Bad Guy Mythical Dragonz - Stay Away! - Page 2

12-27-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sporty_live

Tom, will forward copies of the receipts to you (and to anyone else that wants them)

Mike, Im was only requesting the vet bill, for how much was spent and the date you took the dragon to the vet. I know the situation as you explained it to me. I was just doing this for the rest.

. If you could get a copy of the vet bill an post it, that would be great.

Also wanted to mention, the vet I have always taken my animals to is an exotic-only vet in Indianapolis. www.allwildthingsexotic.com. Dr. Breitweiser received her DVM from Purdue and has been handling exotics for 20 years.

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Originally Posted by sporty_live

And yes, Steven exists. At least it was a male I spoke with. Hard to come down hard on the guy when this was clearly Nicole all the way. He didnt seem to know there was an issue. All I could hear was Nicole chirping in his ear in the background. Still astounded to how she could send an email basically stating Steven was controlling everything, that I had spoken to him on several occassions and that I never spoke to Nicole, for him to get on the phone and without hesitation state we had never spoken before.

I used the word Pathetic earlier. Would also add disgusting.

This is probably her grand father responding / standing up for her. He probably seemed lost because he didnt know what was going on. She threw the phone in his lap, and started rambling in his other ear.

My best advise is dont let it get you down. I know it was money spent that you shouldn't of. Except it for a loss an let it go. Think of it this way. You spent more than you wanted/expected. But you got the dragon you wanted, you saved a dragon from a unhealthy living conditions, and you nursed it back to health. You are a good person Mike.

12-27-2010, 07:56 PM

Ok Mr. Mike:

We all make mistakes, but it is what we do after we make them that makes the difference. Recieved shipment on the 7th, emailed on the 11th and then by the 21st things were all bad news from you?????

As for the shipment notification, it is tough to play back phone calls regarding this issue.

How much time needs to pass for a dragon to become ill, especially when near another sick dragon. Seems to me that if this dragon was as sick as you say it would have been noticable right away after the inital stress of shipping. As for the vet visit just how does one prove that the shipped dragon is the one taken to vet and not your own sick creature.

Below is a copy of the original mail sent to you Mike, which I guess you found unsatisfactory.

Sorry we do not take any reptiles back. All i can tell you is she was in perfect health here shes never been sick nor had a parasite issue all of our dragons are clean and healthy. Id never sell a sick dragon, i will give you the benefit of the doubt once we have more babies here I will send you a nice one to make up for any trouble i am expecting a clutch within the week. I do not ship before they are 6 weeks though, there will be some nice double hets that are not leather back trans or silk back. I will let you know when they hatch i was hoping it would be before christmas not sure it will happen though.

It is sure easy to do what one thinks is right for a situation and because it's outcome is less than desired turn the blame elsewhere.

The reality is that we all have partners of some kind or other. Not all people will get along with one another on every situation but some causes bring people together, for the good.

Thank You,
Steven Walker

12-27-2010, 08:02 PM

You know what, Mr. Walker (supposedly)?

I want to know what breeder in their right mind would ship an animal in that weather. I do not care of a buyer demands it. You do not ship animals when you are putting them in danger. That is irresponsible and, frankly, sickening.

Looks like you're learning a lot from Nicole in terms of blaming everyone else and not taking responsibility for yourself.

I also find TOS where animals are not accepted back ridiculous. Clearly, you knew something was wrong with the animal.

12-27-2010, 08:05 PM

I think that is Nicole, using her boyfriend "Steven's" name as an alternate account.

That's what I think.

12-27-2010, 08:13 PM

Nicole,

I have already proven that Steven is not involved in this so please don't portray your emails as coming from him. He has never spoken to me (which he confirmed in our phone conversation). If anyone would like to call him, the number is 716-479-5220. I feel justified in posting this phone number as it is the number I took off the ad that was used in posting for the lizard I purchased. Give Steven a call, he will back my statement as he seems to be an honest fella from our short conversation.

Don't portay it like the dragon's condition came up as a surprise to you. My email below (included in my original post) shows on the 11th the dragon had fluid coming from its nose and a foul smelling bowel movement. It also mentioned I had vet appt for the next week that ended up going to the following Monday. I ask any other breeders reading this board, is it normal for a dragon to blow fluid out of its nose and to have a bowel movement that can clear a house within days of arrival to be considered healthy?

This timeline that you are so suspicious of is intact and makes sense. There is no conspiracy, there is no hidden agenda. I purchased an animal from you that needed veterinary attention. Point Blank. No sugar coating. The animal was sick.

