Don't do bussines with Chris Roe ( [email protected] )

I made a deal with Chris and I send him 2 pardalis pardalis and he paid me money and send me a boa male.

let's start that he paid me with paypal, no problems I send him the pardalis pardalis no problem and he shipped me the boa the same day.

Well here start the problems, the boa got not delivered the next day witch was not his fault, I got the boa the second day, when I opened the box there was absolutely no insulation at all and he used one of this
6-7 hours hand warmers. We both shipped on the 20th of December and it was very cold at this time and the boa came in very and I mean very cold and live less.
I emailed him right away and told him the problem, he did not answer and emailed him again, finally he emailed back and told me he already had emailed me twice I had some problems with my email so it could be.
Any way after a couple of emails back and forth we agreed that he will send me $ 100.00 after the holidays.
I did not hear anything from him so I emailed him 2 times again beginning of January no answer, I emailed him the third time and told him if he would not pay or answer I would post here and on Turtle Times
Now he answered me and told me I am a brick and he would not pay. I emailed him back one more time telling him that I would post the whole thing here if he would not keep his word, well here is a copy of the last email from him today.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Chris Roe ( [email protected] ) Are you going to send me the $ 100.0 y...

im not paying you! and you'll be seeing me SOON!!!!!!


I am sure he has my address because he shipped to me.

It is not a big deal but I think every body here should know about him and how he does business and keeps his word.

The Boa is still alive and has no respiratory problems anymore but he is still not eating. I have put allot of work and money ( vet and medication ) in the animal and I am not asking to get this money back I just wanted the
$ 100.00 we agreed on.

Just think about this before you deal with him.

George Ullman
Turtle World USA
Don't do bussines with Chris Roe ( [email protected] )

So why did you two agree on him sending you the $100? Is that for the vet bills?

I am curious as to the threat, or maybe he is planning on handing you the money in person.

Michael,
here are the emails how the $ 100.00 came about

----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: P. Pardalis


i replyed to you twice already, if your email did not get it that5s not my fault!

First off, that boas was bought for 500$ as a baby, plus 400$ thats 900 i basically gave you for your torts, second, that boa was in perfect health when sent, had a meal day before i shipped, also, i was rushed to send him that day, all my herp orders went out that day b4 one for holidays, and i sent him overnight, he should of arrived yeasterday! not my fault..... what are you tring to say? im not refunding anything, i may consider paying you anouther hundred, maybe....

here is my reply

okay, here is the deal, first I don't know why I did not get your other emails, I just tell you I did not get any other responds from you till this one.

I am not sure what you are trying to say, we had an agreement that I sell you two pardalis pardalis for
$ 400.00 and the boa, I shipped you the two hatchlings they arrived next day and I guess healthy and in good shape because I never got any respond to my shipment.

I was in Miami on Wednesday and talking to my wife on and off all day if the snake arrived, it did not.
On Thursday the snake arrived, very very cold because you only used a cardboard box no insulation and a heat pack I never saw before, but it looks like something you use for your gloves or pockets and this things are only good for a few hours.
I shipped you the turtles in a styro insulated box with two heatpacks because of the weather and I think this is the way to ship animals at this time of the year.

The male boa I have now is blowing bubbles and is not moving much at all, I am treading him, but I am not sure if he will make it.

You wanted to ship the snake that day, the deal we have has nothing to do with what you paid for the animal or what you think it is worth, by the way you offered the animal for $ 250.00 or even wanted to take $ 200.00 on TT.

I don't want to get in a fight about this with you, but because of the condition of the snake I did not get what we agreed on.

If you are willing to send me $ 100.00 like you suggested I will be satisfied with this no matter what happened to the snake, I still hope he will make it but I don't realy think so.
you can use my paypal account like you did with our payment.

George
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here is his reply

----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: P. Pardalis


ok but after the holidays agreed?

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I hope this answers your question

Well about handing me the money in person
first if you read the email he send me today it reads



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Chris Roe ( [email protected] ) Are you going to send me the $ 100.0 y...

im not paying you! and you'll be seeing me SOON!!!!!!

He is in California and I am in Florida I don't see him comming over here
and handing me the $ 100.00
but he is welcome to do so

George Ullman
Turtle World USA

Anyone else note that he fed the boa the day before he shipped him as well?? Not a good idea in itself...but shipping it in December, with no insulation and a 6 hour handwarmer for heat?? And last but definitely not least, the threat?

Wow..definitely someone to put on my "never do business with" list. (I'm going to have to start an actual file system soon)

I guess you're lucky you at least got the boa alive....and if that's all the more he cares about his critters, the boa is probably lucky to be out of there.

