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Originally Posted by bigdogg
All I see in this thread is going off topic about who's really in the deal. And the fact there was no qt. Now qt would be important if Brandon and Tom were saying the snake infected another snake and it died as well. But they just want compesation for the mystic potion male that died. So that is on them that they bred it when it came in. It was a BREEDER animal. It was in BREEDING mode when they got it. So of course you are gonne BREED it. Not let it sit in a tub alone for 30-90 days and let that sperm go down the drain.
I see this as being a hard problem to solve as it isn't actually Xaviers fault the snake died and not toms or brandon's either. But dying in 10 days isn't normal. So xavier being the seller in this situation should compesate somehow. Even if it is sending money or just one of the 2 snakes he got back. Something is better then nothing. But that all depends on who wants to man up and eat it. Tom and Brandon have already came to that point as they didn't post on here.
I do think it is funny how brandon is a bad guy in this thread for wanting to get reimbursed for a dead snake. How the hell does that fly. I can understand Xavier having a bad guy post but also how do you post a bad guy thread on someone after you posted a good guy thread about them.
IMO Xavier isn't in the wrong but he should fix this somehow. I know if he doesn't Tom and Brandon will just eat it and deal with it and be out the 3-5k. But they didn't come on here trying to start a fight or calling xavier a bad guy now did they.....
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Then that is the risk they took and the animal died by no fault of anyone, therefore, no one is owed anything.
There is nothing to fix if Xavier is not in the wrong.
Also, quarantine procedures is not off topic. Thomas and Brandon were losing their
over the animal "contaminating" their population with Salmonella. If they had quarantined properly and the animal died, that would be a moot point and not even something to consider. No one said it is normal for an animal to die ten days after arriving, but it should
not be considered normal to throw a newly arrived animal in with the general population to breed.
This is how disease spreads. This is how stress related complications arise quickly.
They were trying to pressure Xavier into sending the animals back before they even knew what happened to the animal, they also tried to assume and imply other things happened to the animal when the vet. never confirmed such things. Xavier wanted to wait for the results and when he got them, he made the decision, based on the evidence, that he was not at fault. There is no way to prove when the ulcers started, there is no way to prove where the Salmonella was contracted unless every animal from both collection has fecals sent off and one or more animals comes back positive. Now if both collections have evidence of Salmonella (incredibly likely since many animals, humans included, carry Salmonella unknowingly), then what? The situation still has no resolution in terms of just where the bacteria was contracted from.
What is known is lack of proper quarantine procedures in a stressful environment and a dead snake.
Again, risk of dealing with live animals. Shipping can drastically alter the health of an otherwise healthy appearing animal. This has been shown over and over again but I know if I sent an animal to someone and they did not quarantine it and threw it in with other animals I would tell them they are SOL. Had they taken the necessary procedures of precaution to cover their own butts it would be another story, but they did not.