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Old 01-05-2011, 12:14 AM   #21
SERPENTS DEN
RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS WE HAVE NEEDLESSLY
LOST IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY


Through the enactment of the USA PATRIOT Act and subsequent
executive directives and regulations, essential rights and freedoms
that were once guaranteed to all individuals have been substantially
degraded. Many Americans still do not realize the significance of
what we have lost. The resulting expansion of government powers,
and the erosion of 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th Amendment
rights and freedoms have transformed the United States.



1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH


• The Patriot Act broadly expands the official definition of
terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
labeled as terrorists.

• The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
of any other records if they reveal that the government
requested information on their clients or members in the
course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
that you are under investigation.


1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION


• Government agents may now monitor the First Amendment protected
activities of religious and political institutions, and
then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal
activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding
religious and political groups.

• You may now be the subject of a government investigation
simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy
groups you are involved in, or the statements you make
within these groups.


1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS GOVERNMENT INFORMATION

• A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
to government records through Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) requests.

• The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
have already been deported in secret.


RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS WE’VE LOST SINCE 9-11
4th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE
SEARCHES &SEIZURES


• Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office
without showing “probable cause.” They need only to claim that intelligence gathering is “a significant
purpose” of their intrusion, even when the primary goal is ordinary law enforcement. They may also
monitor where and to whom you send and receive e-mail, or where you go on the Internet, recording
every e-mail address and website you have been in contact with.

• Law Enforcement may now demand any personal records held by any source including your doctor,
employer, accountant, or library. All they have to do is claim that it is related to an investigation into
“terrorism.” The record keepers may not reveal that your records were provided to the government.

• Judicial oversight of secret searches has been effectively minimized. The Patriot Act directs judges to
consent to secret searches based only on the Government’s assertion that a “significant” purpose of
an investigation is gathering information related to “terrorism,” as the government defines it.


5th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS & FREEDOM FROM BEING
HELD WITHOUT CHARGE


• Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or
evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and without
a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.

• Hundreds of Arab, Muslim and South Asian men were rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following September 11, and held for weeks without charges until all were cleared of terrorism charges.


6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION


• Hundreds of U.S. residents have been detained for months at a time, and denied access to the advice and advocacy of an attorney. The Government may now monitor conversations between attorneys &
clients in federal jails.

• The Bush Administration filed papers in court that arguing that an American citizen held in a military jail without charge should be denied access to legal counsel because such access would interfere with
the process of his interrogation.


6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL

• The U.S. Government may now jail its residents and citizens indefinitely without charge & without a public trial.


8th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS


• The U.S. Government has taken into custody individuals they identify as “material witnesses,” transported them across the country, and held them for months in solitary confinement without charge or contact with their family.

• According to the Justice Department’s own Inspector General, immigrant men rounded up in the
Ashcroft raids following September 11 and held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY
were subjected to a pattern of “physical and verbal abuse.”


14th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO EQUAL PROTECTION


• Over 82,000 men from Arab, Muslim and South Asian countries registered with the Government under the Special Registration program. Over 13,000 are now in deportation proceedings. None have been charged with terrorism.



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Old 01-05-2011, 12:25 AM   #22
SERPENTS DEN
Executive Orders That Could Enslave a Nation


EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation


Can you guess where we're being led?
 
Old 01-05-2011, 01:43 AM   #23
WebSlave
Well, obviously with the use of Executive Orders, there really is no longer any needs for "representation" within congress, now is there? Who the heck needs bills and the process of our representatives voting on them?

As for the post about the abuses of the "Patriot" Act, it seems to me that resisting arrest at all costs would likely be a prudent thought to consider. If there are no Constitutional safeguards in place while being incarcerated, you are pretty much completely at the mercy of your jailers with absolutely no recourse whatsoever. The natural extension of this thought is that things might get a lot tougher for law enforcement trying to execute a warrant for an arrest if the populace, as a whole, recognizes that the stakes have gotten much higher in that game.

Yeah, I'm sure some people will claim that as long as you aren't a terrorist, then you have nothing to fear. But who is it that gets to define that term, "terrorist"? And we're talking about our government here, aren't we? Can you seriously claim you think that they are not prone to making mistakes? You know, the same people who are spending trillions of dollars MORE each year than they are bringing in?
 
