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Old 03-25-2002, 04:20 AM   #1
Razor Reptiles
hello all,
spam_ spam_ spam_i am posting to make everyone aware of a possible scammer in our midst. his name is jared and he is out of las vegas. i responded to an add posted on kingsnake on 3/16 pertaining to a spam_female dh/snow boa that said "taking reasonable offers." when i read further into his ad it stated that he had no paperwork but, the genetics were verifiable through rainforest rarities. he also had no pic but stated in the ad that they would be available in a few days. i e-mailed him and told him that i was interested and to send me pics as soon as they were available. i asked him what is the price range he was looking at so that i could base my offer. he told me that he was looking to get a reasonable price out of her and again assured me that she was 100% dh/snow (i also asked him if he would guarantee the genetics himself had i not been able to do so via rainforest and he said yes). he tells me that someone else has expressed interest in her before me and i was next in line (i guess in a faultry attempt to get my money and run). i told him i was still interested and would get back him in a few days (enough time to verify if she was indeed a het). the next day he sent me pics and asks me if i still wanted her because he has a few more e-mails on her. in an instant message i again ask him what exactly is reasonable to him so he says $1000 and i counter offer him $750 to which he instantly caves in. this comes off as fishy to me (since baby hets go for twice that) and i tell him i will get back to him again. he e-mails again and my partner tells him we're going to take it so, immediately he posts it sold to us (on 3/19). meanwhile, i am still trying to get in touch with rainforest (which i later learn has gone out of business) to verify her. during my search for rainforest (a few days later on 3/23), i find that he has reposted her without contacting me. this time the animal is posted for $1000 stating that it was purchased from dembinski reptiles and again that the genetics were verifiable through rainforest. why wouldn't he have told me this to begin with? it could've saved me a lot of time (i guess he didn't realize that joe was still in business). i immediately contact and forward the pics to joe and tell him exactly what was going on. joe goes through his shipping and paypal records and can't find anything on jared. joe e-mailed him and jared proceeds to tell him that he did purchase the animal from him (6 mos. ago). joe checks his records again (going back as far as 12 mos.). interestingly enough, joe hasn't done business with kevin gall (owner of rainforest) in over 3 years and even then it wasn't for boas. since then, he (jared) has removed his posting and has not reposted since. i forgot to mention that when i called his house (and the answering machine picked up) the message said that i had reached the nolan(d) residence so, i am not sure if his last name is neufeld or nolan(d). since he is a kid and there were 2 other people mentioned on the answering machine (a man and a woman, who was reading the message) i am assuming they are his parents. if you do choose to do business with him don't say you weren't forewarned.
i think it is rather strange and outlandish that someone will have the audacity to post an animal for sale without pics or paperwork and guarantee it's genetics to a company that has since gone out of business. although we can not stop all potential theives and herp con artists it is very likely that we can band together and weed out amateurs (which, most are) and diminish their numbers to a distinct few. the herp community is a great group of people that i am proud to be associated with. there have been many obstacles in our way but, together in our many areas of concern (shipping, phobics, media, etc.), we can overcome, educate and inform to become stronger in the future. good luck, thank you and happy herping. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
regards,
ray martin
razor reptiles
razorreptiles@aol.com
 
 


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