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Old 05-02-2005, 03:07 AM   #1
WebSlave
Murphy's Laws of Snake Breeding

<center><h1>Murphy's Laws of Snake Breeding</h1></center>

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<li><B><I>All of the snakes you obtain will not be properly sexed.</I></B>
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<li>Everyone makes mistakes. Sexing baby snakes is not the easiest thing in the world to do. Anyone who has told you that they have never made a mistake sexing a snake does not stay in contact with past customers. <br>

<li>When you get your snakes, check the sexes immediately. It's a little embarrassing for both of you to have to call your supplier back two years later to tell them about the error. Plus you have just lost two years needlessly from your breeding plans with those snakes.
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<li><B><I>All of the snakes you obtain will not reach maturity and breed before some mishap occurs.</I></B>
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<li>Snakes DO escape. If there is one thing they are pros at doing, escaping is it. Sometimes you never see the escapee again and your breeding plans have been seriously impacted.<br>

<li>Snakes DO die. Like all other life forms, they suffer from mortality. This could be from any number of things, such as poor husbandry, internal organ failures, accidents, etc. Keep the cage simple. Step back and take a look at it thinking that the snake is suicidal and will do anything it can to injure itself. Then remove all of the items that it could use to reach that goal.
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<li><B><I>Every mated pairing you plan for the snakes will not take place.</I></B>
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<li>Snakes do sometimes exhibit mate preference. This is sometimes tough to figure out unless you have a number of specimens to choose from and can play 'musical mates'.<br>

<li>Just because you have a particular match in mind doesn't mean the participants or circumstances will be agreeable. It is quite possible that the female will not be receptive while the male is. Then when the female becomes receptive, the male gets opaque and may not have an interest in mating. Then by the time the male sheds his skin, the female could become opaque. If you are serious about working with a particular species or cultivar, plan on getting at least 2 males and 2 females.
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<li><B><I>Every mating does not produce eggs.</I></B>
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<li>For whatever reason, a female can mate, sometimes with multiple males, and then not produce any eggs. All can be cycled through with the same conditions that all the rest of the successful matings went through, but something is missing in the equation.<br>
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<li><B><I>Every egg laid will not be fertile.</I></B>
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<li>This is a tough one to figure out. I have never been able to figure out exactly all of the variables going on to make every female produce 100 percent fertile eggs 100 percent of the time. You can expose the males and females to the same exact environmental conditions each year and sometimes a particular male will be the culprit in unsuccessful matings. The following year, every female he mates with produces all fertile eggs. On the other hand, some years a particular female will produce a majority of infertile eggs, although mated with a male that other females produce all fertile eggs after mating. The next year, with the same male, she will do fine.
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<li><B><I>Every fertile egg will not hatch successfully.</I></B>
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<li>As I am fond of saying, "Every hatching season has it's surprises. Mostly bad ones." Even discounting obvious errors in the methods someone may use to incubate snake eggs, obviously good eggs will sometimes fail. This can be as early as within a couple of weeks after the egg is laid, up to when the baby snake pokes his head out of the egg, takes a gasp of air, and then dies. This can be very frustrating since you are inclined to blame yourself. But any number of things can go wrong in the development of the embryo at any stage. After you have hatched enough eggs, you will see things hatch out that you will wonder how they ever made it that far without dying.
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<li><B><I>Every hatched baby will not survive.</I></B>
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<li>Nothing is more frustrating than having a baby snake just refuse to eat. After you have raised up the parents for a few years, done all of the voodoo necessary to get them to breed, and taken meticulous care at incubating the eggs to get a successful hatching, one of your 'pride and joys' is trying to starve himself to death. And, yes, a snake will starve itself to death. This is when you discover the joy of splitting the heads of pinky mice with a razor, or cutting off tails and legs of mice to shove down a snake's unwilling throat, or capturing lizards to rub things YOU want the snake to eat against them to scent it. This is the true test of your patience.<br><br>

<li>As a general rule of thumb, plan on the prettiest animal in the clutch to be the biggest pain to get feeding.

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<li><B><I>Every hatched snake will not be of the sex you want it to be.</I></B>
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<li>It is not unusual to get a clutch of snakes that is either very heavily weighted with one sex or even 100 percent one sex. There is nothing you can do about it, so yell and cuss all your want for 10 or 15 minutes and then get on with your life.
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<li><B><I>Every snake you sex will not be done correctly.</I></B>
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<li>Your pencils DO have erasers on them, don't they? Remember how mad you got when you found out that your supplier had mis-sexed the snakes you got? My word of advice: Don't sex more than 25 snakes at a sitting. Trust me on this.
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<li><B><I>The snakes that were so much in demand when you bought yours may not stay in demand.</I></B>
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<li>Remember all of those people at the reptile shows? They all had the same idea you did. Buy a few snakes, raise them up, breed them, then sell the babies. Well, guess what? If they were all successful, there are now a LOT of those snakes out there for sale. And there is probably someone else with the same ones you have that is willing to sell them much cheaper than you want to.
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<li><B><I>The fertility of your animals will be inversely proportional to the value of the offspring.</I></B>
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<li>The more those babies will be worth directly controls how fertile the parents are that your are breeding. A direct reversal of the usual cause and effect phenomenon we normally see, and a direct contradiction of the physical universe. It sometimes helps if you don't KNOW they are valuable, so ignorance can be somewhat of a shield.
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<p>This is not meant to discourage anyone, but is to give you an idea of what it took to get that correctly sexed pair of snakes sitting in deli cups at a reptile show to the point where they are available for you to buy. It all looks so easy from the other side of the table, doesn't it? You want to know how to tell the breeders that have been in this the longest? Look for prematurely graying hair or rapidly thinning hair. These are sure signs.
 
