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Old 02-09-2010, 04:39 PM   #78
dragonluver83
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Originally Posted by witblits View Post
Jeez DragonLover how can you make a statement like this?
Firstly we cleary state to all buyers that the genetics of this morphs is not known. And the rest of the info is simple: it is a new morph, must be genetic, true patternless, stay patternless, beautiful.
That is all the info the guys want to hear.
I promise if you were in my shoes, right here in SA, right now, then you would have done the exact same thing! I'm not a novice keeper. In fact I regard myself as a top breeder with alot of knowlegde on reptiles, genetics and their health. So why then don't I replicate this morph as I should be doing (you said it, and I have said it before that it would be the right thing)? 1) Because of my limited resources, namely feeder insects and variety of dragon morphs (I previously mentioned 'gene pool' but this was the wrong words.) and then 2) The fact that they are trying to implement a law making that bearded dragons illegal in SA! Yes so why risk all this, keep on 'playing' with the morph and one day insenerate them all... Pointless. That is why I have decided to send these animals overseas 'early'. The guys buying these animals know this. You would have if you read the website...
Basically there are two buyers. One is the collector who just wants a witblits as a 'pet', to complete his collection. Here it realy doesn't matter what genes these carry. He knows they are worth alot, both in price and in looks, and this makes his whole collection worth much more. Then there is the breeders. The guys buing these are the pioneers in bearded dragon breeding. They are taking the 'risk' and wil reap the awards! As they say risk = reward. These guys will produce morphs like solid red witblits, translucent witblits etc. It doesn't realy matter what trait this is to them because the less they know the more 'playing' around with it they have. And they know it has potential no matter what gene this is.
So the point is I had to sell them. No point in being selfish and keep it to myself and then it all goes to waste. Anyway if I had bred them longer and thus multiplied them the money would have been the same.
The first translucents were just as expensive. You would buy 5 for 3000ea and maybe two survived. Damn thats 7000 a dragon..!
Witblits babies don't die. They aren't weak! I have never lost a single witblits baby to 'weakness' or genetic abnormality. (I have lost a few but that was due to canabalism and heat stroke when they were in the care of another breeder).
These guys are on te market. And they have all the right to be there. They are not cars...
Jacques, please you can call me Tom. What was wrong with my statement? Yes, you state almost the same thing. Not much is known about the morph. I simply added more should be known about this animal before it is marketed. Your marketing a 4500 dollar bearded dragon without saying for sure its a simple recessive trait! Also here's my next question. You talk about breeding color to the witblits dragon right? red orange yellow? What if this animal cant not develop color? So now what? Make the animal lighter or whiter? Guess thats it?
So they were trying to take your beardies huh? that def would be depressing. Just like the breeders and hobbyist here and the states who just got done fight a bill to ban ALL NON NATIVE ANIMALS... Not just one species. And are we not still fighting the bill to ban the certain types of snake? I dont know... An because there may be a law passed to ban b.d. dragons in s.a. that means hurry sell sell sell??? and if so why are they not more affordable???
Yea your right, I am on here saying what i am saying, reading books, and giving titles to prove the facts, but i didnt take the five minutes needed to read your web-site..
So you talk about breeders and collectors? i am unsure any collector is going to drop 5500 hundred dollars To put that dragon in a cage and look at. Unless it just a rich schmo.And the "pioneer breeder" would buy a few of those animals get a wholesale price or a better price. So your saying these guys are taking the risk for 5 dragons at say 4500 a dragon plus exports fee's. So thats somewhere around 23 -24 Grand. For 5 dragons. then they have to reproduce a witblit to get a witblit price. which in the states my friend would be around 2 grand. and thats for the first ones.Thats alot of risk for not much reward...