do.

Lucille 04-14-2006 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat_72
for when I said, "read it for yourself"


When I read what he said, was when I went and got the Diamond dog food CNN reference, because I think people should realize that tainted foor can have serious consequences.

As far as 'alleged' , I find myself way often using the words 'reported' and 'alleged' these days.
I'm starting to sound like a lawyer. It's scary :ack2:

I'll keep a close watch out for news. I have 4 dogs, so you know my household is run on the canine concept of how the world ought to be.... :)

Cat_72 04-15-2006 08:09 AM

I got my answer...
 
I received an email back from the original person that has had 2 dogs DIE due to eating this food......PLEASE, anyone who feeds this, take heed to the warning and check it out. I will be contacting Nutro and others today, but with it being the holiday weekend, I doubt I will hear an answer until into next week.

Cathy,

Unfortunatley it is very true.

Sil McCall
www.rockytopboxers.com

--- Lynn & Cathy <catlynn@wctatel.net> wrote:

> Hello Sil,
>
> I recently received an email from a wonderful Boxer
> friend of mine, telling me of problems with Nutro
> dog food, and you were named as the source of the
> information. I hate to bother you, but I hate to
> just believe these emails after being forwarded so
> many times, and at the same time, I want to help get
> the word out there if indeed there is a
> problem........especially since I just purchased a
> new bag with a matching expiration date to that in
> the email.
>
> Any information you could provide would be most
> helpful.
>
> Thank you again,
> Cathy Peterson

Lucille 04-15-2006 08:42 AM

Cathy:

I admire that you looked into this and got an email back. I know it is a holiday weekend, but I think it would be an act of tremendous kindness to return the bag of food today and tell the store personnel why you are returning it.
They may, based on the info you present, remove that particular lot of food from the shelves until Nutro investigates, and certainly that would be a good turn for your fellow dog owners in case there is a problem with other bags in the lot.
The deaths may not be due to manufacturing, again, in the account both dogs shared house space at times, but it is a good thing to be proactive.

If you could get in touch with this person, ask her to contact Texas A&M and see if, given the widespread use of this food, whether they will do a free analysis for her. Their vet school is one of the best in the country, and the school in general has been helpful to me personally when I have contacted them with agricultural questions.

Cat_72 04-15-2006 08:59 AM

That's a good idea, Lucille, thank you, I will suggest that to her. I already emailed her back again and asked for more specifics, I don't know if she gots any of the results from the initial testing of the food or not. I guess I feel that if the Nutro company has offered to pay all of her vet bills, there must be SOMETHING going on....but again, I am checking more deeply as well.

I am also planning on returning the bag of food I have.

Lucille 04-15-2006 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat_72
I guess I feel that if the Nutro company has offered to pay all of her vet bills, there must be SOMETHING going on..

I can understand that feeling. But many times, in order to retain their good name and avoid the expense of litigation, large companies will underwrite costs that may not actually be their fault.

I know that in grocery stores if a consumer finds an item that is of questionable quality, the manufacturer many times will send out a case of the product or coupons as a thank you for bringing the matter to their attention. This can be for matters where it is clearly the store's duty to oversee the product as in product expirations.

I really am awaiting the outcome here; I hope the industry as a whole will renew their efforts at quality control since all of us put our trust in the manufacturers to sell good wholesome food for the dogs we love.

old guy 04-15-2006 11:19 AM

what I know of the business
 
Yes on making the consumer happy in anything the retailer can do as to me working at this time for Dillon's food stores. But back to the original thread of contamination of a product even for pets : Think of this > ( and let's all remember that I did say it is possible and could be a " authentic " case matter and I was in the retail - wholesale pet industry for over 21 years ), someone said that the dog food company would hide the facts ? Whether they did/do or not they couldn't/can't afford multi dollar law suits and or the negative flux of their product. ALL dog food companies imaginable ! > has breeders and kennels not to mention some animal control and animal re-locators/adoption agencies, feed ALL brands of dog food. A FACT ! See why there would be a recall or a taken off the shelve scenario ? But who would be liable for the contamination of either toxins of plant matter or animal products/bi-animal products ( i.e > chicken feet, cow hoofs, etc. to name a few ). Certainly not the retailer or wholesaler as they only marketed the product. The production company ? Maybe not Unless they used some kind of chemical themselves to extend shelf life or preservative or had the dirties machines around. The supplier of ingredients meaning pesticides and or herbicides of plant matter or if I read something here about thistle. I seem to remember USDA being involved with even pet foods. Even though this wasn't pet related remember how fast the brand of Blue Lake Green Beans was taken off the shelves after that frog or baby turtle was found in one single can. This was only a regional happening though. Not saying one or several bags of pet food could harbor a contamination problem but here is the process of re-call > ( and this could be a quality control issue or a inspector of the plant problem ) , the production plant gets notice, the wholesaler or kennel or dog breeder that buys skids or multi bags gets notice from the manufacture or direct, the wholesaler gives notice to retailer or dog breeders or kennels . Now that retailer could be a retail pet store, a grocery store , a feed store or even a hardware store since some of them got into the sales pet food. The product is recalled. Could this be a Tylenol scenario as to what someone said. Could several batches be contaminated solely or lone bags. SURE ! My facts of the business and my opinion.........

