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Field Collecting/Observing Sightings of herps in the wild, where-tos and how-tos, as well as photos of herps in their native environment.

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Old 07-20-2003, 09:41 AM   #1
EdExotics
FL local ball pythons

Subject: Florida local Ball Pythons?(LOL)

Hello All,
I was out herping the other night in some pretty remote areas of
Central Florida. I was in a new area that I never had herped before,
driving all the dead ends down there, lol. I'm coming across a lot of water and
garter snakes with some corns, rats, muds, etc. The usually common stuff for
Florida I guess.

At the end of one road, I come to a four way. I take a right and within
the first minute on this road I see a good size snake in the middle of the dirt
road. Now even though this is a remote area, I'm still assuming right away
that this animal is a DOR which 90% of any animal on the roads down there are
with the way these idiots drive.
Anyway, at first glance I see a brownish/greenish snake with a light
belly from a good distance away. As coming up closer on it, I can see it's a
good 4' long and I can make out a pattern to her. Now within around 20-30
feet, I'm thinking gotta be a cottonmouth. Nope!!! Looks like a damm
anaconda. No wait, a ball python?

I finally come up on her and yes it is. A good 4' big female Ball python in
immaculate condition. Only in Florida, lol...
Now either this girl got away or some idiot released her. Either way,
she was nice and healthy and still alive on a FL road which is Nothing more
you can ask for with any animal Especially with reptiles. I still stop at the
DOR's just to make an identity of that species in an area and sometimes still
photograph it. Now since this girl should have never been released, she is
in quarantine and will be added to my ball breeding groups.

I wish these people would use their heads more when it comes to animals... I
still believe these pet shops still make a big difference in what people
think.
I'm still on the "Iguana with permit only" & "No burmese sales, etc." in pet
shops. I don't believe the pet stores are anywhere knowledgeable enough with
these animals and their outcomes to let people know what it is that animal
requires & what their actually getting into. I've heard people trying to give
them back to pet stores or humane societies but they don't take or want a lot of
reptiles. That's another problem!!! People their are people or societies
out there for reptiles. YOU HAVE TO FIND THEM!!! There not gonna come knocking
on your door... It's not that easy, Sorry. This is not the pet store or
idiot that sold you it.

How do you explain this to people when you don't know your self the
drastic consequences!!! It's all about the money people!!! That's the Truth,
plain and simple!!! It reminds me of some reptile people in the industry that
will do anything for a buck. It's pretty sad when the animals pay the
price!!!

It's either another dead animal(s) or even and most often Helping in the
destruction of that species in the wild!!! I know, I've worked with some of
them. I've seen some pretty nasty stuff come in and being done to animals. I
don't care who you are, If you really care for animals, You can only turn
your head so much until it gets to you!!!
I worked for a place in New England for about 5 months and my worst
times working for that place was going outside to throw something away in the
garbage and seeing all the dead animals from that day that actually were
noticed. That garbage man must have had a heart condition after seeing that week
after week.
(O' Wait, like most people, they don't even see these animals, lol...) No,
I'm sure he did with big lizards and burms, etc., not to mention all the
cats in the city were there.

People, If you see something wrong or don't agree with something. Don't
Support It!!!
Over the years I've spent in the animal industry I've seen a lot of people
come out.
Most have good intentions, they really do. Others are just looking for that
quick buck in any shape or form. Like with anything. If it is to good to be
true, chances are It probably is... Don't get me wrong. There are some
really good animals out there for a really good price. You will see some good
people that just want to move something for a reason and willing to take a loss.
But don't go out looking for this as you will loose in your favor, I'm sure
of it.

Like almost any industry, Most sell their products with the assumption on
their price will cover their coast, labor, useless merchandise, shipping,
housing, etc....
There is a lot to it when buying and selling especially when doing it right.
It's mind boggling a lot of the time. I was doing a lot more sales with
shows and mail order than now but I just really can't handle it with the amount of
animals I'm currently working with. I just don't have the time or room to
buy a hundred or couple hundred animals Just to sit on for sale. That's where
you basically get your price break with suppliers but it is pretty over
overwhelming.

I remember the first really big order I had. I ordered 2,000 ball pythons
and some other snakes and turtles. Man, It was nuts for that order unpacking
and going threw everyone one by one even though I already had everyone's
enclosure ready when I placed the order...
I had the opportunity to make a little profit on the animals for sale
but I did get my order screwed up (like burger king, lol) and animals with
problems. Now granted This supplier made good on my credits but, I still had
these animals that I can't move in my position and that I'm caring for. Not a
good thing when you have a ton of stuff going on...It's not like the supplier
wanted them back. Why would he? To be in the same predicament I'm in?
Now I don't mind keeping a healthy animal that has no years taken off
their life from a deformity. I have a few like this I use for breeding or
shows. It gives this animal a sure thing for survival and someone that can look
past a knob tail, or scar.
I'm a breeder anyway so If I can produce a captive born animal from any Legal
animal
to populate it's kind and/or populate the captive born industry, and maybe
at least help pay to keep this animal, I'm all for it...

Well, now that I am completely off my initial subject, lol I'm gonna close
with this...

People good luck with all your animals and do what you feel is right. If you
need reassurance, ask around. Please, Please get a second or third
opinion.

Good luck and thanks to all
Thanks,
Ed Rainforest's Exotics


Rainforest's Exotics
 
Old 08-04-2003, 10:40 AM   #2
MJS77
I have come across some strange critters in the past. Animals that I or friends of mine have found on highways and various other open ranges include red tails, burmese pythons, iguanas, savannah monitors, a nile monitor, a retic, a red tegu and so on. All of the animals, excluding the burms and the retic, were full grown adults.
None of them were ever animals, as far as we knew, that had been reported missing or stolen, which tells me that they are simply released when people have no 'use' for them anymore.
Sad....

Anyways, good luck with that ball!
 

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