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As far as the pain they must endure, and the ethics of the procedure: veterinarians do ear cropping, dew claw removal, tail docking, and feline claw removals all the time.
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All of those procedures are illegal in the UK, and many if not most vets in the US agree with their European colleagues and refuse to perform them. Inflicting pain and mutilation on an animal merely for human cosmetic reasons is very difficult to justify ethically.
If you are not able to keep an animal healthy and happy without mutilating it, perhaps you should not keep that kind of animal at all. Ball pythons make great pets, they come in all kinds of pretty color morphs, and you don't have to cut pieces off of them to keep them safely in your house. Keeping dangerous wild animals should be left to zoos or to fully qualified private keepers with professional level skills and tools.
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Many of these procedures can and are performed without anesthesia. At least the snakes are anesthetised.
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Surgery without anesthesia is animal cruelty. And that really is the scenario for most venomoids that are produced; they are made by amateurs who do not have access to the controlled drugs necessary to give anesthesia and pain relief. Reptiles can be paralyzed by the simple expedient of putting the in the refrigerator. This renders them unable to move, but fully conscious and feeling.
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BTW: The above post was posted by an overzealous friend, but it is a bit odd that you want to ban anyone with a differing opinion.
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I find it suspicious when people claim that "friends" are using their Fauna accounts to post things. Anyone can get their own Fauna account just by asking for it. Why hand out your password to a "friend" who might post things you don't agree with and make you look silly? Usually when people tell this story, it's because they want to backpedal or disclaim responsibility for something they said.
The reason that people are talking about a ban has to do with the history of venomoid discussions on the Net. Any time the subject comes up, it is likely to get extremely heated and to cause problems on the forum. Anyone can basically drop a nuclear grade bomb on a venomous forum just by posting a pro-venomoid opinion. The fallout lasts for weeks and it tends to be a huge mess. So we sometimes get trolls who enjoy causing this kind of trouble pretending to be pro-venomoid just for fun. If you post a pro-venomoid opinion, you tend to look like a troll. We do ban trolls, but we don't ban people who just have opinions. It's just hard to tell which one you are at the moment. And in some respects it doesn't matter because the negative effect on the forum is the same.
You've gotten the factual information you asked for. I hope it is of use to you. I don't know how to make this any more clear. Venomoiders are not welcome on venomous forums, and unless you are masochistic enough to enjoy being hated and held in total contempt as an animal abuser by everyone else in the group, this is not going to be a fun place to spend your time.