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Old 10-06-2002, 02:35 PM   #21
HerpVenue
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did I hold your JOB against you no!!!So why pic on mine!!!
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Hey Justin Remeber these?

Justin's Quotes:


--"MIGHTY NARCOTICS OFFICER" <-- is this not an attack?

--I'm glad I don't have to arrest poor, sick, mentally ill people who only wanted to fill the hole in there heart with a substance that made them feel better<-- is this not an veiled attack?

--My stepdad is a cop, I know 1st hand how crooked SOME cops are.The're human just like everyone else,if they weren't you and I wouldn't be having this conversation now would we., as Jesus said,
"Those without sin , cast the 1st stone".
spam_<-- what are you implying?

--And for all you Weekend Warriors/Game Biologist <-- is this not an attack on other people's jobs?



Wow I have not seen anyone NOT hold someones job against them like you do Justin.

We should not arrest the law breakers....Just like we should tell Osama Bin Laden everything will be okay. spam_He can go on his Merry way. <-- spam_Sound good justin?
 
Old 10-06-2002, 03:12 PM   #22
Pennebaker
I just have one last thing to say about this (then it's back to football and lizard chores, lol)...

It is HIS money. &nbsp;We all have the right to back out on a deal for whatever reason. &nbsp;Especially when it is a big deal--everything better feel right if you are about to drop several grand. &nbsp;You cannot hold it against someone for backing out. No one should feel obligated to spend thousands of dollars if they are not 100% sure. Or even a penny for that matter!

It may suck to have to bend over backwards for customers only to have the sale not go through, but hey, that is business. &nbsp;
I do not know that this is the correct forum for this. &nbsp;No one was burned or scammed for their money. &nbsp;Yes, yes, time is money. &nbsp;But that is a choice whether or not to give someone that time, and we all do this for potential customers if we are going to stay in business. &nbsp;I've taken 100s of photos for customers that never wound up buying. &nbsp;If we are not prepared to do this, we should not be in sales. &nbsp;I expect it. &nbsp;I expect "interested" parties, window shoppers, price comparisons, and last minute back outs. &nbsp;It happens in every line of work.
And off topic, but related, how many times do we have friends/family that tell us they are planning on stopping by and never do? LOL, I've been waiting for two weeks on my cousin!

It is never a sure thing until the deal is done! &nbsp;It can be frustrating, but that's sales for you!
Just my 2 cents. &nbsp;No offense meant to anyone.

Dana
 
Old 10-06-2002, 07:40 PM   #23
Justin Mitcham
Well just got off the phone with Gilbert, we both were able to bury the hatchett, We feel both of us were wrong and that is that.Basically the whole thing was just a big communication failure that we both are responsible for.So I guess this thread is now closed.

To Ritchie:
--"MIGHTY NARCOTICS OFFICER" <-- is this not an attack?
WOW... your right!!

--I'm glad I don't have to arrest poor, sick, mentally ill people who only wanted to fill the hole in there heart with a substance that made them feel better<-- is this not an veiled attack?
Man your good at this &nbsp;:-)!!

--My stepdad is a cop, I know 1st hand how crooked SOME cops are.The're human just like everyone else,if they weren't you and I wouldn't be having this conversation now would we., as Jesus said,
"Those without sin , cast the 1st stone". &nbsp;<-- what are you implying?
No-one's perfect!!!

--And for all you Weekend Warriors/Game Biologist <-- is this not an attack on other people's jobs?
Woops got me wrong on this one... I refering to all those &nbsp;ordinary people who seem to know it all about ecology and state what is good for me to collect and what isn't and in what numbers, hence the phrase "weekend warrior game biologist" may not of been the best way to put it but can't take it back now.I take offense to these people because most of them really don't know what there talking about.

Yep that post was "hypicritical" and "tit for tat" and meant to be that way, Gilbert and I are now cool with each other and will likely become good friends.So that's all that matters. Sorry for inconveinence.

Regards,
Justin
 
Old 10-07-2002, 11:20 AM   #24
Blackwater Reptiles
As a casual observer, who reads this message board for it's entertainment value as much as it's informational value, I have to ask a question that's burning to be answered....

WHY?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? Couldn't you have phoned Gilbert and talked this out PRIVATELY before you posted this thread here?

So, you have aired "dirty laundry" (sort of) for no good reason. There was no theft, deception, or anything else "worthy" of posting here, like in about 90% of the rest of the threads on this board of late..... This made almost as little sense as the "Dave VS Neil" thread.....

Again, this is really none of my business, but since the rest of the bandwidth was apparently wasted with what *should* have been taken care of privately, I felt it is okay for me to ask.....

What exactly is/was the point to all of this?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
Has this board been reduced to a forum for people to post any and every b!tch they may have against anyone or anything in the known universe?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

Peace....
 
