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04-19-2018, 08:21 PM
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Scam Artist Keven Vogenberger
How do you know if the uro you bought is captive bred or wild caught? I feel like I was lied to. I bought two from the same person. Both claimed to be juveniles, healthy and tame. When I received them they were both terrified of being held. The larger approx 7-8 inches and the yellow got very sick and when I brought him in it was suggested he was wild caught, at least 5yrs old and had simply become so stressed that he was captured and unable to do his normal thing that he stopped eating. He died two weeks after I got him. The second a much smaller, 4-5 inches has thrived, very skittish but eats and hides constantly. The seller kept saying it was my enclosure that was the problem but the vet and a reptile specialist says otherwise. What can I do? I just don’t want anyone else to buy from this seller and think they’re a monster for killing their babies. Please help!!
He has sold several species all of which dying within weeks and blaming it on the buyers enclosures! He knows how to seem sympathetic but numerous people on Uromastyx Club on Facebook have verified my worst fears of what he has done. He preys on people who wouldn’t know better and pockets the profit of these poor animals death.
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04-19-2018, 08:23 PM
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04-19-2018, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tmcgrath
The seller kept saying it was my enclosure that was the problem but the vet and a reptile specialist says otherwise.
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Do you have papers from the vet/specialist you could post please?
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04-19-2018, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tmcgrath
He has sold several species all of which dying within weeks and blaming it on the buyers enclosures! He knows how to seem sympathetic but numerous people on Uromastyx Club on Facebook have verified my worst fears of what he has done. He preys on people who wouldn’t know better and pockets the profit of these poor animals death.
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Could you have more of his customers with sick/dead animals post here as well? The more negative feedback, the less likely someone will purchase from him if they read the comments.
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04-19-2018, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Snake-Queen
Could you have more of his customers with sick/dead animals post here as well? The more negative feedback, the less likely someone will purchase from him if they read the comments.
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I’ll try to find some but right now it’s all on Facebook of people having similar situations.. Uromastyx Club On FB
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04-19-2018, 10:55 PM
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Please send those people the link to this thread and ask them to tell their stories.
Uromastyx Club is a closed group so you have to join it to read it, and Google searches will not pick up names or information in closed groups. Google will pick up Fauna posts in it's results if people use it to do research on this guy which is another reason to post here.
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04-19-2018, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bcr229
Please send those people the link to this thread and ask them to tell their stories..
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But do note that the BOI requires everyone to tell their own story, not to post for others, so people will need to register on Fauna (it's very simple) to do this.
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04-20-2018, 07:53 AM
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Ok first of all the Saharan was listed as wc and the Moroccan was listed as cb import I begged you not to put an adult Saharan in a 20 gallon tank with a baby Saharan I sent out your uros on Feb 18th and messaged you till the 24th to have you please show me your enclosure. You killed these animals just like I told you that you would if you didn't set them up correctly. You never even messaged me to tell me they weren't doing well my last message to you was to please show me your enclosure cause I knew you didn't change them out.trying to jump on my veil complaint with this nonsense is bull If someone can tell me how to post my text messages I will gladly post them. Also I looked on your page and the Moroccan had his toe bit off another sign of how stressed they were. If someone doesn't set this girl straight and tell her that housing an adult Saharan with a baby moroccan with God knows what heat will kill her animals. They will get stressed that leads to dehydration and eventually death. I believe the Moroccan still isn't cared for right cause I can't still het any pics of her enclosure.
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04-20-2018, 08:00 AM
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As for a bunch of people I had a frog die two weeks after I sold it. What happened to it I don't know I wasn't notified that it was even sick. I was just told it died 2 weeks later. It was a beautiful healthy frog that in two weeks failed but I had the frog for 5 months with no problems. I need to know how to post my messages so I can post me literally begging her to not put them together in a 20gallon tank.
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04-20-2018, 08:14 AM
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Also if you look on her fb page it lived longer then 2 weeks at 2 weeks there's a pic of it still being fat but not eating or drinking and that's because it was stressed out in a 20 gallon tank with a different species of uromastyx and totally different sizes. I'm surprised the Moroccan is still alive.
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