Cat_72 04-15-2006 11:43 AM

Mike, I have an excellent understanding of the retail business...as well as the thought process of the manufacturing company itself. I also understand how devastating it can be to lose an animal. I also know how many years and animal deaths it took before they took certain Hartz flea products off the market....the company denying the deaths the whole time. I also belive that Nutro is a good dog food as a whole. A lot of contradictions, huh?

This is why, I have said repeatedly, I am checking into this further. I'm NOT wanting to jump to conclusions, nor have I placed any blame on the company, the retailer, or some crazy out there a la the Tylenol nightmare. But whenther it be one bag, a few bags, or all of them, I'm NOT taking my critters health lightly. I simply wanted dog owners to be aware that this is going on, and use their own judgement from there.

Lucille 04-15-2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old guy
Yes on making the consumer happy in anything the retailer can do as to me working at this time for Dillon's food stores. But back to the original thread of contamination of a product even for pets : Think of this > ( and let's all remember that I did say it is possible and could be a " authentic " case matter and I was in the retail - wholesale pet industry for over 21 years ), someone said that the dog food company would hide the facts ? Whether they did/do or not they couldn't/can't afford multi dollar law suits and or the negative flux of their product. ALL dog food companies imaginable ! > has breeders and kennels not to mention some animal control and animal re-locators/adoption agencies, feed ALL brands of dog food. A FACT ! See why there would be a recall or a taken off the shelve scenario ? But who would be liable for the contamination of either toxins of plant matter or animal products/bi-animal products ( i.e > chicken feet, cow hoofs, etc. to name a few ). Certainly not the retailer or wholesaler as they only marketed the product. The production company ? Maybe not Unless they used some kind of chemical themselves to extend shelf life or preservative or had the dirties machines around. The supplier of ingredients meaning pesticides and or herbicides of plant matter or if I read something here about thistle. I seem to remember USDA being involved with even pet foods. Even though this wasn't pet related remember how fast the brand of Blue Lake Green Beans was taken off the shelves after that frog or baby turtle was found in one single can. This was only a regional happening though. Not saying one or several bags of pet food could harbor a contamination problem but here is the process of re-call > ( and this could be a quality control issue or a inspector of the plant problem ) , the production plant gets notice, the wholesaler or kennel or dog breeder that buys skids or multi bags gets notice from the manufacture or direct, the wholesaler gives notice to retailer or dog breeders or kennels . Now that retailer could be a retail pet store, a grocery store , a feed store or even a hardware store since some of them got into the sales pet food. The product is recalled. Could this be a Tylenol scenario as to what someone said. Could several batches be contaminated solely or lone bags. SURE ! My facts of the business and my opinion.........

The reason possibly contaminated food gets taken off the shelves so quickly is the legal theory of strict liability where a retailer and/or manufacturer can be sued in tort and be held liable even though they had no knowledge of the contamination and were not responsible for the harm other than being in the position of a seller.
Under this theory, one merely has to prove harm from the product, and prove that a particular vendor sold the product to you, one does not have to prove fault.
Because the consumer is totally unable to protect himself in cases where there are contaminated food and medications, and because the companies have resources to compensate, food and drugs are strict liability products.

Lucille 04-15-2006 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat_72
I'm NOT taking my critters health lightly.

Thank you. All they have is us, I think all animal owners should be this careful and responsible.

old guy 04-15-2006 12:58 PM

Disagree on retailer on the tort law
 
unless it was proven that they had knowledge and didn't do anything about it and or continued selling the product. AND we are talking about a rather large dog food company here. My experience is that ALL of the major dog food companies have representatives that visit and make sure that the product is taken off shelve. This is MANDATORY anyway for the recouping and or refund/credit on the retailers behalf. We had : Science Diet, Nutro, Iams, Pedigree, Nutro Max, and all other that I can't even remember representatives visit us often. Again my facts and opinion....thanks.

Lucille 04-15-2006 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old guy
unless it was proven that they had knowledge and didn't do anything about it and or continued selling the product. .

