Avangel Geckos

Originally Posted by Pasodama

Perhaps he means that, since another gene was added, it makes them genetically different than just a regular Mack Snow. Not that it is a different Snow gene than Mack.
In that case, he would be correct in that a Mack, with a another added gene, would be genetically different than a regular Mack Snow (without this other gene). Plus, it is understandable that a multi-gene (in homozygous &/or dominant form) animal would/could look different than a single gene morph.
However, if this is what he means, he needs to do a better job at clarifying that his line are Mack Snows with another gene added (and, from there, line bred if it applies).

As far as anyone knows is there a dominant gene out there that affects the same chromosome that snow does?

Originally Posted by bmr1052

How is it not mack still? I was under the impression that to get snow there has to be 1 copy of that gene to affect the chromosome. If he doesn't bring Mack back into but is still using the same offspring that was generated by the original Mack, the genetics are still Mack.

Good question. I'm sure someone who works with macks more will be able to tell us. I do know that when I bred gem snows x line bred snows, some would hatch looking gem and some would hatch looking like line bred snows. Not quite the same thing though.

The only reason I posted here is because I feel that he is intentionally misrepresenting his animals. He claims to have knowledge of genetics yet in his email he asks " well why can't mine be line bred then? ". I answered him that he is producing super snows and line breds to line breds cannot produce supers. And if he understands genetics and still misrepresents them, what else am I to think other than he is misleading?

Is the mack snow a codominant gene?

I, for one, would love to know if theres some other kind of dominant "snow like" gene out there. Ive never heard of one. Id like to know what specifically the other dominant morph was he used. That would certainly be something one would want to know if your buying a gecko for a breeding project. Theres a lot of muddy water out there.

Id buy the "new line" arguement if he jst started years ago with two lighter "normal" geckos and selectively bred for a lighter and lighter color until he came up with a white and black animal. Similar to tangerines, etc. But starting off with a known co-dom snow and some other mystery dominant gene doesnt give me a lot of confidence. Even if he outcrossed for years.

Originally Posted by bmr1052

intentionally

That's the magic word. Was it intentional or does he not understand or is he trying too hard to keep the project under wraps? I'd really like to hear from him. Maybe he just needs some coaching or a mentor?

Originally Posted by DesertRat73

This should have been an informational thread imo, and not a bad guy thread. No one has been defrauded as yet. Has he been informed of the thread so he can respond here?

I agree. How about if I try again, to invite him to the thread?

If it's a dominant gene then it doesn't matter how much he out breeds it, the dominant gene would still be Mac snow.

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

If it's a dominant gene then it doesn't matter how much he out breeds it, the dominant gene would still be Mac snow.

co-dominant

Okay. Co-dominant. I have a hard time with co-dominant genes. Would my statement above still hold true with co-dominant genes?

Originally Posted by Lucille

How about if I try again, to invite him to the thread?

He just answered my email, and says when he gets home from work (around 1PM PST) he will respond to the thread.