FaunaClassifieds - View Single Post - Bad Guy I GOT SCAMMED!!! By Randy Gilkerson (lilroc338) of Gilroc Reptiles!!! BEWARE!!

08-12-2011, 05:47 PM

Hey all, was hoping I'd never have to write a bad review on someone in this forum but it has come to it. I am rather new to posting and not sure how to insert messages (PMs) and the majority of our conversation did occur thru texting (although I actually have Verizon working on locating an app for me to save the entire text conversation to my gmail for reposting

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I had posted a trade ad for a couple snakes, one being my 09 male bumble bee. Randy sent me a PM on the night of 8/7/11:

i got a female black pastel 489 grams i would trade for the bee...you can call or text for pics of her 740 407 7092

the next day (when I received his message) I texted him and he sent me a photo of the snake (it was obviously a black pastel the but photo was not a great photo, blury and a close-up of the side/belly) and he also said he had a lesser female but pics were on his facebook. so I went on his facebook to check out pics of the lesser, never found pics of the female black pastel. i read through his wall to sort of get a feel of who he was. saw that he had bid on some auctions on Frank Asci's wall, I was interested in contacting more people doing auctions so I friended Frank and while going through his photos I saw that Randy had bid and won a black pastel male.

So onward, we chatted on the phone, and through texting. Decided to ship out the same time on the same day which was Wednesday 8/10/11. The night before we shipped I texted him and asked him if he was POSITIVE the snake was a female, because over the last couple months I have had people send me snakes that were sexed incorrectly and I wanted to make sure I specifically asked that the snake be popped and probed before it was sent. he sent me a picture of his probing tools and said she was probed twice and popped and she was indeed female. great! so i sent him the tracking (from iHerp, feeding record) on my male bee as well as a couple photos of his tub set up (so he was aware of how he was used to being kept) and we shipped the snakes out at 6pm on wednesday.

Thursday morning I had to be in class and the Fedex tracking said my package had not arrived at the facility yet so I decided I would pick the snake up on my lunch break. So Randy received my package around 9am and texted me saying the bee was very cold when he arrived. I was not with the snake during shipment, so yes he may have been cold. But it has been in the HIGH 90s here in Florida (and according to others I have spoken with it was to my understand that it was in the 90s in Ohio as well) so there was NO WAY I was about to throw a heat pack in with the snake! The bee was in transit for a little more than 12 hours....so I told him to make sure to get him set up and heat ASAP. then he texts me and asks if he always hisses. and I told him that when I first got him he did hiss a few times. and then he said that he has a RI and he needs to go to the vet. I told him that he was 100% healthy when he left, that he may have just gotten cold in transit and to put him in a tub, crank the heat upto 95 with high humidity and let me know how he was later that afternoon. He then accused me of knowing the snake was sick and sending him a sick snake, and that he was on his way to the vet and it was going to cost him $200. I offered for him to ship the snake back (the snake was NOT SICK when he left my home!) He then wouldn't text me back.

So on my lunch break I went to Fedex to pick up the package. when I got out to my car I used my key to open the tape, I ALWAYS check the snake IMMEDIATELY so make sure they are alive upon arrival. I open the box, the snake was rather small...mind you this was supposed to be a 459 gram snake. The first thing I do is check for mites, and then pop the snake. And upon doing so, 2 hemipenes popped out. I think I almost passed out. KIDDING ME??? So I IMMEDIATELY call Randy (didn't even get in the car yet at this point becuase I was ready to send the box straight back to him) and he ignored my phone call. I called a couple times, left 2 messages and he wouldn't take my call. I then texted him and told him I just popped the snake and its a male. I didn't hear back so I had to go, on my way back to class he texted me back and said it was a female. I told him no, its a male. said I was lying. that he sent me a female. I told him to ship the bee back and I would immediately ship the male back. He asked if I was going to pay the vet bill and I said no, it was his choice to take the bee to the vet and he said then we're not shipping back. I didn't have a lot of time but I quickly drove to my friends pet store and asked one of his employees to take a picture of me popping the snake (was impossible for me to pop the snake and take a photo myself) so I texted the photo to Randy. I also weighed the snake while I was there, he was 254 grams (far cry from 459 He THEN accuses me of switching the snake! I sent him the pics and he said "what's that your other male black pastel???" OMG! I do have another black pastel male and he knows this (because thats one of the reasons I had wanted a female!) but the male I got is het albino and came from Mike Bell about a month ago. He told me I was full of shit. I told him to either send the bee back or send me the right snake and I would ship the male back---it occured to me that maybe he did send me the wrong snake...its not like I had received a 459 gram male---and maybe it was just incorrectly sexed, this was the WRONG SNAKE altogether. And it then dawned on me that he had bought that black male pastel from Frank Acsi! So I got on facebook (from this point forward I was in class on my phone on facebook) and SURE ENOUGH there was the picture on Frank's page of the black pastel MALE, the one I had been sent.