Nope. For strict liability, knowledge is not necessary. Here (Froma good explanatory website, Zuber and Tailleau):

What is the difference between a negligence claim and a strict liability claim?
In a products liability negligence claim, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant did not exercise the proper degree of care when manufacturing or otherwise providing the product to the consumer. Everyone in the chain of distribution must exercise reasonable care, including the designer, the manufacturer, and the seller. The duty is owed to anyone who is likely to be injured by the product if it is defective, including the initial purchaser, his or her family members, bystanders, and persons who lease the product or hold it for the purchaser.

The duty of care includes the duty to make adequate inspections during product manufacture, the duty to use proper packaging, and the duty to issue adequate instructions and warnings. If any of these duties is breached and someone is injured, the consumer or other injured party can bring a claim based on negligence.

In a strict liability case, on the other hand, the plaintiff need not prove any violation of the standard of care. Under this theory, the defendant is responsible for any defects in its products that threaten the safety of a consumer's person or property, even if it exercised care in handling the product and even if the plaintiff had no direct dealings with the defendant, such as when the consumer bought the product from someone other than the defendant. Strict liability applies when the defendant is engaged in the business of selling the product that caused the injury, and the product is expected to and does reach the consumer without a substantial change in the condition in which it was sold.

PaulSage 04-15-2006 03:59 PM

I had called Nutro on Friday morning when I got the email notification of this thread, and they were already out of the office for the weekend. :(

My Jersey is 3/4 of the way through a bag of this food, but the bag went out with the garbage on Monday, so I don't know if it was the same expiration date / lot no. or not. I haven't heard anything from anyone else about this, so I'm still somewhat skeptical (no offense, Cathy). My guess is that if the dog food was indeed to blame, that perhaps it became contaminated somewhere along the line. I don't know though. If anyone hears anything further, please post and let the rest of us know.

Caty, thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Cat_72 04-15-2006 04:11 PM

No offense taken at all Paul....I feel the same way. But I am playing it safe, and until I get more information, I'm not feeding them the bag that I just bought. I'd much rather be the "overprotective Mom" than wish I would have.

I did, however, just receive another email about it from a gal who shows Bouviers. I wish I knew more, I really do.

Cat_72 04-17-2006 03:04 PM

Well, Sil is personally having a necropsy done as well as having what is found in the dogs digestive tract analyzed, but she was told that it could take up to 6-8 weeks for any definitive answers. As soon as I hear anything more, I will again post it here.

Do with the information what you will, use your own judgement. My critters will be eating something else until I know for certain.

techgirl 04-18-2006 06:27 AM

i was looking for the info on nutro because i remember getting a fax at work on it but could only find the one on royal canin from 3/13/06. here's the dish on this...
The AVMA provided the following report on Royal Canin product withdrawal.
Dr. Denise Elliott of royal canin, is the signatory on what is titled "important product quality notice" and dated 3/6/06. "recently we (royal canin) withdrew several code lots of royal canin veterinary diet canine and feline canned diets. all hospitals purchasing the products involved have been notified directly. these specific code lats contained excess levels of vitamind D3 due to an error originating with the vitamin-mineral premix supplier. since the error has been detected we (royal canin) have stopped using this supplier and have put in place systematic vitamin D analysis and enhanced our quality checks in the finished product. recently we(royal canin) have received additional results of analyses indicating that other earlier lots of royal canin veterinary diet canned and pouch products are affected. therefore we are expanding the withdrawal to include the following batches of product..
*royal canin veterinary diet feline renal lp pouch (date codes of june 2007 and earlier)
*royal canin veterinary diet feline renal calorie control cc in gel canned(date codes of april 2007 and earlier)

the notice goes on to state "that the distributor should be contacted for product replacement or refund. the royal canin technical support team can be contacted at 1-800-592-6687 with questions or concerns. the notice also indicates the quote--all subsequence code lots have been tested and, other than the production lots noted above, can be used with confidence."

hope this helps some

techgirl 04-18-2006 06:30 AM

forgot to add for diamond food recall for aflatoxin in some products. see info at www.diamondpetrecall.net recall batches date codes of march 1, 2007 and were made in gaston,sc plant.

also check out the www.usrecalls.com/petfood.html for more info on recalls.

Lucille 05-05-2006 09:57 AM

Cathy, any news?
I am rethinking my choice to go only with Innova, it is a great food but the expense is increasing now that the GSD is growing up and I have 4 dog snouts to feed. I was thinking of mixing in some Nutro but until I hear what you think I will hold off.

Cat_72 05-05-2006 10:00 AM

I have not heard anything more yet. They said it could take 6-8 weeks, so I'm not expecting to for awhile.

I have not heard anything else negative either, so that is a good sign, at least.


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