Hope the animal continues to improve and starts eating for you soon.

Have you notified him of this thread?

Terese,
I did not mention that he feed the boa the day before, because I relay don't think he did, the animal did not regurgitate and did not defecate till now. When I got the Boa he did not look like he had a meal a day before.
But I have to say the animal had good weight when I got him. But you are right if he relay did he should have not shipped the animal in the first place.
I emailed him a link from here and TT

George Ullman
Turtle World USA

This is a email I got from Chris today

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: (no subject)

You know what, im sorry for what happened, i relize now i over reacted, yes the posts are truthfull, i dont have your money unfortunatly, very tight with bills since the first, but when i get it, i will send it to you anyway, just because its the right thing, well ill ttyl.....

-Chris

I hope he is means what he writes and this whole thing will be straightend out in a little while. I don't have a problem to wait a while for his payment.
I will come back and let everybody know how it worked out.

George Ullman
Turtle World USA

here is a update on Chris and his prommise to pay me the $ 100.00

My email on Feb.19th


Hi Chris,

I am wondering when you can send me the $ 100.00 we agreed on?

I is now quite a while



George

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his reply today

i lost sales due to your emails, & posts, so i dont think i should.......
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this is my reply today

Okay here is the deal, your last email was a apology and you told me you will send the money as soon as you can.

Now you telling me you will not pay me the $100.00



If I don’t have the money in my account by tomorrow morning I will post again and I am sure you will loose more business and your reputation will be damaged even more, I promise you I will post every month just to remind people what to expect when they deal with you.



You can call me a brick again, but if you don’t keep up your end of the deal I will call you a liar and a thief.



George
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and here is his reply right back to me

you know what now ur threatening me, hahah go ahead post, you'll never get your Money, & ill be down in fl next month, ill stop bye & say hello!!!!! ohh & internet threats of any sort are illegal, im filing yours......

-Chris

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just make up your own mind if you ever want to do bussines with this guy.

George Ullman
Turtle World USA

What the ..? He's calling your 'threat' to call him a liar and thief if he doesn't hold up his end of the bargain.. illegal? Meanwhile, twice now he's made veiled threats that he will visit your home?

Well, I hope he reads this thread and realizes that if he would've just kept his word, people probably would have said "oh well, sometimes things do get heated, at least he did the right thing in the end after all". Not now, after changing his mind a few times!! Sounds to me like he just doesn't have the $$ he said he'd pay you.

First of all.... If he fed that Boa the day before he shipped it, and it was that cold in the box, George would have found a regurgitated rat in the bag....

Secondly, if you know George, this dude better be a BIG BOY if he wants to follow through with his threats.... lol

George, posting this was a good idea, but you should probably just drop it now, and take care of your boa.... you'll never see any money from this guy.... it will end up being a lesson in futility....

Neil

turtle world said:

he shipped me the boa the same day.

Well here start the problems, the boa got not delivered the next day witch was not his fault, I got the boa the second day,

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I am curious George...what was the reason for the 24 hour additional delay and why wasn/t it his fault?

John,
DHL delivered the second day, he shipped next day.

here are the last emails

ok well bye george, ill ttyl, make sure everyone knows how yuo rip ppl off, & how rude, judgemental you are, make sure you put this one up too.....

-Later
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and a minute later this one

ohhh n by the way i dont do herps nemore, i lied the posts dont hurt meh....

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if he is really out of herps this is a good thing, but who knows if this is true

Neil, I only will post again if I see him selling or wanting to buy herps again

George Ullman
Turtle World USA

Another member let me know that labeling reptiles as to content, in common and latin names, is a U.S. lacey act law, so it covers any boxes no matter who they are shipped through; USPS, UPS, Fed-ex, Delta etc.

Lauren,
I am not sure what this has to do with Chris not keeping his word.

George Ullman
Turtle World USA

I had asked if he at least labelled the USPS box correctly.

Whoops! my apologies. No wonder you didn't know what I was talking about - I think I posted in the wrong thread. Sorry about that.

Suncoast Herpetological said:

I am curious George...

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And I'm the man in the yellow hat....LOL

I agree with Neil completely...
It does appear to be a lesson in futility...and over $100...not worth the time and money you will have to put into collecting it.

Glad you brought it to the BOI...just in case he gets back into herps...or never left in the first place...seems like scammers constantly say they left...but never do...always in the shadows lurking.

Glad the boa lived...and being a boa...I would think it will eat...out of all my snakes...the boas are like clockwork...they never refuse to eat...

Now if I could jsut get my BPs to feel the same way everything would be perfect...LOL