Johathon at Breeders Circle saying his Citrus Pastel WO makes our Power House WO

Ok Jon glad you made it I'm starting to see something in some of those animals. Their is a cinni in the 2nd and 3rd pic down that I guess would be a good example. I'm sure you can see where some of the skepticism would come from on this as its kind of a highlighter gene I'm guessing nothing like pied banana or albino that's going to jump off the animals every time. Also I'm sure you can understand where the community would want to know as much about the gene and the background of it as of now. It is hard to pull out a highlighter type gene when you start getting into 2+ gene animals. When you do come up with some more pics how about doing or getting some good comparison pics I'm sure that may help. I agree it would be nice to know what makes a whiteout a whiteout.


One question I would like to have answered is is this gene random, or co-dom or is to early to tell?


Try to avoid the mud slinging I think your reputation does not need backed by yourself and I'm sure most on hear can bring up enough on the others involved at least one you won't need to take part in it and stoop to that level.

Originally Posted by garweft

Ok, so what's so special about these so-called "whiteouts"? In other words, what makes a white out a white out?

I don't want to get this OT so I started a new thread asking this question here.... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...66#post1377666

Originally Posted by Ace of Snakes

Your a pure idiot dude and all you want to do is smear his name and Jonathan's. I back those two guys up 100% BUT YOU ARE JUST A DOUCHE BAG. Do us a favor and get out now cause you just ruined your name Mr. Gecko breeder. What a joke. Next time you bark up a tree, make sure you know what is up. I have been to Amir's house and I can not explain the CRAZY citrus whiteout combos this man has. Look at mine, now imagine that 20X over with better stuff. I am sure the pictures from Amir and Jonathan will come. You have to remember that these guys are BIG breeders and not tiny like you or me. They are busy and they can't drop everything to please you. Happy customers and being true speak for themselves. You are nothing and whatever your anger towards these two awesome breeders is nuts. In fact, you are nuts. Have a great day and or week or month trying to convince otherwise.

I know you're trying to stick up for your friends, which is fine, but if you can't post in an adult manner you're not doing them any good. I'm not into ball pythons, but you have some beautiful snakes by the way.

Here are some animals I am producing from Amir's Citrus Pastel line that I purchased from him 5 years ago. I don't have any crosses with Calico just Yellowbelly. And as you can see from the pics they are anything other than just a normal Pastel.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_6491.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_6484.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0812.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0831.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0844.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0841.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_1188.jpg

Here is a Citrus Pewter
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_1131.jpg
Here is a Citrus Pastel Mojave Yellowbelly
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0799.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0801.jpg

Now Clark you cannot tell me these are just normal Pastel crosses. I have been making these crosses for three years now. There is something to the Citrus gene. Hopefully this year I will get it into the Sugar line and then see if it compares to your "Powerhouse line" Calico crosses. Which it will since you received your animal from Amir.
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Here are some animals I am producing from Amir's Citrus Pastel line that I purchased from him 5 years ago. I don't have any crosses with Calico just Yellowbelly. And as you can see from the pics they are anything other than just a normal Pastel.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_6491.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_6484.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0812.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0831.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0844.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0841.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_1188.jpg
Here is a Citrus Pewter
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_1131.jpg
Here is a Citrus Pastel Mojave Yellowbelly
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0799.jpg
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/IMG_0801.jpg

Now Clark you cannot tell me these are just normal Pastel crosses. I have been making these crosses for three years now. There is something to the Citrus gene. Hopefully this year I will get it into the Sugar line and then see if it compares to your "Powerhouse line" Calico crosses. Which it will since you received your animal from Amir.
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Sorry I don't know why I can't get the pics to post without showing the link?

Originally Posted by rjs73

Sorry I don't know why I can't get the pics to post without showing the link?

Click on the yellow box with the mountain looking thing in it that says "insert image" when you post and put the picture there.

Here is a better picture of my citrus pastel whiteout calico.

Baby picture of my citrus whiteout silver streak

Specter I bought from Amir. Proven!!

Het puma male bought from Amir


Het puma males belly


Figured I would post these since the het puma and specter thing was brought up.

This thread needs to die in my opinion. This will be my last post on it. Great job Johnathan from Breeders Circle on all the quality animals you have produced. The same can be said for you Amir and thank you for everything.

John,
So we are in agreement our morphs are from two different genes. Where as you and Amir are not in agreement to the genetics of your own whiteout morph. Amir claims the gene has visual genetic markers. You say the gene is random and can show up in any citrus pastel? Here is Amir's post from the other site. Please inform us and show us all the visual markers to clear up the genetics. So all of us are not confused


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Re: Citrus Whiteout Pastels!
Great questions!

First of all I am not working with anyone now nor have I ever worked with anyone in producing my line of Citrus or any other line.
The Citrus pastel was produced here and the Citrus Whiteout was named here first and came from one individual imported female and one imported male pastel.
All Citrus Pastels produced by me and purchased from me have the potential to produce Whiteouts and sibs that are non pastels yet show the hidden gene markers.
As with any product that has value and is sought after there will be counterfeit animals floating around. They did not come from my collection.
Having worked with this gene for over a decade and producing multiple clutches and combos I can say that there is still alot to be understood about the mutation but I do have an advantage when it comes to explaining it.
Citrus Pastel started here and The Whiteout was named here.
Any other questions?
As for the Green Pastel, it is not the same as a Het Red Axanthic. It also started here and was renamed Lace Blackback by Mike Cole who purchased a male from me years ago. It is similar in appearance to a Het Red just like mojave and lesser are similar yet clearly not the same thing.
Hope i have shed some light on the subject.
www.yellowbellyball.com

Since we all now know that the two snake lineages are totally different due to our extreme specter like striped calico crosses that appears in everyone one our calico crosses unlike yours. We are now changing the name to the "Power House Washout". Since we clearly now know Amir didn't produce our snake and he isn't posting any pictures of animals comparable to ours that he has produced. We will also have the World of Ball Pythons change the name of our morph since no one is posting any of our type of snakes.