I told him I had proof and he told me to send his female back. I don't have his female, he sent me a MALE! So at this point I was boiling mad. He wouldn't return my texts except for calling me a liar and a scammer and that I have done this before (because I had told him I had been send snakes that were the wrong sex before, however ALL of those people gladly returned the snakes without question). I told him I was going to get my attorney invovled and he said go ahead, that he would win. I did call my attorney on my way home, and he did say if i could prove it that I would have no problem winning a case in court, however, because I am in Florida and this issue originated in Ohio, it would be a lot of money and time....over a snake. But then again this is the principle of the issue, he lied to me and scammed me.

So the minute I got him I fired up my laptop, went straight to Frank's facebook, and took this photo of the snake I was sent....EXACT MATCH.

So I immediately messaged Frank on facebook. He immediately CALLED ME on my cell phone and verified that YES this is the snake that Randy bought from him, and Randy still owes him a bunch of money!! I texted this photo to Randy, and he went on to tell me I am an asshole and a dumbass (repeatedly) and that he got one snake from Frank and that was not the snake. However Frank said that indeed was the black pastel male that he sold to Randy. THEN he tried to accuse ME of buying the snake from Frank, and switching it with this 'female' that he sent me. REALLY?? This guy is OUT OF HIS MIND!!

So after that I was done. I had all the proof I needed to know he intentionally sent me this 254 gram male black pastel, he probably never even had a female. And I highly doubt my bee is sick. Oh, and somewhere in the conversation before I got him I was so frustrated and did not want to be stuck with this black pastel so I told him to just ship the bee back and to send me the vet bill. He wouldn't send me the vet bill, so I highly doubt there even is one. I don't believe for a second that bee was sick at all.

I am LIVID about this and basically there's nothing I can do. He has my bee, I'm stuck with this male black pastel, and he got away with the scam. But I will NOT allow this to happen to anyone else. He is a total liar, he lied repeatedly to me, called me names, and accused me of lying and being scandelous.

I am trying hard to figure out a way to save the text conversation and post it. I may just retype the whole thing if you guys think that will be sufficient?

I have a DroidX so if anyone knows how to save entire conversations please let me know. It was easy to do on my blackberry but I have not been successful in finding out how to do it on my Droid although I did call Verizon and one of their tech support guys are supposed to call me back.

If any of you have any questions please let me know. I have a long work weekend ahead of me so if I do not get back to you please don't think I am avoiding the thread, I just can't sit here 24/7 on my computer (and we are not permitted to be on the phone at work). I don't think I have ever been so upset in my life. Between the tears, the stress, the fact I paid NO attention in class yesterday, I should be sueing him for the cost of my class since its only a 7 day class and I will probably have to retake a portion of it.

let me know if typing my text conversation and posting it here would be helpful, if so I will be more than happy to find the time to do it. Also, Frank Asci is more than happy to verify that this is indeed the snake he sold (thru his auction) to Randy. I guess in all of this I just really hope Randy is smart enough and decent enough to take care of his animals...i care about my animals and although I am able to part with them to sell or trade I still always try to make sure they go to a good home. I hope my bee will be okay,

I so wish he would have just shipped him back to me yesterday.

Thanks everyone for listening and please let me know how I can get all the text conversation onto this thread for everyone to read.

