Johathon at Breeders Circle saying his Citrus Pastel WO makes our Power House WO

Hi all, This is Clark Tucker from Power House Reptiles. I have been trying to make people aware for some time now that the animals that are popping up on the internet for sale with the label of Citrus Pastel Whiteout (ever since I made the first crazy wacked out whiteout mutations in 2010) are not animals that carry the gene for the actual Power House Whiteout mutation. This whole fiasco started with the production of a few very unique animals at my facility here in Alabama. Amir and John are saying, even though they cannot provide adequate proof that they are creating the same mutation, that the Citrus Pastel Whiteout will make the Power House Whiteout animals. This is inconclusive since they cannot verify it. Their inventory does not show it and we all know from previous listing that the animals do not show this mutation! Amir and John are presently trying to find pictures of animals that they claim is the mutation since they clearly have no proof that they have the gene. Here is confirmation that John is still trying to say that this Citris pastel will make the animals that we create here. I dont want to sound rude but that is a out and out lie!! I give them credit for making a nice looking pastel but as far as making the Power House Whiteout that is our cup of tea and I am not going to allow Amir to try and take credit were it is not due! The only reason I recieved this animal in the first place was because Amir owed us so much money and he could not pay me back so he recieved a animal in trade and gave it to me as partial trade. It was a 50 gram runt that looked like crap and I thought once again I had been screwed. Enough said here is John's response to a customer inquiring about this Whiteout line.
As everone can clearly see this animal looks nothing like the Power House Whiteout animals. Is it not in our nature people to brag about what we produce?? If he had made animals that were comaparable to the Power House Whiteout animals they would be all over the internet even if they were not for sale, correct?? Why did he have to buy Mike Bell's animal that is comparable to mine if he was making 10 or 20 clutches of this mutation a season?? If he was producing these mutatuions why are they not all over the internet??? He would be bragging for sure!

This is a Pm so it reads from the bottom up.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jonathan@breedingcircle.com>
To: ">
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Message about: 2011 Citrus whiteout spector female.


> here is a pic of an extreme whiteout calico pastel. This is not a super
> pastel, just a citrus whiteout calico. Best one produced to this day.
> The leopard crossed with it would be awesome. Citrus line of pastel is
> just amazing. That is why i work with them. No pastel line comes close in
> my opinion. Cant wait to see what kind of combos I will have this season.
>
>> Can you send me a picture of a actual whiteout? I am looking to get into
>> them as they seem to be a really nice line and is on the verge of being a
>> great mutation. I have a nice leopard I would like to take to a female!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <jonathan@breedingcircle.com>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: Message about: 2011 Citrus whiteout spector female.
>>
>>
>>> Hey,
>>> You have to try to ask your self where he got it from...
>>> Its funny that clark says that when... first of all he got that
>>> "powerhouse whiteout" from amir as a citrus calico. That is how his
>>> entire
>>> line was started. Amir had it deep in his collection already.
>>> The truth from the actual creator, Amir Soleymani and me being the
>>> person
>>> with the 2nd highest amount of citrus and citrus whiteout stuff is
>>> completely different than what he pans it out to be.
>>> He is just mad that amir wouldnt back him up when he created whiteout
>>> stuff from his citrus line.
>>> Non whiteout looking citruses have been throwing whiteouts and whiteouts
>>> throw out regular citruses. Amir called ALL of his citruses whiteouts.
>>> Right now Amir and I both think there is still a lot to learn about the
>>> gene its self. Clark couldnt possibly know what is going on from a
>>> couple
>>> clutches.
>>> Amir has had clutches in the 10's or the 20's/ I wonder who I would
>>> listen
>>> to first....
>>> Just my 2 cents on the matter. It is still a new gene with a lot more to
>>> learn.
>>> thanks
>>> Jonathan
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>>>> What is a whiteout exactly I have seen them popping up everywhere here
>>>> on
>>>> kingsnake and on fauna and now on world of ball pythons.
>>>> Clark from Clarks geckos and Powerhouse Reptiles has some really nice
>>>> ones and his are
>>>> guaranteed to be true I was wondering the difference?
>>>> As he states that some may be fake that
>>>> are being sold not saying that yours are!
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>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>> Breeder's Circle
>>> 786-973-3364
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>>

Here is the picture that was provided in the PM.



Amir and John show the Whiteout mutations that are comparable to mine or shut up because this is rediculous. I cannot believe on the Joe Ellis ad you actually put a picture of a nice Black Pewter and nice Cinnamon Pewter to try and trick people into thinking there was something to this Citrus line. Dont you dare show Mike Bell's animals and dont hesitate and try to find pictures that belong to other breeders that you can buy! I want to see animals RIGHT NOW that are in your collection that are comparable to my Power House mutations. If these animals exist, dont you people believe, that they would be visible everywhere on the internet and they would using those animals as their sales pitch but as of now they are using my animals as their sales pitch and that is my problem here!!!!! Joe said he would renter the story about Amir and the snake if people need to reqad it again since Joe Ellis has deleted the ad.

Good job John for updating your ads hiding all the fake spector, het puma and whiteouts. Too bad I copied all of those pictures off of your site before you could take them down.

Best regards,
Clark Tucker
www.powerhousereptiles.com
334-422-4246