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07-22-2007, 03:52 PM
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Bad Customer Service?
I was recently the victim of what I consider to be bad customer service. I would like opinions on the situation, please. I will leave names and specifics out...Here's the situation:
I email a breeder with the intention of being put on a wait list for a pair of snakes that have been advertised on his site for over six months. He tells me they may be spoken for, but I can put down a deposit in case a pair becomes available. Great, I email and say what percent deposit and how would he like to be paid. In the next email he says, "I've been meaning to update the prices on the expected offspring page. I put 2007 prices on the site in late 2006, and I meant to change the [names ommitted] to $3000/pair. I know that's a bit of a jump, so I understand if this changes your mind on wanting to put down a deposit. If you want to go ahead and reserve a pair..." Well, the price increase was 50% (from 2k to 3k).
I now this person has every right to ask what he wants and when he wants, but is this good business practice? I strongly believe it is not. I could never do that to my customers. I believe that the current advertised price should be honored, especially when you've already agreed to make a deposit and said price. What do you guys think?
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07-22-2007, 04:14 PM
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I don't consider this to be bad customer service, mainly because until money has been paid you are not a customer.
I personally do not advertise animals until they have hatched and are ready to be sold. What it appears to me that happened is that he advertised a price that he predicted the market would dictate, but he was wrong and chose to change his prices according to the actual market value. Granted he should have updated his price list accordingly but since you had not committed to the deal by actually making the deposit, he was still within his rights to change the price.
Aside from that though, I can't see putting down any deposit unless the snakes are available. The fact he will accept a deposit on snakes that may be spoken for bothers me more than the changing the price, and I can't understand why you as a buyer would be willing to send money for a deposit on snakes that might already be sold to someone else.
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07-22-2007, 04:59 PM
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Clay,
Thanks for the response. I disagree with your position though. As I stated in my first post, I understand he has a right to change his price. That isn't the issue. Maybe I have a higher expectation of customer service. It is just good business practice to honor an advertised price. I had already agreed to give him a deposit on the advertised price. To say, oh BTW, I want 50% more is not a way to treat a potential customer. If the price had already changed on his website and I complained that it was cheaper earlier in the year and wanted the previous price, then the situation would be entirely different. Think about if that happened in a retail store. It's as if I went to the cashier at a store and they said, "Sorry, but that item has now been marked up by 50%. We just haven't gotten around to changing the price tag." That wouldn't fly at a reputable retail business. This is more than about what a person can charge. It's more about the timing and treatment of your customers, potential or otherwise.
Another example: I go to a booth at a show and say I want that snake that you have marked for $200. The dealer then says, "Oh that one. Well I just saw someone sell the same snake for $300, so now that's what I want." Yah he can do that, but come on. That's just greedy and NOT good customer service. The proper thing to do would sell that snake for $200 and then remark the others for the higher price, if that's what he wants to do.
As far as the deposit on a possibly unavailable snake, well, sometimes you have to do that in order to reserve a rare snake to put yourself at the front of the line. He is unsure as to the availability, because one female has not laid yet...
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07-22-2007, 05:06 PM
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I agree. Although it is their personal choice to change the price at will, and sell for what they want to sell for, I dont think it is fair to wait till someone shows interested and go.. Ohh.. I bet I can get more for it.
I would be frustrated also. But unfortunately tis the way it seems to go these days. *sigh*
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07-22-2007, 05:24 PM
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IMO, if he was going to increase the price, you should have been made aware at first contact...not after you agree to send a deposit (at his request). It almost sounds as if production wasn't meeting demand.
Another thought: advertising 6 months in advance? I know you said it was his site, but still.
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07-23-2007, 08:16 AM
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My opinion is somewhat biased because I can relate to trying to keep an updated website along with maintaining a collection and the other day to day time requirements everyone has.
I'm as guilty as they come for not updating in a timely manner, especially the for sale section of the website. But this is why I wouldn't advertise anything in advance. I'm usually guilty of the opposite, not getting them advertised for weeks after they are ready for sale.
I do agree with Harald, he should have made mention of the intended price differential at the first contact. However, this is a no harm situation. While his actions have left a bad taste in your mouth for him as a seller, you weren't financially harmed in any way.
I understand your frustration, and would feel the same way if I were in that position, but I'd accept it and move on.
As for my statement on putting a deposit on potentially unavailable animals, the way I read your original post I was under the impression that this was not a potential clutch, but a pair of animals he had for sale that someone else has possibly spoken for.
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07-23-2007, 08:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clay Davenport
As for my statement on putting a deposit on potentially unavailable animals, the way I read your original post I was under the impression that this was not a potential clutch, but a pair of animals he had for sale that someone else has possibly spoken for.
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here is the initial statement:
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I email a breeder with the intention of being put on a wait list for a pair of snakes that have been advertised on his site for over six months. He tells me they may be spoken for, but I can put down a deposit in case a pair becomes available.
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My guess is that they were advertised as anticipated offspring, were produced, but possibly purchased (possibly not hatched yet but with tentative deposits - ie the waiting list you were initially anticipating), and you were given the option of placing a deposit in the hope that enough would be produced or otherwise acquired. Is that close to the situation?
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07-23-2007, 10:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hhmoore
here is the initial statement:
My guess is that they were advertised as anticipated offspring, were produced, but possibly purchased (possibly not hatched yet but with tentative deposits - ie the waiting list you were initially anticipating), and you were given the option of placing a deposit in the hope that enough would be produced or otherwise acquired. Is that close to the situation?
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That is correct!
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07-24-2007, 08:32 AM
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That's great! I'm glad you guys were able to work it out.
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07-23-2007, 08:34 AM
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I'm the same way, Clay. I started revisions to my site months ago - did the bulk of it in one night, and haven't touched it since. I have decided to make a number of animals available, but haven't listed most of them on my site. And available babies? LOL, I'm lucky if I get them added to my site before they are 4 months old, let alone advertising in advance. Then again, I don't produce huge quantities of animals, and know my luck better than to count on anything before I see it sitting there. Advance orders and deposits on anticipated animals are a fact of life for some people.
I think that the situation was likely a supply vs demand issue, or a matter of misjudging the market (which may or may not be the same thing). I also understand your frustration/resentment at not getting the advertised pricing...but as Clay mentioned, you are none the worse for the experience. Instead of putting a deposit on a possibility, you can continue your search.
Best of luck
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