Has any one done bussiness w/ Bob Sloan - Del Rio,Tx.

Well, here is the latest email from Bob;

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Sloan
To: HomeGrownHerps
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Re: speckled patternless bullsnakes


JIm

Clearly you are a total idiot as I thought. You are also a lousy reptile dealer. You seldom answer your e-mails, you run ads offering trades but never respond when contacted about them and then you back out when it comes time to deal. You are a FUCKUP !

You agrreed toi the trade. There is nothing wrong with the greeri I sent to you. She is flawless and exactly what I told you she is. She feeds voraciously every time offered.

YOU made the mistake by not answering me on the shipping qiestion and now to cover your own ass, you want to back out of the deal. That is fine with me because I do not want to deal with a dumbass like you anyway. You have three options:

1.) Ship the bullsnakes with the charges due to me.

2.) Return the greeri and my $50 at YOUR expense - you made the decision and MISTAKE - not ME.

3.) Pay me $150 for the greeri and return my $50 cash I sent as part of the deal.

You can sit there in Florida and think I will never be there or see you in person, Many others have thought the same thing. They were WRONG and so are you. It might be tomorrow, next week or next year, BUT REST ASSURED - you and I will have a face to face if you rip me off on this deal. And you will loose 100 times what you think you may have gained. Once you have lost EVERYTHING - you will wish you had just decided NOT to fuck me. I will take everything you own and care about and there is not one motherfucking thing you can do about it until AFTER you'vre lost it all. By the end of today I will know where you live, the license plate numbers of your vehicles, the names of the people living in your house, where you work., your credit background and you criminal history. I will also file a civil suit here in Texas and it will go onto your credit report with either TransAmerica and Experian because I have accounts with both. At the very least I will win the civil suit because you WILL NOT show up here in Texas to defend it. I will get a judgement and file it with all the credit reporting agencies. Both are nation wide. I also have many friends in the Jacksonville area and will have a picture of your house by the end of this week. You've got 48 hours to complete this deal or life as you know it will turn to shit real soon. Bank on it pal.

And my response was this;


Here's the reality of it, not the fantasy game your rolling around in your head;

I contacted the local P.D. in your area as well as mine.
Charges have been filed, against you for the threats you have made.
The emails containing those threats have been printed and given to the police.

Now with that said, here is what needs to take place for this transaction to be complete.
When and if they snake gets delivered, I will set it up and give it water.
You will NOT be getting any snakes from me, and you will not be getting any money from me.
If you want this snake back, you will have to send me money to cover the shipping cost (postal money order only).
I charge a flat rate of $50.00
You will also have to re-reimburse me for the total I will have to pay when the delivery is made.
There will also be a $3.00 per week feed/maintenance fee added the total, so take your time.
If it does not get resolved in a timely manner, the snake will be sold to recover my lost expenses.

When (and only when) that money is paid, I will then return the snake you shipped out to me with out getting
a shipping confirmation before doing so, from me.


Thank You
Jim Keenan
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Sorry , I forgot to censor his language.

I would report the situation to the police and just send his snake back. Take it as a lesson and cut the loss.

Mark

Originally Posted by vidusa

I would report the situation to the police and just send his snake back. Take it as a lesson and cut the loss.

Mark

As it mentions in the post above, it has already been reported to the police.
And at this point I haven't lost anything. I will not refuse the delivery, because I do not want to see a snake killed because of his stupidity.

Theres no reason for an unnecessary loss of the snake, if it can be avoided.

Lemme see if I got this straight here...

You agreed to a deal, either not knowing or not caring who he was and what his reputation is.

He sends the snake.

While the snake is in transit, you decide you don't want to complete the transaction.

You've now issued him a set of ultimatums about how the snake that was sent is going to be dealt with, giving him a number of options, all of which end up costing him extra expenses or losing him the animal.

He may be a scumbag, but you're proposing to steal from him. And that's not okay, even if your victim is a bad guy.

By the end of today I will know where you live, the license plate numbers of your vehicles, the names of the people living in your house, where you work., your credit background and you criminal history. I will also file a civil suit here in Texas and it will go onto your credit report with either TransAmerica and Experian because I have accounts with both.

John, if he does have accounts with Experian and TransAmerica?? (Thought is was TransUnion) He could loose them pretty fast by playing these kind of games. You may consider sending a copy of that email along with contact information to their customer service department.

Originally Posted by Seamus Haley

Lemme see if I got this straight here...

You agreed to a deal, either not knowing or not caring who he was and what his reputation is.

He sends the snake.

While the snake is in transit, you decide you don't want to complete the transaction.

You've now issued him a set of ultimatums about how the snake that was sent is going to be dealt with, giving him a number of options, all of which end up costing him extra expenses or losing him the animal.

He may be a scumbag, but you're proposing to steal from him. And that's not okay, even if your victim is a bad guy.

Seamus, I agree 100% that if Jim changed his mind in the middle of the deal, he should simply return the snake (and any monies) at his own expense.

One little detail, though. Jim states that Bob went ahead and shipped the snake BEFORE he was given the final "go ahead" to do so.

The Tactic is like a Pushy Car salesman.......Thats why you Refuse the
Shipment......You didn't authorize the shipment?........If you think for moment
.....Bobby boy will refuse his ($50 Bucks in the Box)......HaHa Nice try....

Steer Clear of this Queer(Not being used as a gay slur either)....HaHa...

Originally Posted by jsrocket

One little detail, though. Jim states that Bob went ahead and shipped the snake BEFORE he was given the final "go ahead" to do so.

Enough of a "go ahead" to have a shipping address. Could go either way I guess, we haven't seen enough emails discussing the transaction to really make a determination about how firm the shipping arrangements may have been.

Even if he did ship the snake a bit early, to the shipping address he was clearly given at some point, I'm not seeing how that makes it okay to hold his animal hostage for weekly maintenence fees or to threaten to resell it.

Originally Posted by Seamus Haley

Lemme see if I got this straight here...

You agreed to a deal, either not knowing or not caring who he was and what his reputation is.

He sends the snake.

While the snake is in transit, you decide you don't want to complete the transaction.

You've now issued him a set of ultimatums about how the snake that was sent is going to be dealt with, giving him a number of options, all of which end up costing him extra expenses or losing him the animal.

He may be a scumbag, but you're proposing to steal from him. And that's not okay, even if your victim is a bad guy.

NO

First of all he sent the snake w/o confirming shipping with me.
He was supposed get a confirmation from me before shipping, to make sure I would be available to receive delivery.
He sent me an email last night letting me know he shipped the snake and gave me a tracking number. And also informed me he shipped it C.O.D. , if he emailed before shipping letting me know how it was being shipping I would not have agreed to it.

And how do figure I am stealing from him?
I never said anywhere that he couldn't have the animal back , but the cost of him getting it back will not be at my expense.