GIOVANNI GARCIA.....You have to see this !!

Originally Posted by Lucille

Charles there are also some screen shot responses from Giovanny in posts 4 and 7 on this thread.

Thanks Lucille, I missed that earlier. Honestly after reading I believe three threads on Facebook prior to this one being posted, I wasn't looking to hard.

I only saw one response from Giovanny in post #4 that says " Yes
Derreck, when the agreement is live arrival". I didn't see a response from him in post #7.

Originally Posted by chazzz

I didn't see a response from him in post #7.

Right side of the screenshot, 3 posts down?

That's not even a SYR box.

Anyway, allow me. OP made a bad guy thread in the Monitor Lizards Classifieds groups. There are additional texts exchanged. I'll post them as well as comment strings.





I hope this is of some assistance.

"Ship it in any box". In below freezing temps.

I feel like there is more to this story from the seller's POV and we're not seeing it. Especially judging by OP's history. I believe this will be another case where both are at fault.

Hi. Just for the record parrots of the world called in a Veterinary friend who did all the work. It was months ago and I don't remember his name and honestly didn't know that I was going to have to. I can guarantee you that if the documents were forged a person who is reputable enough to have a television show and take care of Martha Stewart's animals wood have not only posted here but has taken me to court.

As far as this case goes .... we made the deal a week before he shipped. Then he said he had no box. Then he waited another day and found a box. My understanding ...Maybe incorrectly ..was that ship your reptile keeps the animal in stable temperatures. I also thought that as a reptile shipper they would not except an animal in deplorable packing conditions.

Also when I said he could use any box I thoughy the he would not put it in a box that you would ship a ball python in !!!..with heat packs touching it! Especially since he said he is a breeder and that he ships all the time!
That's why I almost.. and should have in retrospect.. called off the sale when he said after a week that he did not have a box!

Yes if telling him to ship was wrong then I take responsibility for that. I misunderstood SYRs service ..

What I do not take responsibility for is the way he shipped and what he did to this animal. If you look on Facebook you will see that I actually recommended ship your reptile because again I thought they provide stable temperatures. In this case however it was not the temperature that killed the animal. The temperature was exactly 70 degrees in the box when I opened it. I have a picture of my heat gun somewhere that I think I posted on Facebook showing that.
The animal was rotting from being overheated and stuffed in a box. Anyway at this point there's nothing to do.

He will not come forward here because then he will have to reveal his name on fauna..I know it may be hard for you guys to believe but I set myself up for all this ...knowing this would rehash a prior disaster ...just so that you guys are aware of him. I don't even do snakes. Think of me what you want bu this guy is dangerous

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Personally at this point I wouldn't touch either party with a ten foot pole. Why would you even be in this hobby if you had no more respect for the life and comfort of a beautiful animal than this? And as far as texts and messages to refund and make this right...there is no making this right. The money involved in the transaction is a much less serious cost than the cruelty suffered by this animal because negligent people were careless with its life.

Without a necropsy you will have an incredibly hard time determining cause or time of death. Being trapped in a hot box overnight would certainly speed up decomp in my opinion. Why haven't you posted the original messages?