Pamela Of extremeexotics@yahoo.com

I'd say so....I had actually talked to him about his "het albinos" and he couldnt even figure out the correct percentage so I left that alone...but now twice he didnt get my money.

Levi good on ya buddy.... Could you post a few emails that you received from her so that some of the experts here can take a look at her spelling and verbage to see if these two might be one and the same?? Randy

wish you would've asked a few hours earlier...I thought I was done with them...I'll go through later and look to see if I can find any but I'm pretty sure they're deleted.

Originally Posted by ravensgait

Levi good on ya buddy.... Could you post a few emails that you received from her so that some of the experts here can take a look at her spelling and verbage to see if these two might be one and the same?? Randy

I've talked to both the dimwhits, They are not the same person..

Originally Posted by levi987

ok so I posted a few minutes ago and it didnt show up so I'll sum it up...I dont know either of these two...please feel free to check IP addresses...I can give references to people I know personally. I've never even been to MASS. but I can see why you would think that because it did seem like I was sticking up for her. I have proven her to either be fraudulant or ship illeagally. fedex has no record of her, they told me they could look closer with an account number. when I asked for this information she said she didnt have one and didnt have to be a verified shipper with fedex she just wrote "perrishable" on the package. illegal. then she told me she sometimes ships with UPS. at any ups store they package it for you and do not ship animals whatsoever.

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I apoligise. I was unaware that ups does ship some animals. that was what I was told by a member of my family that owns a ups store...I should have researched that myself. but the fact remains that it was a Ball Python in question (which is a snake for those of us who do not know lol) and it clearly states that snakes are not to be shipped through ups venemous or non. so still illegal. so yes you were correct that ups does ship SOME animals, but I was also correct in saying that it is illegal to ship snakes through ups per their website.

Actually Levi, to be precise, it is not "illegal" it is a violation of their Terms of Service

true but my point remains the same.

Well guys I think I have been scammed after reading the numerous posts here.

Pamala and I have been corresponding via email and by phone with regards to a proposed trade for 06 pied male and a 07 pied female for my breedable bumblebee male and a breedable female pastel. Pictures of all ball pythons where exchanged via email and we agreed to ship on the same date 7/12/07 for next day delivery. The agreement was to email and call verifying packages were shipped. Which she assured me she would do. I emailed her tracking number immediately. I waited and did not hear from her today. I have called all numbers previously posted and could not get a hold of her. I did manage to speak to John and he indicated that she was at DHL shipping my package and that she would be back shortly. My wife called DHL, UPS, and FedEx - no delivery were in route from her zip to my zip code. I am learning a valuable lesson.

I have taken part in a lot of trades over the years and this is a first. She pulled that old you ship first business. That should have been my first clue. I give people the benefit based on my experience with other breeders I have not been worried about being scammed. I've met some great herpers for the first time doing trades.

My only advise to other is to learn from other peoples mistakes (mine), if possible. In this case stay away from Pamela on any future dealings. I may be out quite a bit of cash and time on this transaction. I will have to see what recourse I have with the Brockton, MA police department.

I have multiple emails backing up what has been written above. What gets me is I had to reassure Pamela that I was a reputable breeder and could be trusted.

I guess you live and learn.

Dwayne Bulat
www.ddreptiles.com

You can still call your shipper and have the package returned to you.