BallBids.com?

I must have missed it. What are the liars over there doing responsibly? Threatening anyone and everyone who dares expose them for the liars they are.

usark has let us all down with turn about.

"lonewolfrider" who is this guy and why does he care so much???? I feel like he googles ballbids.com threads just to dig them up. he keeps digging up old threads on iHerp and trying to defend this sad excuse of a website. But by the way he writes his posts he makes it seem as if he IS the one running ballbids. But he claims to be just a guy defending the site? or am I missing something? I only know because I get the email notifications. There is a reason we told him to beat it on iHerp...

Originally Posted by aSnakeLovinBabe

"lonewolfrider" who is this guy and why does he care so much???? I feel like he googles ballbids.com threads just to dig them up. he keeps digging up old threads on iHerp and trying to defend this sad excuse of a website. But by the way he writes his posts he makes it seem as if he IS the one running ballbids. But he claims to be just a guy defending the site? or am I missing something? I only know because I get the email notifications. There is a reason we told him to beat it on iHerp...

'Lonewolfrider', AKA Mark Byers, appears to be the father of Zack Byers the president of Ballbids.

I wonder why anyone would have financial ties or risk financial information on a site that gets hacked and shut down? cyber security issues on a store site mean stay away.

I really don't see why everyone is so angry anyway. They rarely have snakes up for sale, they auction bids and almost nothing else. Any new person looking to breed is told to go for 2-3 trait females and later a 3 trait male and I have not seen anything like that from them.

Originally Posted by Dragoon189

I really don't see why everyone is so angry anyway.

I can't speak for everyone, I can only speak for myself. Even if only a few snakes are sold, they should have done so in an above board, ethical manner.

Their beginning advertisements showed snakes for only a few dollars, but to me that advertising was fraudulent as those snakes were never actually sold for that amount, and later a representative of the company said that those were 'just examples of what a snake could sell for'.

The have been rude, snarky, and instead of answering to questions have created a ridiculous self serving site that they link to incessantly, that appears to have no proof of any allegations they make.

Originally Posted by Lucille

I can't speak for everyone, I can only speak for myself. Even if only a few snakes are sold, they should have done so in an above board, ethical manner.

Their beginning advertisements showed snakes for only a few dollars, but to me that advertising was fraudulent as those snakes were never actually sold for that amount, and later a representative of the company said that those were 'just examples of what a snake could sell for'.

The have been rude, snarky, and instead of answering to questions have created a ridiculous self serving site that they link to incessantly, that appears to have no proof of any allegations they make.

I do agree that the "possible prices" is false advertising and I have read the board to some extent and I have flagged a few of 'daddies' posts for being a jerk too. I truly think the auction style they chose will disenfranchise users as time passes. I see the site as little threat with the 'blackball' that this trade can bring upon a name I don't see them being capable of keeping the model going. If he buys from breeders they risk their own name and won't be involved for long. If he produces his own he limits what he can sell by what he has and the years of work to produce anything that will garner real attention. It is not like anyone outside of ballbids has posted anything nice about them and in the long run will hamper future business unless they can make nice with the reptile community. Maybe they will make a massive donation to USARK? Just to throw something out there.

I would guess Ballbids probably has an attorney going around and threatening legal action and it is possible they sent a letter to USARK and asked for a retraction.

Certainly one can see from their responses on this thread that Ballbids is going to extraordinary lengths to create and promote the vision of their company that they want the public to see.

Originally Posted by Shadera

USARK has done a 180. The phrase "Neither do we condemn individual businesses or business models that engage in these activities responsibly." What about ballbids has been responsible?!?

Excellent point.

I was wondering exactly what USARK retracted, now I know thanks to the ballbids lawyer lol.