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Should 'Croc Hunter' Death Tape be Seen?

Should 'Croc Hunter' Death Tape be Seen?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 15.1%
  • No

    Votes: 61 70.9%
  • No comment

    Votes: 12 14.0%

  • Total voters
    86

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The Associated Press

"If I'm going to die," the late "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin said in a 2002 interview, "at least I want it filmed."

He spoke with his usual humor, and clearly had no idea what would happen four years later. But the fact is, a tape does exist of Irwin's fatal encounter with a stingray while filming a TV show. And so the question arises: In the age of instant Web videos, might it get out? And in the broader sense, is making footage of a death public ever justified?

For its part, Discovery Communications, the network where Irwin became a star, said there was absolutely no truth to rumors that the footage, now in possession of police in Queensland, Australia, might be released.

But that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that someone could attempt to get their hands on it and publicize it for lurid means — or just to show they had it. That, said media analyst Martin Kaplan, would be tantamount to a snuff film.

"The only remote justification for publicizing this would be accident prevention," said Kaplan, of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Southern California. "But that argument is a stretch." Experts say deaths from a stingray encounter are exceedingly rare.

Irwin died Monday at age 44 after being stabbed in the chest by the stingray's poisonous spine while filming on the Great Barrier Reef.

He was hugely popular in the United States, becoming a star as the "Crocodile Hunter" on Discovery's Animal Planet channel. In an interview with Associated Press Radio in 2002, he discussed his passion for grappling with crocodiles: "That's what my hand and my brains are designed to do," he said with his trademark enthusiasm. "That's what I have to give to the world."

In the same interview, he noted: "If I'm going to die, at least I want it filmed ... If we blew a million dollars worth of cameras, at least we could have gone to MGM and gone, 'Hey, look at this tape.'"

Irwin's manager and close friend, John Stainton, had the painful experience of watching the videotape where Irwin pulls the stingray barb from his chest.

He called it "shocking."

"It's a very hard thing to watch, because you are actually witnessing somebody die, and it's terrible," he told reporters.

The fact that a tape exists recalls the death of Timothy Treadwell, a bear enthusiast who lived among them for a dozen years in Alaska before being fatally mauled in 2003. A video camera with the lens cap on captured the audio of that attack. It is in possession of a friend and has never emerged in public — though in his acclaimed documentary "Grizzly Man," director Werner Herzog was seen listening to it with headphones on.

Samuel G. Freedman, who teaches a media ethics class at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, says the issue is "whether there is any compelling public interest" in the release of something so shocking as footage of a death. Here, he says, there clearly isn't.

"The lay person is not going into the water trying to have encounters with stingrays," Freedman said. "It would be purely titillation and necrophilia if anyone were to show this."

There are dramatically different cases, Freedman believes, where there is a compelling public interest in having the option — as in the voluntary click of a mouse — to see the reality of a grisly death. To learn the harsh lessons of war, for example, or to witness the brutality of the beheadings by Islamic militants in Iraq — videos that were posted on Web sites used by the militants. (Others have argued that the existence of the militant videos is apalling.)

But those are very particular cases. In general, the explanations fall flat, says Kaplan of the Annenberg School, as when the Italian magazine that recently published a photo of Princess Diana getting oxygen moments after her fatal car crash called it "tender" and "touching."

In an era where almost everything ends up making it to the Web, is it inevitable that such a tape as that of Irwin's death would emerge?

"Only in the sense that there's a race for the bottom in our culture," Kaplan says. "This will take substantial vigilance on the part of the family."

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Perhaps there is some sort of morbidity inside of me that would want to see the demise of this man, however not in a sense that he deserved this in any way - he played many a games with animals as we know - took things to the extreme at times - but enjoyed, entertained, and educated us all at the same time.

He's gone and will be missed by many however, I'm sure not as much as his family will feel the loss - I think it is improper for this taping of his death to be pubilcally put on tv or the internet - Let him and his family rest in peace IMO...
 
Maybe somewhere down the line ( like a few years ) in the proper context it would not be an issue. But out of respect for his family I think airing it anytime in the near future would be tacky to say the least.
 
