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04-26-2009, 11:02 AM

Matt, if anyone is being naive it is thee, if you think that elections today are free and fair and representative. You can't get elected Mayor or councilman without alot of money. Much less state office! If you live in the United States, you live in a pluto-oligarchy.

And, aside from the money angle, these new computerized voting machines can be used to steal any election you want (as long as you have the power to choose which machines to use and have your picked techs rig the software - software which is propriety and not open to inspection and verification by local election officials who may be honest). Look into BlackBoxVoting if you want your eyes opened.

As far as the conspiracy question, this is not the place to go into that. Suffice it to say that nigh on 8 years later there is still, still, a significant percentage of Americans who do not know that 9/11 was a "false-flag" operation. When a group of people has that kind of power, they can esssentially do anything.

The so-called Environmental Movement was good in the beginninig, but it was hijacked by certain groups of individuals some time ago to serve their ends. Read "The Report from Iron Mountain" sometime if you dare. "Enviro-Statism" is what it has been called by Mark Levin (q.v.). Since the whole ecological question is technical, and hence far beyond what laymen can know, it is the perfect vehicle for instituting all kinds of phoney regulations, which are used as a noose to tighten around the necks of you and me. The name of the game is power.

Shipping Anolis carolinensis from Hawai'i where they are an exotic species to the United States mainland has far fewer potential environomental risks than many things that have already happened. Was it hobbyists and guys like Bryan who want to start a cottage-industry, who released the fire ant into this country? No! it was "scientists" who were "studying them". Was it hobbyists and gardeners who intentionally planted Buffelgrass in the American southwest as a forage? and which has now proved a tremendous scourge? No! it was the smart guys in range management. How about Kudzu? Brought to the American south by misguided souls who thought that it would be a nice vine for they backyard? No! It was a government agency. Where's the "science" that addresses these pathogens that you are so worried about? It is easy to trot out some "danger" without anyone being able to verify it. Often these "dangers" originate from the desk of some anonymous bureacrat in some anonymous agency that knows very little about what they are regulating. And yet they have more power than a whole host of citizens who are merely trying to earn some money or "pursue their happiness".

Why should Hawai'i be the one regulating this commerce anyway? They are the one already with the problem; nothing is going to change that. And as far as importing Green Anoles into any particular mainland state, that regulation should be under the province of that state. It is so easy to pass a FEDERAL law than it is to review the situation state by state. Importing Anolis carolinensis into Montana is a helluva lot different from importing it into Georgia! A perfect example of this kind of knee-jerk regulation is the one currently being reviewed in Congress. HR 669. I am sure you have heard of it. It would basically shut down the entire pet industry in the United States! Why?

What is really more important? Passing blanket laws and regulations which do nothing more than create bureaucracies and laws restricting citizens' rights? or always erring on the side of personal liberty as outlined in the Constitution of the United States?

If all of this move towards more and more regulation were truly beneficent, that would be one thing. But when there is clear evidence for those "with eyes to see" that this is a concerted effort that has been going for many decades, and which has greatly accelerated in the last 8 years...then I get mad. This is nothing less than the usurpation of the sovereignty of the citizen and ultimately of the government of the United States of America into some "New World Order" world government. And it is far past time for citizens to stand up everywhere, even in forums like this, and challenge the opinions of those who are either pawns or active agents for this conspiracy.

04-26-2009, 11:02 AM	#13
gasteriaphile	Naive? Matt, if anyone is being naive it is thee, if you think that elections today are free and fair and representative. You can't get elected Mayor or councilman without alot of money. Much less state office! If you live in the United States, you live in a pluto-oligarchy. And, aside from the money angle, these new computerized voting machines can be used to steal any election you want (as long as you have the power to choose which machines to use and have your picked techs rig the software - software which is propriety and not open to inspection and verification by local election officials who may be honest). Look into BlackBoxVoting if you want your eyes opened. As far as the conspiracy question, this is not the place to go into that. Suffice it to say that nigh on 8 years later there is still, still, a significant percentage of Americans who do not know that 9/11 was a "false-flag" operation. When a group of people has that kind of power, they can esssentially do anything. The so-called Environmental Movement was good in the beginninig, but it was hijacked by certain groups of individuals some time ago to serve their ends. Read "The Report from Iron Mountain" sometime if you dare. "Enviro-Statism" is what it has been called by Mark Levin (q.v.). Since the whole ecological question is technical, and hence far beyond what laymen can know, it is the perfect vehicle for instituting all kinds of phoney regulations, which are used as a noose to tighten around the necks of you and me. The name of the game is power. Shipping Anolis carolinensis from Hawai'i where they are an exotic species to the United States mainland has far fewer potential environomental risks than many things that have already happened. Was it hobbyists and guys like Bryan who want to start a cottage-industry, who released the fire ant into this country? No! it was "scientists" who were "studying them". Was it hobbyists and gardeners who intentionally planted Buffelgrass in the American southwest as a forage? and which has now proved a tremendous scourge? No! it was the smart guys in range management. How about Kudzu? Brought to the American south by misguided souls who thought that it would be a nice vine for they backyard? No! It was a government agency. Where's the "science" that addresses these pathogens that you are so worried about? It is easy to trot out some "danger" without anyone being able to verify it. Often these "dangers" originate from the desk of some anonymous bureacrat in some anonymous agency that knows very little about what they are regulating. And yet they have more power than a whole host of citizens who are merely trying to earn some money or "pursue their happiness". Why should Hawai'i be the one regulating this commerce anyway? They are the one already with the problem; nothing is going to change that. And as far as importing Green Anoles into any particular mainland state, that regulation should be under the province of that state. It is so easy to pass a FEDERAL law than it is to review the situation state by state. Importing Anolis carolinensis into Montana is a helluva lot different from importing it into Georgia! A perfect example of this kind of knee-jerk regulation is the one currently being reviewed in Congress. HR 669. I am sure you have heard of it. It would basically shut down the entire pet industry in the United States! Why? What is really more important? Passing blanket laws and regulations which do nothing more than create bureaucracies and laws restricting citizens' rights? or always erring on the side of personal liberty as outlined in the Constitution of the United States? If all of this move towards more and more regulation were truly beneficent, that would be one thing. But when there is clear evidence for those "with eyes to see" that this is a concerted effort that has been going for many decades, and which has greatly accelerated in the last 8 years...then I get mad. This is nothing less than the usurpation of the sovereignty of the citizen and ultimately of the government of the United States of America into some "New World Order" world government. And it is far past time for citizens to stand up everywhere, even in forums like this, and challenge the opinions of those who are either pawns or active agents for this conspiracy.