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07-10-2004, 10:58 AM

I’ve said it on other forums this story has shown up on. First the Media always blows these reports so far out of proportion its not funny so take it with a grain of salt.

Next with Mario being in business for so long and knowing the laws and the penalties it’s very hard to believe he would risk his business and the fines to ship illegally.

Also in the original article it states the Ordinance the persons violated was that of keeping dangerous animals.

Who actually dictates what a dangerous animal is and what is not. Statistically speaking Horses, Dogs, Cats, Parrots and other animals people would conceder domestic harmless pets have a much higher rate of physical attacks and fatalities then Reptiles. The CDC “Center for Decease Controls" statistics show that clearly.

This link will give some stats on snake bites in the US annually

http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER7.htm
45,000 bites of that 8,000 are venomous of that 12 or less are fatal.

Compared to Dogs as cited by the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/...l/00047723.htm

You may also wish to do a search on the CDC site for other animal injuries you will see just how low venomous rank on it.

Here is the Bismarck Law itself

http://www.bismarck.org/uploads/doc_...rotection..pdf

If we go by their definitions of “Dangerous” Any animal could be construed as dangerous so where is the line drawn. Yes I see it said poisonous or sting but goes on to mention size and propensity to be bite as well as aggression.

The law is there yes to protect people, but is in its writing a very bad law. If we went by stats any animal could be construed as “dangerous” Keep in mind as well North Dakota has no regulations regarding venomous snake ownership.

IT IS NOT the responsibility of the Import/ exporter to know every law and ordinance in the world. IT IS the responsibility of the buyer to know their local laws. You can not fault the Seller if he/she is in good faith selling the animal under the known laws of the state.

We also CAN NOT and DO NOT always have ways to verify the skill level or knowledge level of a person we sell to. I can spend a week online and reading books and be able to fool a seller as to my skills and knowledge. Vendors have to use good faith and judgment based on what they hear from the potential buyer.

And again if you believe what the PRESS puts out you’re a fool. I have been on hand of an envenomation that did make the news and the reports were so incorrect it was not funny. The Media had to make it sound like it was extremely life threatening for people to read it. So they used buzz words to spice it up. Not at all out of the ordinary for the media, actually is more the norm.

As to these two people unless they actually come on a site and post their accounts we will never know the truth.

07-10-2004, 10:58 AM	#33
Mustangrde1	I’ve said it on other forums this story has shown up on. First the Media always blows these reports so far out of proportion its not funny so take it with a grain of salt. Next with Mario being in business for so long and knowing the laws and the penalties it’s very hard to believe he would risk his business and the fines to ship illegally. Also in the original article it states the Ordinance the persons violated was that of keeping dangerous animals. Who actually dictates what a dangerous animal is and what is not. Statistically speaking Horses, Dogs, Cats, Parrots and other animals people would conceder domestic harmless pets have a much higher rate of physical attacks and fatalities then Reptiles. The CDC “Center for Decease Controls" statistics show that clearly. This link will give some stats on snake bites in the US annually http://www.fpnotebook.com/ER7.htm 45,000 bites of that 8,000 are venomous of that 12 or less are fatal. Compared to Dogs as cited by the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/...l/00047723.htm You may also wish to do a search on the CDC site for other animal injuries you will see just how low venomous rank on it. Here is the Bismarck Law itself http://www.bismarck.org/uploads/doc_...rotection..pdf If we go by their definitions of “Dangerous” Any animal could be construed as dangerous so where is the line drawn. Yes I see it said poisonous or sting but goes on to mention size and propensity to be bite as well as aggression. The law is there yes to protect people, but is in its writing a very bad law. If we went by stats any animal could be construed as “dangerous” Keep in mind as well North Dakota has no regulations regarding venomous snake ownership. IT IS NOT the responsibility of the Import/ exporter to know every law and ordinance in the world. IT IS the responsibility of the buyer to know their local laws. You can not fault the Seller if he/she is in good faith selling the animal under the known laws of the state. We also CAN NOT and DO NOT always have ways to verify the skill level or knowledge level of a person we sell to. I can spend a week online and reading books and be able to fool a seller as to my skills and knowledge. Vendors have to use good faith and judgment based on what they hear from the potential buyer. And again if you believe what the PRESS puts out you’re a fool. I have been on hand of an envenomation that did make the news and the reports were so incorrect it was not funny. The Media had to make it sound like it was extremely life threatening for people to read it. So they used buzz words to spice it up. Not at all out of the ordinary for the media, actually is more the norm. As to these two people unless they actually come on a site and post their accounts we will never know the truth.