Old 10-07-2002, 12:27 PM   #25
BILL CAGLE
I WOULD LIKE TO POST MY EXPERIENCE WITH GILBERT OVER THE WEEKEND. I AM NOT GOING TO TYPE ALOT BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS MY TYPING IS TERRIBLE! YES, I KNOW WHERE THE CAPS LOCK KEY IS, BUT I PREFER TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS. I HOPE THIS DOES NOT OFFEND OR BOTHER ANYONE, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO TYPE AND READ. I AM ATTACHING ALL OF MINE AND GILBERT'S EMAILS TO THIS POST. I'M NOT DOING THIS TO HURT ANYONE, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHAT WE AS SELLERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I HAVE SHOWN SOME FRUSTRATION IN PREVIOUS POSTS ON HERE AND I HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE UNDERSTAND WHY. I THINK BY SHOWING THESE EMAILS, IT WILL HELP EVERYONE CONNECTED WITH THIS HOBBY. I ALSO HOPE THIS HELPS GILBERT IN ANY FUTURE DEALINGS HE HAS.

spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ HERE IS GILBERT'S 1ST EMAIL TO ME:

Hello Bill,spam_Please don't sell this animal until we can talk. I have cash!!

Thanks,
Gilbert Thompson


spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_2ND EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Hello Bill,
spam_ spam_ spam_Please don't sell this animal until we can talk.
I have cash!!
Thanks,
Gilbert Thompson


---------------------------------------------


GILBERT CALLED AND WOKE ME AT 5AM SATURDAY MORNING. THIS CAN ALSO BE A BIT FRUSTRATING.

spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_THIRD EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Hi,

spam_ spam_ spam_ I just tried to call and the line was busy. spam_I will try agian in a

few minutes.

Thanks,

Gilbert



----- Original Message -----

From: <Bcaglereps@aol.com>

To: <grthompson@ev1.net>

Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: Message about: BRAZILIAN AMARALI MALE 2FT. \"SCREAMER!\"

**PIC**

HEY GILBERT, I'VE HAD A GREAT RESPONCE TO THIS ANIMAL, BUT YOU WERE FIRST TO E-MAIL AND DEFINATLY FIRST TO CALL. THAT WAS ME ON THE PHONE EARLY THIS MORNING. I HAD ONLY BEEN IN THE BED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS. I WAS ON THIS COMPUTER UNTIL 2<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0AM. I SAT UP AFTER SIGNING OFF FOR ANOTHER TWO OR THREE HOURS. IT WAS A FULL MOON LAST NIGHT AND I ALWAYS HAVE TROUBLE SLEEPING WHEN THE MOON IS FULL. I GUESS I HAVE A LITTLE SNAKE IN ME. WELL ANYWAY, NO
PROBLEM FOR CALLING. I SHARE YOUR EXCITEMENT ABOUT BOAS AND HAVE FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS NOW! I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU TODAY AND I WILL HOLD THIS ANIMAL FOR YOU UNTIL WE TALK. TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS.

YOUR FRIEND AND FELLOW HERPER, BILL




spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ 4TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Hi, I just tried to call and the line was busy. spam_I will try agian in a few minutes.

Thanks,

Gilbert




spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_spam_ spam_5TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Hello, I was wandering what happened? spam_I figured you got tied up on the house deal. spam_I just wanted to let you know I am still interested.

Thanks,

Gilbert



spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ 6TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Bill, It's going to be a toss up between #3 and #4. spam_Have you seen the fauna classifieds latley. spam_They have started in on me. spam_That twat Justin!! spam_I have some big people I have dealt with fixin to swat there ass today on there. Check out what I wrote and tell me what you think. I have got to get some sleep soon. I will get with you this evening.

Thanks,

Gilbert



&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;spam_7TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

I will do it Monday via wire transfer.

Thanks,

Gilbert


&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MY REPLY TO GILBERT 10/6/02
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
HEY GILBERT, YES I HAVE LOOKED AT THE BOI. I GO THERE FOR PURE
ENTERTAINMENT. &nbsp;THOSE PEOPLE ON THERE REALLY CRACK ME UP! IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START YOUR LIST OF WHO NOT TO DEAL WITH. IT IS MOSTLY THE SAME OLD PEOPLE POSTING THE SAME OLD BS EVERYDAY. I DO NOT POST UNLESS I HAVE FACTS FIRST HAND. I DO NOT DEAL IN HEARSAY INFORMATION AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW AND WHEN YOU WILL SEND PAYMENT FOR THIS MALE. I HAVE TWO OTHER PEOPLE BEGGING ME FOR HIM, BUT YOU WERE FIRST TO E-MAIL.