I myself feel that Steve Irwin's tape should be kept private. He did things differently than any other human alive thus far, and some of what he did was over the top..but IT WORKED and awareness was achieved. He made Animal planet what it is today. he educated Milions on many species and changed they way people looked at reptiles as well as other animals. He brought much joy and humor into our home over the years he was on tv. He made many laugh and made many angry and stirred up controversy with his antics, but nevertheless his intentions were good and he wanted to share his enthusiasm with the world...and he DID !!! He got ME interested in reptiles and changed my way of thinking, he changed my life in many ways and I don't even know him...
I honestly HOPE that his death is NEVER viewed...why would ANYONE want to see that ? It is beyond me how anyone could disrespect his family and put it out there , as they did with the beheading....which made me SO ANGRY. Anyway..he died doing exactly what he LOVED and I HOPE and PRAY he didn't suffer and never knew what hit him. His CHILDREN if anything deserve BETTER than curious people being insensitive and putting it out there. HOW would YOU feel if YOUR children saw YOU DIE...and then one day read SMART remarks about it and jokes. I think it is disrespectful..distasteful and unacceptable to show it.
Jenny
 
I wonder if Steve was able to get out the word "crikey" in his last remaining moments. In an interview before his death, he said that he wanted to say it at least one more time before he died. Interesting though, he always thought it would bea "croc" that got him.
 
I think the main curiousity that people have comes from the fact that he was always pulling off dangerous "stunts" and it's not an easy thing to come to grips with when one of the worlds greatest dies, what happened, what could he have done differently, well I think the media answered those questions, the only thing I would worry about if the clip made it to main stream would be small children watching their hero die, or even Bindi watching it..
honestly as much as we all miss him I think the sooner this all goes away the better, ABC news was bashing him the day he died about the "baby bob incident".
 
I totally agree with that. His family should be allowed to mourn his death without a video of it on the news. But in the future maybe a few years or so than it would be ok to release the video.


It was sad news to hear but honestly who else would you have expected to get stung in the heart by a stingray. He has taken the spot for third, I believe, person to be killed in Austrailia by a stingray.
He was a great guy but had it coming IMO


R.I.P.
Steve Irwin

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Jessica Villa
 
Rouen said:
honestly as much as we all miss him I think the sooner this all goes away the better,

I cant agree with that.
Steve Irwin was an outspoken person and lived his life that way for the conservation and survival of the worlds animal species and wildlife habitat.

I feel anyone would be hard pressed to say that he would Not want his dreams for the Australian Zoo to be realized or his legacy for the conservation of the worlds animals,or to be forgotten as the champion for the world most unliked and misunderstood animals.

He lived his life in front of the cameras for what he believed in,and unfortunately he perished the same way

To say that "..the sooner this all goes away the better ..."
is a statement i found to be wrong ,distastefull,and probably ignorant.
You obviously have not heard any of what he himself has said in his many many chronicled interviews ,nor do you understand why he wont ever be forgotten or why it wont ever "go away".

I think his death was not and will not be taken in vain and that he left us doing exactly what he loved doing,theaching us about the wonderfull ,extraordinary ,and sometimes dangerous world of the planets creatures that have no voice of their own.
The Australian Zoo was open the next day .Why ?
Because thats what Steve would have wanted.

Thank you Steve.I for one have learned much from you that i know i probably would not have learned elsewere.And for this i will always be thankfull for your time here on earth and how you lived your life.TO THE FULLEST !


And id bet that his last word was "crikey" .

and as far as the tape goes...thats the family's decision.
 
I wonder who has ownership of the tape and any copies that may have been made from it. Discovery channel??? Steve's "people"??? Terri??? I would personally like to see the owner of the tapes destroy them. To show that tape in my opinion would accomplish nothing. Who honestly needs to view that tape besides say maybe the police and the coroner???

I would just hate to see that tape "leaked" to the public by some twit who was only trying to make a buck. I'm sure there are people out there willing to pay millions for that tape. Just look at all of the other celebrity tapes that have been "leaked".............
 
I would also have to say, the tape should not be shown, unless Terri wanted it to be public (which I'm sure she wouldn't). Some people don't understand what it's like to lose a loved one unexpectedly, and though many people think they can empathize, I can tell you for a fact that no matter how much sympathy you may feel, unless something similar has happened to you, there's no way to imagine the horrible feeling of learning someone you love was just killed.