Old 05-10-2005, 09:09 AM   #2
ldydrgn
HA! So very, very true. Well written, WebSlave!
 
Old 05-10-2005, 04:47 PM   #3
DragonCharm
Very true. I remember we had one dragon hatch out that was nearly snow white, if you'd seen its siblings and parents you'd understand our surprise. It was my g/f's absolute favorite of the clutch, a true act of luck. Well coincidentally of all of the dragons in the clutch (over 20) it was the one that got bit in the side by another dragon or a cricket and later died. Whatever bit him got right through the skin layers and put a hole in him. When he got nervous and "puffed up" the air he sucked in when right out the whole making a weird weezing sound. That was a real sad week.
 
Old 05-10-2005, 09:37 PM   #4
PaulSage
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Originally Posted by DragonCharm
Very true. I remember we had one dragon hatch out that was nearly snow white, if you'd seen its siblings and parents you'd understand our surprise. It was my g/f's absolute favorite of the clutch, a true act of luck. Well coincidentally of all of the dragons in the clutch (over 20) it was the one that got bit in the side by another dragon or a cricket and later died. Whatever bit him got right through the skin layers and put a hole in him. When he got nervous and "puffed up" the air he sucked in when right out the whole making a weird weezing sound. That was a real sad week.
Whoa, that'd really be disappointing... to have an awesome animal hatch out and then die for some random and unpredictable reason.

I had a female ball that I found at a local pet store (now forgive me, but I'm not that great with bp morphs) who looked like a normal but her sides were a bright rosy red color. I had her for about three months and then one day she pooped out her entire digestive tract and died. NO idea... but go figure, eh?
 
Old 05-10-2005, 10:19 PM   #5
Karen Hulvey
Man you're so right in that post. Last year was my first year to actually produce babies! 6 bb KSBs. My only adult male KSB got loose and the cat killed & ate most of it so I won't be breeding KSBs this year.

A lot of that also pertains to breeding birds which I have done for the past 10 years. When someone sells you a proven pair of anything that should mean a M&F, right? But it really just means two birds. I've bought so many guaranteed proven pairs that turned out to be 2 males or 2 females that now when someone says PP I consider it two birds.

Birds still have to be DNA sexed or surgically sexed so it's not so easy. I bought a proven pair of Timneh African Greys two weeks ago. I just got the DNA results back today and guess what?? TWO FEMALES!

Now my bad luck is spilling over into the snakes. So far this year I've bought 4 guaranteed female ATBs at shows. Guess how many turned out to be female? Exactly 1. I've learned how to probe a snake which should help me in the future.
 
Old 05-10-2005, 10:40 PM   #6
WebSlave
Yeah, but wait until you sex your own snakes and have then *change* sex on you. Yeah, I know, you think I am kidding........
 
Old 05-10-2005, 10:53 PM   #7
Karen Hulvey
Now it's my turn to whine and cry. Dang it. You just burst my friggin' bubble. I thought I had it all figured out. Now back to square one!
 
Old 05-10-2005, 11:53 PM   #8
PaulSage
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Originally Posted by Karen Hulvey
A lot of that also pertains to breeding birds which I have done for the past 10 years. When someone sells you a proven pair of anything that should mean a M&F, right? But it really just means two birds. I've bought so many guaranteed proven pairs that turned out to be 2 males or 2 females that now when someone says PP I consider it two birds.

Birds still have to be DNA sexed or surgically sexed so it's not so easy. I bought a proven pair of Timneh African Greys two weeks ago. I just got the DNA results back today and guess what?? TWO FEMALES!
That's why you should breed Eclectus Parrots. It's pretty hard to mess them up! lol They're great talkers and handlers like greys too. What did the timmy seller say when/if you told them that they were both female? That'd be a good one for the avian BOI. Until you get good enough to visually sex canaries, those can really tick you off too since males cost about four times what females do.

Last year a guy had advertised an albino okeetee corn in the local paper. I called him because I was actually looking for a female albino okeetee. He emailed me a picture and said he was sure it was a male. It was an awesome looking snake, better than my male, so I bought it anyway. I got it home and guess what... it WAS a female. I think that's the only instance when mis-sexing has worked in my favor... most of the time it's the other way around. What's worse is when you do it to yourself, like pair up two female snow corns and wonder why the heck there are so many eggs and they're all infertile!! duh...
 

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