THANKS, BILL


spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ 8TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

My number is 254-746-7628

Thanks,

Gilbert


----- Original Message -----

From: <Bcaglereps@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: FEMALE #3

OK GILBERT, SOUNDS GREAT. PLEASE E-MAIL ME YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND I WILL CALL YOU WITH MY BANK INFO TOMORROW.

THANKS, BILL



spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ 9TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

I tell you what if it's okay I can call you tonight around 8<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0 P.M.

Thanks,

Gilbert




spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ 10TH EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Bill,spam_I have had a few minor set backs come up. spam_If the others were speaking of want the male. spam_Goahead and give it to them. spam_I will be right again before long and buy one of the others you are getting. spam_If something happens and Troy can't help. spam_Let me know and I will see what I can do. spam_I will be squared away in a bit.

Thanks,

Gilbert Thompson



----- Original Message -----

From: <Bcaglereps@aol.com>

To: <grthompson@ev1.net>

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:24 AM

OK GILBERT, SOUNDS GOOD. I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING WITH YOU.

THANKS, BILL


spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_ spam_11TH spam_AND LAST EMAIL FROM GILBERT:

Bill, I am sorry you feel that way!! Does this mean that the others coming in you don't want me to buy. spam_I know this seems ironic that is why I not offended by what you said. spam_With the BOI and all I can't blame you for thanking that. Let me know if I am to purchase the other animals.

Thanks,

Gilbert



----- Original Message -----

From: <Bcaglereps@aol.com>

To: <grthompson@ev1.net>

Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:55 PM

Subject: Re: FEMALE #3

HEY GILBERT, YOU DID EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO. YOU REALLY SHOULD STOP LEADING PEOPLE ON LIKE THIS. IT MAKES YOU LOOK VERY BAD. WORD TRAVELS FAST IN THIS HOBBY AND YOU WILL RUIN YOUR REPUTATION BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED. I HOPE YOU DO NOT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY BUT I HOPE YOU SEE THE PATTERN YOU ARE FORMING. EVERYONE ON THE BOI WAS RIGHT FOR ONCE. YOU REALLY INCONVIENCED ME AND THE OTHER TWO BUYERS. THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT PEOPLE IN THIS HOBBY LIKE TO DEAL WITH. I'VE SEEN IN THE POSTS ON THE BOI WHERE YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO SEVERAL OTHERS, OR IT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. IT IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME, ONLY AN INCONVIENENCE. IT IS YOU THAT HAS THE PROBLEM. YOU SHOULD NEVER WRITE, AND I QUOTE, "DO NOT SELL THIS SNAKE, I WANT
HIM.....I HAVE CASH", UNLESS YOU ARE 100% SURE YOU ARE GOING TO BUY WHAT YOU ARE INQUIRING ABOUT. I HOPE YOU DON'T REALLY THINK THAT I COULD TRUST YOU NOW, AND GO INTO ANY KIND OF MAJOR PURCHASE WITH YOU. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU FEEL BAD, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO YOURSELF. YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT ALL THIS BEFORE YOU EMAIL OR INQUIRE ABOUT
BUYING ANYTHING ELSE, FROM ANYONE.

THANKS, BILL



IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONCE AGAIN THIS WAS NOT DONE TO HURT ANYONE, ONLY TO HELP EVERYONE IN THIS HOBBY. THIS NOT ONLY INCONVIENECED ME, BUT INCONVIENENCED TWO OF MY CUSTOMERS. THE 2ND PERSON TO EMAIL ON THIS ANIMAL WAS RANDY BUSH. AND HE IN FACT PAYPALD THE MONEY FOR IT THIS MORNING. THE 3RD BUYER WAS TIM MAGEE, OR BETTER KNOWN AS RAINSHADOW. TIM HAD OFFERED ME A TRADE DEAL FOR HIS BEST BELKNAP SURINAMES. I HAD TO HOLD BOTH OF THESE GUYS UP DEALING WITH GILBERT. THERE WERE ALSO SEVERAL UNNESSESARY LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALLS MADE, AND I TOOK SEVERAL PICS FOR GILBERT. SORRY THIS WAS SUCH A LENGTHY BUNCH OF EMAILS, BUT NOW YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE HAD TO ENDURE ALL WEEKEND. I ALSO HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER WHY SELLERS LOSE PATIENCE FROM TIME TO TIME. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR READING, AND GOD BLESS.

YOUR FRIEND AND FELLOW HERPER, BILL
 
Old 10-07-2002, 12:34 PM   #26
BILL CAGLE
MY MISTAKE, HERE IS HIS 2ND EMAIL.....

