just to give everyone an update we found a good Phoenix worm supplier
www.phoenixworm.com they have a great product,and 100% no problems packaging,shipping,communication all perfect
it was a little more expensive but something I would pay gladly
very happy I was able to give my friends a few cups,use a few cups,raise some,and sell some.
would also like to thank everyone for their time in viewing,and commenting on this thread.