Witblits dragons - true patternless beardies

hhmoore I will move to the boi i guess if i need to say anything else.My apologies.I wasn't aware this was boi material since it is a discussion about animal health and not a business or monitary complaint or someone getting ripped off.It is really a discussion about husbandry and breeding.not a bad business deal or a bad guy/good guy thread.

I'm also kind of confused about the warnings. I see things getting a little heated here, but its all about a new morph, its health, the reasons it might not be healthy, and its all in a thread about the morph. People aren't aloud to talk about such things?

Jay you have not answered my questions: "Your animals are riddled with issues and alot of them have failed to thrive." What are the issues? How many have not thrived?

Size is not the issue here. The breeders in Europe is quite happy with their size. Seems the Americans prefer bigger beardeds. Wild beardeds are much smaller than the US stock and they aren't runts. It is called natural selection! So small Witblits realy isn't the issue. So tell me, what is their issues?
I am going to start the list here. Since they are riddled with issues I am sure you should be able to list at least five. I will start the list, and for 'completeness sake' I'll add size to the list...

THE WITBLITS DRAGONS RIDDLED WITH PROBLEMS LIST
1) Adult weight of under 500 gram
2) slow growing
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Once we get to ten reasons (which I think is a fair amount for the term riddled) then I will stop the Witblits project!

Jay. Please take your time reading.

This is from our website:
"Our future projects will be:

1) blizzard white patternless dragons

2) leatherback witblits dragons

3) super orange and red patternless dragons

4) solid black bearded dragons"

Note the word FUTURE in there. This is what we would like to take on somewhere in the future. I have never marketed or called any of our dragons leatherback. That is why I said reduced scales. I never called it a leatherback.

josh, you should tell us more about that dragon you posted the picture of. I've seen that picture before. I thought it was a either a silverback (because I've seen the picture of your silver with smaller brown spots), or some kinda paradox witblit (sense you seem to produce a lotta parodox). They say a picture speaks a thousands words, but that doesn't mean a few words about the picture wouldn't help :P

wasting away

death

infertility

skin problems(like Josh's picture)

and so on...

let it go man. You said future projects include leatherback,then you said you can't get leatherbacks because imports aren't allowed. You also said you won't participate in such actions as smuggling but I guess you don't have a problem buying offspring from smuggled animals. it's really the same thing.

anyway I don't really care.I just know there are issues and charging $5000.00 for animals that grow slow and have stunted growth is outrageous. your reaction really says it all.

JMP i think the posting of a witsblits with serious skin issues by Josh that is now dead speaks plenty. i don't really want to push the envelope with the mods so I don't know what I can or can't say without getting into trouble. I saw the first witzblits that came into the U.S. they are now dead.Other folks animals are dead.Others after being babied to get them to adulthood won't breed. These are animals in the care of the most highly regarded dragon keepers in the world so you know it is not husbandry related.

Mr O'dell, how many times have you actually out crossed this new morph? or is this the first generation?

Originally Posted by btmexotics

wasting away

death

infertility

skin problems(like Josh's picture)

and so on...

let it go man. You said future projects include leatherback,then you said you can't get leatherbacks because imports aren't allowed. You also said you won't participate in such actions as smuggling but I guess you don't have a problem buying offspring from smuggled animals. it's really the same thing.

anyway I don't really care.I just know there are issues and charging $5000.00 for animals that grow slow and have stunted growth is outrageous. your reaction really says it all.

JMP i think the posting of a witsblits with serious skin issues by Josh that is now dead speaks plenty. i don't really want to push the envelope with the mods so I don't know what I can or can't say without getting into trouble. I saw the first witzblits that came into the U.S. they are now dead.Other folks animals are dead.Others after being babied to get them to adulthood won't breed. These are animals in the care of the most highly regarded dragon keepers in the world so you know it is not husbandry related.

screw that! I've been following this morph from the beginning(online observations only), and thought much about dropping thousands to buy one. If the mod doesn't like this thread, he shouldn't buy one. Seriously. If the morph is weak, it should be said. Sorry fuana, but people need to know whats what! It was a ridiculous warning in imo. What I really want to know is, has anyone other than Jacques actually hatched a witblit out of an egg? I mean anyone? Anywhere? on the planet?

btw, Jay, after some pms with Jacques tonight is sounds like he wants to sue you for slander. hahahaha