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What is it - Tiliqua scincoides intermedia ?

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What is this ?
Tiliqua scincoides intermedia ?:shrug01:

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Best regards from Germany

Dirk
 
They are not northerns.

They are Indonesian Blue Tongue's.

I have seen the top pic called a hypo.
 
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When you say skinks are Indonesian are you referring to any skink fro the Indonesian Islands or are you meaning the Indonesian blue tongue skink (Tiliqua gigas gigas)?

If you are referring to a skink which came from Indonesia, then I would agree with you partially. However, if you are referring to T. gigas gigas species, these skinks are not the Indonesian Blue tongue skink.

I will say that the last picture does appear to be the Irian Jaya species (Tiliqua species). However, the ones in the top picture are a clear example of a Northern/Irian Jaya cross.

Tiliqua scincoides intermedia or the Northern blue tongue has what is common referred to as black portholes along the side of its body. these portholes are between the stripes/banding on he back. The Irian Jaya species lacks these port holes as well as all the other skinks from Indonesia (Indonesians, Meraukes, and Kei Islands). When a Northern is crossed with an Irian Jaya, these portholes start to become connected and form a line. This is very noticeable in the patternless skink pictured as well as several of the others in that picture.

Also, another indicator could be the stripes on the tails. The Irian Jayas have very neat and clean banded tails. Northerns on the other hand are quite the opposite. The bands start to break up as you move down the tail.

I can guarantee that the skinks pictured above are NOT Tiliqua gigas gigas (Indonesian blue tongue skink) but I am going to assume that these skinks are Northern and Irian Jaya crosses.
 
No they are not Gigas, more than likely Irian Jaya Blue Tongue Skinks.

I would not venture a guess on them being crosses as I have seen too much variation in the Irian Jaya's.
 
Yes there is a lot of variation in Irian Jayas, which is why they are still not classified and just known as Tiliqua species. However, I have yet to see any Irian Jaya or gigas species to have the port holes that the scincoides have.
 
It is hard to say with 100% accuracy. However, if I had to make a call based on the color, pattern, body structure, and the fact that these are in Germany, I would say these were Irian Jaya/Centralian (multifaciata) crosses. Just my thoughts.
 
That being said, I can see some intermedia traits in the patterning as well. It is really impossible to tell for sure what these are for sure other than hybrids of some kind or another...
 
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