Old 01-05-2011, 01:58 AM   #24
Southern Wolf
Quote:
Originally Posted by WebSlave View Post
Yeah, I'm sure some people will claim that as long as you aren't a terrorist, then you have nothing to fear. But who is it that gets to define that term, "terrorist"? And we're talking about our government here, aren't we? Can you seriously claim you think that they are not prone to making mistakes? You know, the same people who are spending trillions of dollars MORE each year than they are bringing in?
Im sure this guy thought the same thing. But he was innocent and did 30 years hard time!

Quote:
Texan declared innocent after 30 years in prison
DALLAS – A Texas man declared innocent Tuesday after 30 years in prison had at least two chances to make parole and be set free — if only he would admit he was a sex offender. But Cornelius Dupree Jr. refused to do so, doggedly maintaining his innocence in a 1979 rape and robbery, in the process serving more time for a crime he didn't commit than any other Texas inmate exonerated by DNA evidence.

"Whatever your truth is, you have to stick with it," Dupree, 51, said Tuesday, minutes after a Dallas judge overturned his conviction.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110104/...neration_texas
 
Old 01-05-2011, 02:09 AM   #25
Southern Wolf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Internet View Post
Illegal S&S has been defined historically as S&S without probable cause... how is arresting someone for probable cause not probable cause enough to search their person? Cops have been searching people's bodies when given probable cause for DECADES... you wouldn't have a problem with them removing an arrestee's wallet or car keys, would you? What if the person has a list of names and numbers in their wallet, is the cop just supposed to turn their eyes away before they see "personal information"?

I'm honestly curious... how is checking out a cell phone different from checking pockets and checking a wallet for I.D., etc?
Here... let me help ya out since you missed it the first time I posted it.

Quote:
It also flies in the face of established law, which prohibits the warrantless search of briefcases by police, other than a quick search for weapons, Rasch said.
So they cant search your documents in your briefcase without a warrent, but they can search the documents in your phone. Ummmmm no I dont thinks so.
 
Old 01-05-2011, 08:20 AM   #26
Focal
Not that I don't think this is crap, but a password lock goes a long way. I have mine set after 15 minutes of inactive use.
 
Old 01-05-2011, 02:43 PM   #27
KelliH
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Internet View Post
Illegal S&S has been defined historically as S&S without probable cause... how is arresting someone for probable cause not probable cause enough to search their person? Cops have been searching people's bodies when given probable cause for DECADES... you wouldn't have a problem with them removing an arrestee's wallet or car keys, would you? What if the person has a list of names and numbers in their wallet, is the cop just supposed to turn their eyes away before they see "personal information"?

I'm honestly curious... how is checking out a cell phone different from checking pockets and checking a wallet for I.D., etc?
It's not any different.

I feel that as a people we have more rights now than ever before in our history. The Constitution evolves just like we (Americans) do.
 
Old 01-05-2011, 02:45 PM   #28
Southern Wolf
Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliH View Post
It's not any different.

I feel that as a people we have more rights now than ever before in our history. The Constitution evolves just like we (Americans) do.
I'll post it one more time for you too Kelli

Quote:
It also flies in the face of established law, which prohibits the warrantless search of briefcases by police, other than a quick search for weapons, Rasch said.
 
Old 01-05-2011, 03:05 PM   #29
WebSlave
Quote:
Originally Posted by KelliH View Post
It's not any different.

I feel that as a people we have more rights now than ever before in our history. The Constitution evolves just like we (Americans) do.
You CAN'T be serious about that........
 
Old 01-05-2011, 03:06 PM   #30
Mister Internet
*sigh*

"Exigent circumstances", look it up. Police have been empowered by courts of all types to conduct warrantless S&S when the property in question is easily transportable/disposable/erasable... this applies to cars, which are transportable and easily driven away along with the evidence, and it applies to papers and effects that will likely be destroyed once the subject is released from police custody. Most drug dealers or other types that would have implicating evidence on a cell phone would have a kill code or other process that would blank out the phone first chance they get if they feel it's going to fall into the law's hands. Heck, my iPhone does it for you automatically after 10 failed passcode attempts in a row if you want it to... erases everything on the phone.

I guess what I'm saying is that if someone arrests a drunk driver, it's unlikely they will "need" to search his phone. If they arrest a crack dealer, it's highly likely that they would get useful information from his phone, and also highly likely the dealer would destroy the phone's information first chance he got if released with it. Lawful precedent already allows for the warrantless S&S of property that is in imminent danger of being compromised.
 

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