My mother was killed in a car accident in 2001. She was 54, and it was 3 months before my wedding. Had the accident been taped, I would not have wanted to see it, ever. There ARE photos of the accident scene (there was a lawsuit as a result of the accident), and I have never looked at them. I don't want to see my mom's last moments, or the close up photos of the car wreck, and I would hope that Terri and the two kids would never be exposed to the video unexpectedly (ie if it leaked out). Respect should be shown for the deceased and those close to him, even if the likelihood of Steve dying during an encounter with a dangerous animal were high.
 
good post Lauren ( liquidleaf ).....

I would agree with you and with anyone who would think this video should not be shown.

The main question would be, IMO, why would it need to be seen to begin with? What new information would anyone learn about stingrays? There is no reason.

Great point. I don't think any one of us would like to see one of our beloved family members on video getting killed. For example, my dad was killed in an auto accident back in January of this year. You think I want to see that? I already have it playing in my mind already almost each day, why would I want to actually have a video of that? I would be the first to douse that thing in kerosene and light that freaking thing on fire. :angry:

You have these people that search on the internet that love to see things related to death and all that. Yes..the curiousity of that subject is maybe in us all, but for that video to be shown of Steve Irwin dying, ....trust me..the family has been through enough. If they want to see it and they wish to do so, fine. This age we live in that EVERYTHING has got to be on video is getting more and more vast. Let's give some things some respect and the Irwin family's memories should be one of them.
 
The morbid side of me would like to see it.
But it should be up to the family whether or not to make it public.

I think in time, Teri will let it go public if there is something others can learn from the tape.
 
The family should decide if they want to show it or not. Maybe something can be found out about why the stingray stabbed him, and what precautions we could take to prevent that.

I personally am 2 sided on this, I would like to see it, but I dont want to see it because everybody would be talking about it. Ive had friends say he was a dumbass, he deserved it and had it coming, needless to say I calmly (read: furiously) explained to them why they are wrong.

I loved Steve Irwin, and am getting a tattoo on my arm in memory for him.

Rest in peace buddy, rest in peace...
 
liquidleaf said:
Some people don't understand what it's like to lose a loved one unexpectedly, and though many people think they can empathize, I can tell you for a fact that no matter how much sympathy you may feel, unless something similar has happened to you, there's no way to imagine the horrible feeling of learning someone you love was just killed.


I understand and I know how tough it can be to have things thrown around for years after the persons death, my uncle died of a sudden heart attack 3 weeks before he was to turn 40, he had a 10 y/o daughter and an 18 y/o son, he passed on in '05 he still does not have a headstone because of his wife, the only reason I stated I hope this goes away soon is because I am sure it's hard enough for Terri and everyone else he knew and loved, I am sure there are pictures of him everywhere and there are people beating his name to the ground for things done years ago, I never said lets all forget Steve, I know he'll never be forgotten, I simply meant that I hope the media drops the story soon to give his family a chance to mourn without constant reminders, but I guess not everyone has the same mindset.
the only reason I would want to see anyone die would be peace of mind to know they went as fast and painlessly as possible.
christopher66 said:
To say that "..the sooner this all goes away the better ..."
is a statement i found to be wrong ,distastefull,and probably ignorant.
 
I think relevant people have already viewed the tape to determine if there was anything that was done improperly to cause the attack. It was determined there wasn't. Consequently, I don't think that releasing it "for educational reasons" is valid.

He was a great guy but had it coming IMO
I'm not sure if you meant this as in "it was inevitable" or as in "he deserved it", but I disagree on both counts. Many people have dangerous jobs that don't end up causing their death. The difference is that they're not filmed doing it every day so that the armchair quarterbacks can discuss how qualified or not they are at performing those jobs.
 
I personally would not view it. However, I did see an interview where Steve clearly stated that he would want all of his tapes, even if it showed him killed, shown. I don't know if I could do it if I were his family but he did make it perfectly clear. I just hope there is a warning attached to the video before it's shown as I don't want to see it.

I went downstairs a couple of days ago and my 6 year old son was watching him on television. He had tears in his eyes. That man meant a whole lot to a whole lot.....

Griz
 
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