Bill,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I was so excited my better judgement came over me. &nbsp;I just tried to call and woke some one up. &nbsp;I sorry!!
On this male!! &nbsp;I will probably not be awake until later this evening. &nbsp;Is that an okay time to call? &nbsp;Email me back and let me know a good time to call.
DON'T SALE THIS MALE!!!!! &nbsp; I WANT HIM!!!!!
Thanks,
Gilbert Thompson
P.S. &nbsp;Do you have any females like him?? &nbsp;Talk to you this evening.
----------------------------------------------
This message was sent by the user: Gilbert Thompson


----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
To: Bcaglereps@aol.com
Subject: Message about: BRAZILIAN AMARALI MALE 2FT. \"SCREAMER!\" **PIC**
From: grthompson@ev1.net
 
Old 10-07-2002, 02:03 PM   #27
randy6679
I really hated to hear about this transaction,or should I say,lack of.I was actually kind of banking on this happening.I have studied the BOI over the past couple of days and have seen a definite pattern with the way Gilbert Thompson does business,or should I say,lack of....One good thing came out of this,and that is,I just bought ANOTHER great animal from BILL CAGLE.I can understand someones excitement about seeing an animal this exceptional,but if you can't go through with the deal then don't inconvienence people.When Bill told me the animal was available this morning I paid him within 5 minutes..I have bought probably a dozen boas from Bill,and I will have to say that he breeds and acquires some of the best boas in the business!!!I'm sure I will be wearing out my digital camera taking pics of this AWESOME brazilian amarali.Simply the BEST Bill!! And to Mr.Thompson;when you give your word to someone,please follow through,because in the end thats all any of us have,OUR WORD...Thanks everyone....Randy Bush
 
Old 10-07-2002, 02:25 PM   #28
Shawn Gray
WOW, I’ve been following this thread for a couple days now and debating on posting anything. After reading Bills post, I had too.
My experience was almost exactly the same. Several weeks ago Gilbert emailed me about a group of adult albino nelsons. Said the exact same thing as he did to Bill.
I have cash! He told me he was mailing me the money. About a week past and I emailed him to ask if he sent it like he said he would. NO REPLY!
So I labeled him as a “ WINDOW “ shopper. Several weeks past and Gilbert replied to an ad I posted and pretty much said the same thing…” Please don’t sell that chondro I want it. I have cash.” I replied to his email and answered his questions. I also reminded him that he left me hanging on the nelson package. He did apologize and assured me he wasn’t wasting my time. We exchanged a couple emails and played phone tag twice. In the end I sent him 2 emails and left him two messages on his phone, with no return. More time completely waisted!
I agree with what Gilbert said… If your not comfortable with a deal, you shouldn’t go through with it. I find it very hard to believe that Gilbert wasn’t comfortable with Myself, Gary Schieveno, Vic (exclusive ) Justin, John, Corey and Bill. Come on Gilbert. Everyone mentioned did something that didn’t make you feel comfortable?
As Bill said. I’m not posting this to hurt anyone. It would just be nice for the purchaser to see how frustrating it is. When you say you want to buy something… FOLLOW through with it ! Stop waisting everyone’s time.

Shawn Gray
www.sunbakedserpents.com
 
Old 10-07-2002, 03:00 PM   #29
Dembinski Reptiles
Well, this is just Gilberts pattern. He not only backed out on 1, 2 but 3 deals with me as well. I was able to recoup the first 2 and marked it off as no harm, no foul. Gilbert seemed nice enough to give it one last shot. Well, this one costs me. I had another cash offer on the snake being dealt to Gilbert (a Het. Clown female). I gave my word to Gilbert on our trade deal and turned it down. Well, when Gilbert pulls the rug out from me AGAIN, I was hoping to recoup that offer as well. Well, my luck ran out on this one. The customer already spent it with someone else. The cash could of really helped out at the time, so this last round with Gilbert did leave a sour taste in my mouth. Im sure youll have some people post good things about Gilbert and he is a nice guy, but he probably only honors 1 out of every 10 deals he AGREES too. Sorry, not to go into much detail, but with all 3 bogus offers, its simply too much to type and Im pi$$ed that I deleted the emails, but read Bill's. There not that much different. If you like full details, contact me and I let you know about each one. Lesson: If Gilbert makes a offer, great. If you have a second offer, take that one. It will more than likely save you time, money and the headache.

Joe Dembinski
 
Old 10-07-2002, 05:25 PM   #30
Gilbert Thompson
Hello and Thanks,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;You want it open in here I willl give it to you.
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The truth I will give it to you. &nbsp;
Bill Cagle: &nbsp;I am not much into buying animals due to the IVD epedimic I found out prior to it being almost to late.

Joe Dem???: &nbsp;Sorry just to much of a snake peddler for me. &nbsp;

I am not trying to hurt anyone either. &nbsp;However, you ask for the truth on a public forum I will give it to you.
Thanks,
Gilbert Thompson
 

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