08-12-2011, 05:47 PM	#1
tikigator	I GOT SCAMMED!!! By Randy Gilkerson (lilroc338) of Gilroc Reptiles!!! BEWARE!! Hey all, was hoping I'd never have to write a bad review on someone in this forum but it has come to it. I am rather new to posting and not sure how to insert messages (PMs) and the majority of our conversation did occur thru texting (although I actually have Verizon working on locating an app for me to save the entire text conversation to my gmail for reposting ) I had posted a trade ad for a couple snakes, one being my 09 male bumble bee. Randy sent me a PM on the night of 8/7/11: i got a female black pastel 489 grams i would trade for the bee...you can call or text for pics of her 740 407 7092 the next day (when I received his message) I texted him and he sent me a photo of the snake (it was obviously a black pastel the but photo was not a great photo, blury and a close-up of the side/belly) and he also said he had a lesser female but pics were on his facebook. so I went on his facebook to check out pics of the lesser, never found pics of the female black pastel. i read through his wall to sort of get a feel of who he was. saw that he had bid on some auctions on Frank Asci's wall, I was interested in contacting more people doing auctions so I friended Frank and while going through his photos I saw that Randy had bid and won a black pastel male. So onward, we chatted on the phone, and through texting. Decided to ship out the same time on the same day which was Wednesday 8/10/11. The night before we shipped I texted him and asked him if he was POSITIVE the snake was a female, because over the last couple months I have had people send me snakes that were sexed incorrectly and I wanted to make sure I specifically asked that the snake be popped and probed before it was sent. he sent me a picture of his probing tools and said she was probed twice and popped and she was indeed female. great! so i sent him the tracking (from iHerp, feeding record) on my male bee as well as a couple photos of his tub set up (so he was aware of how he was used to being kept) and we shipped the snakes out at 6pm on wednesday. Thursday morning I had to be in class and the Fedex tracking said my package had not arrived at the facility yet so I decided I would pick the snake up on my lunch break. So Randy received my package around 9am and texted me saying the bee was very cold when he arrived. I was not with the snake during shipment, so yes he may have been cold. But it has been in the HIGH 90s here in Florida (and according to others I have spoken with it was to my understand that it was in the 90s in Ohio as well) so there was NO WAY I was about to throw a heat pack in with the snake! The bee was in transit for a little more than 12 hours....so I told him to make sure to get him set up and heat ASAP. then he texts me and asks if he always hisses. and I told him that when I first got him he did hiss a few times. and then he said that he has a RI and he needs to go to the vet. I told him that he was 100% healthy when he left, that he may have just gotten cold in transit and to put him in a tub, crank the heat upto 95 with high humidity and let me know how he was later that afternoon. He then accused me of knowing the snake was sick and sending him a sick snake, and that he was on his way to the vet and it was going to cost him $200. I offered for him to ship the snake back (the snake was NOT SICK when he left my home!) He then wouldn't text me back. So on my lunch break I went to Fedex to pick up the package. when I got out to my car I used my key to open the tape, I ALWAYS check the snake IMMEDIATELY so make sure they are alive upon arrival. I open the box, the snake was rather small...mind you this was supposed to be a 459 gram snake. The first thing I do is check for mites, and then pop the snake. And upon doing so, 2 hemipenes popped out. I think I almost passed out. KIDDING ME??? So I IMMEDIATELY call Randy (didn't even get in the car yet at this point becuase I was ready to send the box straight back to him) and he ignored my phone call. I called a couple times, left 2 messages and he wouldn't take my call. I then texted him and told him I just popped the snake and its a male. I didn't hear back so I had to go, on my way back to class he texted me back and said it was a female. I told him no, its a male. said I was lying. that he sent me a female. I told him to ship the bee back and I would immediately ship the male back. He asked if I was going to pay the vet bill and I said no, it was his choice to take the bee to the vet and he said then we're not shipping back. I didn't have a lot of time but I quickly drove to my friends pet store and asked one of his employees to take a picture of me popping the snake (was impossible for me to pop the snake and take a photo myself) so I texted the photo to Randy. I also weighed the snake while I was there, he was 254 grams (far cry from 459 He THEN