Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

Originally Posted by LauraB

Sure enough, Sam - excellent catch!

Also, here's an image I created using the same font Christina (or Jeff?) used on the bogus check. I also have the paint.net program and downloaded the font.

Here's where the font can be downloaded:
http://www.abstractfonts.com/search/?q=festus

I didnt realize you could download fonts into that program.... glad I could help ya.

I knew once I put the program name out there.... someone would figure it out.

You Rock!

There are many of us in constant pain that would never ever ever think of stealing money meant for a dead man's children.

I have been in the works all day talking with DAND FRAGGING DRAGON AND POLASIAN trying to sort it out for john to meet dand with the the albinos and the hets along with the cresteds. To be put torward maggies funds this fell through and I cant ship through SYR so I was told to ask what you guys thought I should do how to resolve this so the animals could be sold and funds gone to maggie.

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

I have been in the works all day talking with DAND FRAGGING DRAGON AND POLASIAN trying to sort it out for john to meet dand with the the albinos and the hets along with the cresteds. To be put torward maggies funds this fell through and I cant ship through SYR so I was told to ask what you guys thought I should do how to resolve this so the animals could be sold and funds gone to maggie.

Why cant you ship the Cresteds through SYR, other then the fact not a SOUL trusts you.

I would seriously consider pawn shops, auto buyers, and everything under the sun to get this taken care of. I dont know what those hets are worth now that they are coming from you.

After all, you only paid 1000.00 for them with an Albino male, which is low to begin with. How can anyone be guaranteed that those hets are really hets coming from you?

What do WE think? Isn't it obvious that we think you shouldn't have blown the money in the first place?

You're gonna have to find people to sell those to, that don't know how low you are, that's what you're gonna have to do. Good luck with that.

I would like to thank those of you that have other sites for getting this up and linking. I would also like to appeal to those that normally don't let such topics on their boards to let this one stand, Please. We share a lot of the same member base. Thanks.

Originally Posted by dragonlvr64

I know they were posting sale ads on Pangea. Matt has been made aware of this thread. Not sure what he will do if they try to post again over there.

They are also over on the site that Rich keeps blocking

Originally Posted by brd7666

Here is a little
Jeffery Allan Wise
Jeffery Mr Wise
Jeffery A Wise
Jeffery M Wise
Jeffery Wise
Jeffrey A Wise
Jeffrey Wise
J Wise
Jeffrey Weiss

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relatives

Christina Wise
Deborah Sue Wise
Mark Lee Wise

Not sure if it was already mentioned, but on the paypal screenshot I posted, my monies were going to Christina HORN (not Christina WISE).

Originally Posted by DAND

Maggie,

You had quite a bit on your mind at the time so don't kick yourself. Saving your kicking for those who deserve it.

I cannot even begin to stress how much I agree with this statement. You were taken advantage of during a time when you needed a friend the most. I think anyone of us in your situation would have done the same. In our darkest hour, we look for a guiding light. They seemed to be just that with these auctions- they deserve the kicking, not you.

Originally Posted by Herpster

She deleted me as a friend last night on facebook and I believe a few others as well.

Ditto.

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

The check is a fake the PAYPAL is all real. I did lie about the money.

I took out all but the pertinent information.
To clarify/recap for anyone reading at this point- the PayPal covered $1,600. That leaves approximately $3,853 unaccounted for from the total of $5,453 raised for Chuck, Maggie, and their children.
Moving on-

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

Then when we got home I found in the mail a bill from my electric company saying I owed 700 or they would shut it off due to an old bill it was an address i lived at a long time ago my ex had put the electricity back in my name. THAT WAS THE 1500. thats 3100 total so far.

First of all, you definitely could have refuted that bill. I would know- it's happened here between my parents. So that excuse right there makes no sense. (Just thought I would point that out to anyone who may care)
Second, let's remember that Maggie knew of you using $200 for said aunt from that trip. You, by your account now, have made it clear you used $800 for the trip- not $200. This is setting aside the fact that you used $700 without Maggie's knowledge (aside from casually tossing it into conversation ).
In Maggie's own words (and I'm so sorry for cutting out the major parts, please forgive me):

Originally Posted by Herpster

You called my house at 10:30 at night hysterical crying that his aunt died or was dying and you wanted to know if you could use about $200 to go.
I NEVER said you could take the $700 for your electric bill. You "threw it" into a conversation - you also said well, I knew you wouldn't want us to have no electricity.

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

When maggie said I need the 1000 now or else, I didnt know what to do.

So you denied any type of wrongdoing, told Maggie to "bring it", and when you finally confessed it was bogged down with excuses that was probably meant to tug at some heart strings (it didn't).

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

I was gonna list the albino and 3 hets up for sale so that I can have that money sent you , also the crested I will sale .
I just want maggie to have her money.

But you didn't, and she doesn't.
If you put anything for sale up here, I think it would be a wonderful idea to have the buyer send all but the shipping to Maggie's PayPal. That way, there is a true record of "paying what you owe". Food for thought.

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

Also I am trying to sell the snakes and cresteds to have money given to maggie whoever gets them can have the money sent right to her. I am talking with someone about picking them up.

If they pick it up, wouldn't it be safe to say the money goes to you? Did you mean a fellow member was picking them up and giving the money to Maggie? I don't see any new listings on here from you, correct me if I am wrong.

Originally Posted by Mrs_wise_reptiles

I never used her money to buy the hets or the albino. That money was from my mom she knew I wanted ball pythons and hadent gave me christmas or my birthday yet along with loaning me alittle more till we get taxes.

So, instead of paying what was owed to Maggie, you decided to use that money from your mother for yourself.

The bottom line is that this money should not have even been with you for this long. The SECOND you got these donations, you should have been sending the money to Maggie. Anything less, and in this case it was, was wrong and disingenuous. It was theft.

Originally Posted by Dennis Hultman

I would ask you not to lose heart when it comes to these matters.

I couldn't agree more. Doing so would be a disservice to not only Rick, his family, Maggie, and her children, but also to Chuck.

I keep going back to an old saying-
WWCD?
(What Would Chuck Do?)
I'm sure we'll all find out someday, if we would be so lucky. If I were the perps in question, I'd be pretty scared of the possibility of an afterlife. Although, Chuck is heaven, and well...