-original message-
Subject: RE: Adult Red/Orange Female
From: Mike Livengood <sporty_live@yahoo.com>
Date: 12/11/2010 10:25 PM

Steven and Nicole,

Sorry for the delay in responding. Been a hectic week with work and Christmas coming up.

A bit slow to eat so far. Seems like she may still be stressed from the trip. She arrived cold with the heat pack barely warm. My wife held her against her arms and still took quite a while to warm up. Have had her quarantined as is my normal practice when bringing in new animals. Have noticed some fluid coming from her nose, not much but enough to notice. Also, has she been checked for parasites recently? She had her first bm today and it was very foul, stinking up the room. Ive got her scheduled for a vet visit next week to check her out and do a fecal.

12-27-2010, 08:25 PM

You should be refunded 100%. I pray your other healthy dragons don't pick up any diseases from this situation.

12-27-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MythicalDragonz

Ok Mr. Mike:

We all make mistakes, but it is what we do after we make them that makes the difference. Recieved shipment on the 7th, emailed on the 11th and then by the 21st things were all bad news from you?????

As for the shipment notification, it is tough to play back phone calls regarding this issue.

How much time needs to pass for a dragon to become ill, especially when near another sick dragon. Seems to me that if this dragon was as sick as you say it would have been noticable right away after the inital stress of shipping. As for the vet visit just how does one prove that the shipped dragon is the one taken to vet and not your own sick creature.

Below is a copy of the original mail sent to you Mike, which I guess you found unsatisfactory.

Sorry we do not take any reptiles back. All i can tell you is she was in perfect health here shes never been sick nor had a parasite issue all of our dragons are clean and healthy. Id never sell a sick dragon, i will give you the benefit of the doubt once we have more babies here I will send you a nice one to make up for any trouble i am expecting a clutch within the week. I do not ship before they are 6 weeks though, there will be some nice double hets that are not leather back trans or silk back. I will let you know when they hatch i was hoping it would be before christmas not sure it will happen though.

It is sure easy to do what one thinks is right for a situation and because it's outcome is less than desired turn the blame elsewhere.

The reality is that we all have partners of some kind or other. Not all people will get along with one another on every situation but some causes bring people together, for the good.

Thank You,
Steven Walker

Really???

I cant believe this is your answer. I am sitting here LOOKING at the vets receipts from Mike, and reading your response. I am truly sickened that this is your response.
I said this in this thread in a previous post and you just pretty much helped it out. Bearded dragons do not get respiratory over night or even in a day or two. It is under heated unsanitary living conditions that make your dragons get sick, like this. A prolonged period of time, with unsatisfactory living conditions. Not within 3-4 days, not in a week unless in a extreme unsanitary condition.
The right thing to do is cover this mans vet tab!!! A replacement baby that he doesnt want in two months is not a make-up for this incident. Besides after what this man has went though I doubt he would take another dragon from you. The Adult he got from you had a parasite level that is so high, it has no interest in food! (it is NOT the respiratory infection, as it is almost gone!) Mike contacted me and said that she is doing good she ate 2 superworms. Mike I have a place in my heart for you and your situation but a adult dragon eating two super worms isn't much to be excited about. It is a good step in the right direction. An with continued care she will be 100% again.
Yea not all people get along ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR SHIPPING SICK DRAGONS

!!!!

IM trying to post the vet recite, but cant remember how to post screen shots. with some help or if someone would like to post the 4-5 pics of the recites i would be happy to forward you the e-mail. the recites show: time, date, meds, dr, and grand total at his office.

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Originally Posted by ShadowAceD

You know what, Mr. Walker (supposedly)?

I want to know what breeder in their right mind would ship an animal in that weather. I do not care of a buyer demands it. You do not ship animals when you are putting them in danger. That is irresponsible and, frankly, sickening.

Thats a red flag there. Why endanger your babies so a inpatient customer gets a dragon that may arrive dead. If your customer is that pushy, you refund his money and send him on his way. If the customer is that way with shipping, what kind of dragon owner would they be? But its the dollars that spins nicoles head, not her customer service.

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Originally Posted by crotalusadamanteus

I think that is Nicole, using her boyfriend "Steven's" name as an alternate account.

That's what I think.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=214804

Tom

12-27-2010, 08:28 PM

12-27-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MythicalDragonz

It is sure easy to do what one thinks is right for a situation and because it's outcome is less than desired turn the blame elsewhere.

I am troubled by this comment. You sent a sick dragon and dont think you should be blamed for this situation? Really?

This whole post smells of Nicole.

12-27-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sporty_live

Thought I had it figured out, apparently not.


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