accuses me of switching the snake! I sent him the pics and he said "what's that your other male black pastel???" OMG! I do have another black pastel male and he knows this (because thats one of the reasons I had wanted a female!) but the male I got is het albino and came from Mike Bell about a month ago. He told me I was full of shit. I told him to either send the bee back or send me the right snake and I would ship the male back---it occured to me that maybe he did send me the wrong snake...its not like I had received a 459 gram male---and maybe it was just incorrectly sexed, this was the WRONG SNAKE altogether. And it then dawned on me that he had bought that black male pastel from Frank Acsi! So I got on facebook (from this point forward I was in class on my phone on facebook) and SURE ENOUGH there was the picture on Frank's page of the black pastel MALE, the one I had been sent. I told him I had proof and he told me to send his female back. I don't have his female, he sent me a MALE! So at this point I was boiling mad. He wouldn't return my texts except for calling me a liar and a scammer and that I have done this before (because I had told him I had been send snakes that were the wrong sex before, however ALL of those people gladly returned the snakes without question). I told him I was going to get my attorney invovled and he said go ahead, that he would win. I did call my attorney on my way home, and he did say if i could prove it that I would have no problem winning a case in court, however, because I am in Florida and this issue originated in Ohio, it would be a lot of money and time....over a snake. But then again this is the principle of the issue, he lied to me and scammed me. So the minute I got him I fired up my laptop, went straight to Frank's facebook, and took this photo of the snake I was sent....EXACT MATCH. So I immediately messaged Frank on facebook. He immediately CALLED ME on my cell phone and verified that YES this is the snake that Randy bought from him, and Randy still owes him a bunch of money!! I texted this photo to Randy, and he went on to tell me I am an asshole and a dumbass (repeatedly) and that he got one snake from Frank and that was not the snake. However Frank said that indeed was the black pastel male that he sold to Randy. THEN he tried to accuse ME of buying the snake from Frank, and switching it with this 'female' that he sent me. REALLY?? This guy is OUT OF HIS MIND!! So after that I was done. I had all the proof I needed to know he intentionally sent me this 254 gram male black pastel, he probably never even had a female. And I highly doubt my bee is sick. Oh, and somewhere in the conversation before I got him I was so frustrated and did not want to be stuck with this black pastel so I told him to just ship the bee back and to send me the vet bill. He wouldn't send me the vet bill, so I highly doubt there even is one. I don't believe for a second that bee was sick at all. I am LIVID about this and basically there's nothing I can do. He has my bee, I'm stuck with this male black pastel, and he got away with the scam. But I will NOT allow this to happen to anyone else. He is a total liar, he lied repeatedly to me, called me names, and accused me of lying and being scandelous. I am trying hard to figure out a way to save the text conversation and post it. I may just retype the whole thing if you guys think that will be sufficient? I have a DroidX so if anyone knows how to save entire conversations please let me know. It was easy to do on my blackberry but I have not been successful in finding out how to do it on my Droid although I did call Verizon and one of their tech support guys are supposed to call me back. If any of you have any questions please let me know. I have a long work weekend ahead of me so if I do not get back to you please don't think I am avoiding the thread, I just can't sit here 24/7 on my computer (and we are not permitted to be on the phone at work). I don't think I have ever been so upset in my life. Between the tears, the stress, the fact I paid NO attention in class yesterday, I should be sueing him for the cost of my class since its only a 7 day class and I will probably have to retake a portion of it. let me know if typing my text conversation and posting it here would be helpful, if so I will be more than happy to find the time to do it. Also, Frank Asci is more than happy to verify that this is indeed the snake he sold (thru his auction) to Randy. I guess in all of this I just really hope Randy is smart enough and decent enough to take care of his animals...i care about my animals and although I am able to part with them to sell or trade I still always try to make sure they go to a good home. I hope my bee will be okay, I so wish he would have just shipped him back to me yesterday. Thanks everyone for listening and please let me know how I can get all the text conversation onto this thread for everyone to read.