RYAN OLMAK (RYAN67STANG@MSN.COM) FROM MICHIGAN

I NEED HELP IN A SITUATION. MAYBE SOMEONE CAN HELP. I RESPONDED TO ADS PLACED BY A RYAN OLMAK (RYAN67STANG@MSN.COM) FROM MICHIGAN ON 3 DIFFERENT SITES FOR SALE: 2-3 MONTH OLD NOSEY BE PANTHERS 3-4" LONG. HE GUARANTEED A SEXED PAIR. I PAID HIM AND WHAT I RECEIVED ARE 2 PANTHERS (?) AND MAYBE 2-3 WEEKS OLD. IMPOSSIBLE TO SEX BECAUSE OF AGE. HE SAID HE SOLD OUT OF ALL THE OLDER ONES AND THIS IS WHAT HE HAD LEFT. HE REFUSES TO REFUND ANY $$ AND DOES NOT GRASP THE FACT THAT HE CANNOT SELL YOUNGER CHAMS FOR THE SAME PRICE. IT'S FRAUD - SINCE HE NEVER TOLD ME HE WAS SHIPPING ME NEWBORNS ..... I NEVER WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THEM - ESPECIALLY WHAT I PAID FOR THEM.

WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS DO I FILE A POLICE REPORT AND SMALL CLAIMS IN MI WHERE THE SELLER IS OR IN FLORIDA WHERE I LIVE ? MONEY WAS SENT THROUGH PAYPAL AND SHIPPING WAS THROUGH FEDEX. I HAVE ALREADY FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE FBI INTERNET FRAUD CENTER AND PAYPAL WILL NOT GET INVOLVED WITH RECEIVING "NOT AS DESCRIBED MERCHANDISE" THEY ONLY HANDLE IF YOU DO NOT RECEIVE MERCHANDISE.

IF SOMEONE CAN ASSIST THAT WOULD BE GREAT ... THANKS

We have never had any dealings with this person, however, for your post to be taken seriously and help given, your full name must be posted on the bottom.

Brian & Laura Hamel
Tribal Propagation

MY FULL NAME IS LISTED UNDER MY LOGON NAME .....

Sorry, just noticed in the upper left hand corner that it has your signature. Good luck clearing up this unfortunate situation.

Brian & Laura Hamel
Tribal Propagation

you can e-mail them a link to your post and let them know that a good portion of the herp world can now see how he does business. maybe then he will change his mind.

Beth,
Do you have any more info on Ryan? I tried to look him up using people find but I got nothing. I am in Michigan and would be willing to help you out. Do you happen to have pic's of these newborn chams? I hate to see a fellow "Michigander" go bad...

I'm in Michigan too and have never heard of him. What city if he in? Phone area code? That would help. Small claims won't do much good really. I would certainley point him to this thread so that he can see how bad it will go for his future sales if he should not resolve this with you. Evan

YES, I HAVE ALL OF HIS INFO. NAME, ADDRESS, TEL #. I WON'T POST IT ALL HERE BUT HE IS IN OAKLAND, MI 48363

YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT FLLDIVER@AOL.COM

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP ... HE FEELS HE HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG AND REFUSES TO REFUND PART OF THE $$ I PAID TO HIM. I HAVE COPIES OF ALL EMAILS INVOLVING THIS TRANSACTION. I WILL TAKE HIM TO COURT IF I HAVE TO.

THANKS
BETH

PS. I'M FROM MICHIGAN ALSO, BUT TRUST ME I DON'T FRAUD PEOPLE LIKE THIS !!!

HAVE PICS ... CAN'T GET THEM SMALL ENOUGH TO POST. I CAN EMAIL THEM DIRECT TO YOU ...

RYAN OLMACK ... IS 20 YEARS OLD ACCORDING TO HIS MSN PROFILE. HE LIVES WITH HIS PARENTS ACCORDING TO REVERSE LOOK-UP ON HIS TEL # (AREA CODE 248).

ACCORDING TO HIS EMAILS TO ME HE SOLD 20 OTHER OF THESE PANTHERS. MAYBE EVERYONE ELSE GOT WHAT THEY PAID FOR. RYAN'S EXCUSE IS THAT HE SOLD OUT OF ALL THE OTHER "OLDER" PANTHERS AND SENT ME WHAT HE HAD LEFT. HE KEPT DELAYING SHIPPING TO ME FOR ABOUT 2 WEEKS, SO I HONESTLY BELIEVE HE WAITED FOR THEM TO HATCH. THEIR LITTLE BODIES ARE JUST UNDER 1" LONG STV. SUPPOSED TO HAVE SENT 3 MONTH OLDS 3-4 ", 1M/1F. THESE ARE WAY TOO YOUNG TO SEX - EVEN ACCORDING TO THE VET I TOOK THEM TO TO VERIFY AGE 2-3 WEEKS OLD.

I'M SURE HE DOES NOT HAVE A BUSINESS AND JUST SELLS HIS OFFSPRING OUT HIS HOUSE. WHICH IS FINE AS LONG AS HE ASSUMES PROPER BUSINESS ETHICS.

You can go to small claims court if you want. You pay for filing the paperwork (I think it is still $15-18). Then if they don't show, which they most likely won't you will get a judgement that is very hard to collect, especially if they are unemployed, underage, etc. I would try much harder to resolve it on your own.